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Oct 18, 2024, 20:0510/18/24
12/19/19
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MooredRat

Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a magical faery tale world where it would be possible to test if something was working before rolling it out onto the live servers?

I agree with you 100% but it's not the end of the world if it takes a few patches to get it right.  Same with the loophole that allowed a few to still use wixwell teams on day 1. Is one clash ranking that big of a deal?

Fixing hydra was absolutely necessary, basically this is a reboot imo. I'm excited about hydra for the 1st time in a year... I'm obviously the outer here, I'm of course right still 😀 but an outlier nonetheless. 


Oct 18, 2024, 20:2010/18/24
Oct 20, 2024, 17:24(edited)
01/31/20
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Trips

I agree with you 100% but it's not the end of the world if it takes a few patches to get it right.  Same with the loophole that allowed a few to still use wixwell teams on day 1. Is one clash ranking that big of a deal?

Fixing hydra was absolutely necessary, basically this is a reboot imo. I'm excited about hydra for the 1st time in a year... I'm obviously the outer here, I'm of course right still 😀 but an outlier nonetheless. 


I was excited about the Hydra changes, but running all those keys on manual against all those effing heads with simultaneous Serpent's Will buffs is flat out awful.  I really wish I had been wrong about.  

I used to consider Hydra to be fun, and did not mind runnign the fights on manual.  Not so much anymore.  

Now, I may end up just throwing the keys on auto.

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Oct 18, 2024, 21:4710/18/24
02/24/19
7975
Trips

I agree with you 100% but it's not the end of the world if it takes a few patches to get it right.  Same with the loophole that allowed a few to still use wixwell teams on day 1. Is one clash ranking that big of a deal?

Fixing hydra was absolutely necessary, basically this is a reboot imo. I'm excited about hydra for the 1st time in a year... I'm obviously the outer here, I'm of course right still 😀 but an outlier nonetheless. 


I think you're completely correct, outlier or not.

Oct 18, 2024, 23:3610/18/24
12/16/21
1225

I'm 100% behind nerfing *fixing* Trunda and capping infiinite shields.

I think there were better ways to do it, but so be it.


My objections are entirely about A) how the other changes have made it significantly harder for mid-level accounts who were struggling to get chests as it was,

and B) the various bugs and fails which went along with pushing the update live, which certainly *appear* to be almost entirely due to a lack of testing.

Oct 18, 2024, 23:4010/18/24
12/16/21
1225

FWIW, Bronko posted a vid a couple hours ago of a Trunda team doing 1.8 billion

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Oct 18, 2024, 23:5110/18/24
06/24/19
2448
MooredRat

FWIW, Bronko posted a vid a couple hours ago of a Trunda team doing 1.8 billion

Seen some screens of nearly 4B from Fyna + Trunda team.  

Oct 19, 2024, 06:1310/19/24
01/31/20
1005
MooredRat

FWIW, Bronko posted a vid a couple hours ago of a Trunda team doing 1.8 billion

Color me not surprised. 

Oct 19, 2024, 06:1410/19/24
01/31/20
1005
ShortOnSkillz

Seen some screens of nearly 4B from Fyna + Trunda team.  

Again, Not surprised.  

Oct 19, 2024, 06:1810/19/24
01/31/20
1005
MooredRat

I'm 100% behind nerfing *fixing* Trunda and capping infiinite shields.

I think there were better ways to do it, but so be it.


My objections are entirely about A) how the other changes have made it significantly harder for mid-level accounts who were struggling to get chests as it was,

and B) the various bugs and fails which went along with pushing the update live, which certainly *appear* to be almost entirely due to a lack of testing.

Exactly

Oct 19, 2024, 06:1910/19/24
Oct 19, 2024, 06:22(edited)
12/31/21
2
MooredRat

Before you go, could you give us some examples? What was your trunda doing before the nerf and what is she doing now?

Trying to set up a baseline between what the devs say they "expected" and how it turns out for actual players

Well, before this absurd nerf i usually was on 700-750M with the first key...now i'm barely at 300M. Manual, same team. Nekmo (aura), Trunda, Arbiter, Lydia, Shamael, Artak. That's why, after 3 years, i'm leaving the game.

Oct 19, 2024, 07:4210/19/24
Oct 19, 2024, 07:53(edited)
12/05/22
42

First impressions:

Regular team (no Trunda, no Wixwell, no Yumeko), same rotation (2). My third team on Normal: from 7M average to 1-2M average. Less 30% of the damage on average after several (around 7) runs on auto.

Less than 30% of the damage

Thanks for ruining my game experience (hydra was my main goal in the game), this has made me regress approximately one year.


Oct 19, 2024, 17:1910/19/24
01/21/22
50

Normal team (just some "strong DD" with Ankora to get dead ones back) from 500-600m down to 150m

Brutal team: 100-120m down to 60m

NM team: former Emic taunt team with 200-220m (yeah nothing special) totally destroyed and now trying since x runs to get any decent comp. Team usually wipes/fails at 40-50m. Just one try close to 60m ...


