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Oct 9, 2024, 20:0310/09/24
Oct 9, 2024, 20:15(edited)
01/31/20
930
Onikage55

Here's something I need clarification on and I don't think it needs its own thread:

If 2 Heads regrow simultaneously, only one has the 100% Serpent Will Damage REduction.

Ok, what happens if 3 or 4 regrow at once? Will only one have the buff or will they all have it except one? So 3 regrow = 2 buffs 1 without and 4 regrow = 3 buffs and 1 without?

Related question:  what if one head respawns, I get one turn, and then another head respawns, I get one turn and then a third respwans.  That is not the same as respawning simultaneously.  Will all three heads have the buff or only the first to respawn?

If only the first, then that is a spot where damage will potentially go up for end game comps.

Oct 9, 2024, 20:0410/09/24
12/19/19
6373

So i think if all 4 are dead. 2 will come back, 1 without.  The next 2 will come back 1 at a time buffed

No facts to support my conjecture



Oct 9, 2024, 20:0610/09/24
12/19/19
6373
WileyMan

Related question:  what if one head respawns, I get one turn, and then another head respawns, I get one turn and then a third respwans.  That is not the same as respawning simultaneously.  Will all three heads have the buff or only the first to respawn?

If only the first, then that is a spot where damage will potentially go up for end game comps.

I'm hoping it is like this and it means only 1 can have the respawn buff at a time.


Oct 9, 2024, 21:3310/09/24
07/01/22
370
Trips

Only 2 ever regrow simultaneously 

Ok this might be where my confusion is. The video said that the heads re-grow once their HP is fully depleted. Is it TWO different conditions for regrowth now? 2 Turns or Full HP Depletion...

Also if they do respawn when the Decap's HP is depleted, then 3 could have their HP depleted simultaneously by a strong enough AOE...

So if you bring 3 Decap's to Zero HP, two respawn together and then the 3rd respawns immediately after?

Oct 9, 2024, 21:3810/09/24
07/01/22
370
WileyMan

Related question:  what if one head respawns, I get one turn, and then another head respawns, I get one turn and then a third respwans.  That is not the same as respawning simultaneously.  Will all three heads have the buff or only the first to respawn?

If only the first, then that is a spot where damage will potentially go up for end game comps.

what scares me is they said one doesn't get the buff when 2 simulatenously respawn, so your scenario sounds like each head respawns with the buff and all heads take 0 dmg for a full turn...

Oct 9, 2024, 21:4010/09/24
12/19/19
6373
Onikage55

Ok this might be where my confusion is. The video said that the heads re-grow once their HP is fully depleted. Is it TWO different conditions for regrowth now? 2 Turns or Full HP Depletion...

Also if they do respawn when the Decap's HP is depleted, then 3 could have their HP depleted simultaneously by a strong enough AOE...

So if you bring 3 Decap's to Zero HP, two respawn together and then the 3rd respawns immediately after?

I was thinking it only applied to the scenario when all 4 were decapped.  Didn't consider the hp depletion lol. No idea.... 

Oct 9, 2024, 22:0010/09/24
Oct 9, 2024, 22:03(edited)
07/01/22
370
Trips

I was thinking it only applied to the scenario when all 4 were decapped.  Didn't consider the hp depletion lol. No idea.... 

see this is where I might not have understood. From what the video explained, it sounded like the heads *only* regrow once the decap head's hp is depleted. And the Decap HP is 2x Original Head HP. 

But I could be wrong, it might be a "whichever comes first" situation. 2 turns pass OR HP is fully depleted

I guess I'll find out after work lol

Oct 9, 2024, 22:2910/09/24
04/18/20
61

So they nerf all the fusion champs (Wixwell, emric, shyak) and significantly buffed Trunda with debuff ability for natures wrath. .....

Oct 10, 2024, 03:0510/10/24
01/31/20
930
Onikage55

see this is where I might not have understood. From what the video explained, it sounded like the heads *only* regrow once the decap head's hp is depleted. And the Decap HP is 2x Original Head HP. 

But I could be wrong, it might be a "whichever comes first" situation. 2 turns pass OR HP is fully depleted

I guess I'll find out after work lol

I definitely think that the heads will respawn whenever either of the two conditions is met. They are not gonna leave a head decapitated longer than 2 turns just because a team can't deplete the HP pool fast enough.

Oct 10, 2024, 03:5010/10/24
12/16/21
1085
Wild amazonian

So they nerf all the fusion champs (Wixwell, emric, shyak) and significantly buffed Trunda with debuff ability for natures wrath. .....

I wouldn't say Trunda got a buff by any stretch, Taking away her double crit multiplied splash damage is about 90% of her total damage output, assuming ~300 crit dam

Oct 10, 2024, 04:0710/10/24
07/01/22
370
MooredRat

I wouldn't say Trunda got a buff by any stretch, Taking away her double crit multiplied splash damage is about 90% of her total damage output, assuming ~300 crit dam

Yeah don't get me wrong, she's viable in Hydra still and actually is more deadly in Arena now (potentially) plus her A3 can place HP Burns on Hydra which is at least something.

But Clash is gonna be interesting this week, I didn't expect