That Hydra "fixing" was a total nobrain idea only hurting the majority of the players. There were only 3-4 "broken" champs that allowed for those insane high scores and yet instead of fixing them they messed up Hydra. Now its back to same state as before they made it playable ... a real bad waste of time in a game that already wants way to much time.

Oct 20, 2024, 19:0310/20/24
01/31/20
1005

For anyone interested, here is a Skratch vid showcasing how/why Trunda is still the OP GOAT against Hydra and Trunda comps can still do 4X-5X more than any other team comps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfp8WwKHfnQ


Oct 20, 2024, 22:1210/20/24
Oct 20, 2024, 22:13(edited)
07/01/22
423
WileyMan

For anyone interested, here is a Skratch vid showcasing how/why Trunda is still the OP GOAT against Hydra and Trunda comps can still do 4X-5X more than any other team comps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfp8WwKHfnQ


Yes but again, those Trundas all have 6 star souls that are doing the multi-billions.

Skratch said he could do it with his 4 star soul but in the end his damage with TWO Nias and Yumeko was still only 120 Million on Hard.

Oct 21, 2024, 01:5310/21/24
01/31/20
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Onikage55

Yes but again, those Trundas all have 6 star souls that are doing the multi-billions.

Skratch said he could do it with his 4 star soul but in the end his damage with TWO Nias and Yumeko was still only 120 Million on Hard.

Did you actually watch the video? 

He did 129M in a 5 min demo that took about 20 boss turns and then closed the fight. 

He compared world record teams at the beginning with the very top team results since the change and the big trunda teams are still doing 4X what anyone else can do against a bad rotation for Magic Toons.

Since the stated goal was to achieve parity, Plarium has more work to do on Trunda.  

Oct 21, 2024, 03:2110/21/24
Oct 21, 2024, 05:16(edited)
07/01/22
423
WileyMan

Did you actually watch the video? 

He did 129M in a 5 min demo that took about 20 boss turns and then closed the fight. 

He compared world record teams at the beginning with the very top team results since the change and the big trunda teams are still doing 4X what anyone else can do against a bad rotation for Magic Toons.

Since the stated goal was to achieve parity, Plarium has more work to do on Trunda.  

I watched the first 10 minutes showing all the screenshots then mouseover'd the timeline and saw his final score. Yes I see now it's a very short run of only 20 turns. I get the logic of saying it's pacing with records but the first 20 boss turns is not a good indicator of the fight, everything he did proc'd lucky with affinity and masteries. I can make a video showing 8 Million on Boss Turn 1 with non-trunda teams, can I then fairly say I'll have 16 Billion at the end of the fight? Obviously not because RNG throughout the fight for procs and what heads respawn can widely affect the run.

Lastly, I'm not sure you want to rely on this video too much. At 8 Minutes in he also said that Yumeko and even Double Yumeko aren't a real problem, that it all lies with Trunda. You have been saying Yumeko needs a nerf too, but your referenced video goes against that.

Oct 23, 2024, 03:2610/23/24
01/31/20
1005
Onikage55

I watched the first 10 minutes showing all the screenshots then mouseover'd the timeline and saw his final score. Yes I see now it's a very short run of only 20 turns. I get the logic of saying it's pacing with records but the first 20 boss turns is not a good indicator of the fight, everything he did proc'd lucky with affinity and masteries. I can make a video showing 8 Million on Boss Turn 1 with non-trunda teams, can I then fairly say I'll have 16 Billion at the end of the fight? Obviously not because RNG throughout the fight for procs and what heads respawn can widely affect the run.

Lastly, I'm not sure you want to rely on this video too much. At 8 Minutes in he also said that Yumeko and even Double Yumeko aren't a real problem, that it all lies with Trunda. You have been saying Yumeko needs a nerf too, but your referenced video goes against that.

Wow. As I said before, you definitely like to argue just to argue, especially when it comes to defending your precious Trunda in Hydra.  

Oct 23, 2024, 05:2610/23/24
07/01/22
423
WileyMan

Wow. As I said before, you definitely like to argue just to argue, especially when it comes to defending your precious Trunda in Hydra.  

I'm not arguing, I'm pointing out facts. 20 Boss Turns isn't a good indicator of the whole run, you have a problem with Yumeko but the video you're using for your point states Yumeko isn't a problem. This seems to be getting off topic so I'll just stop and I'd ask in the future you respond to points instead of being snarky and calling others argumentative. Don't post Evidence if you don't want it examined. That's all.

Oct 23, 2024, 16:0710/23/24
05/28/21
90

My suggestion to fix Serpant's will, make it so it is never on more than two heads at any given time

Oct 23, 2024, 16:3710/23/24
12/19/19
6460
Trekie

My suggestion to fix Serpant's will, make it so it is never on more than two heads at any given time

I'd settle for 3, but 2 would be better :)  I think every other is fair.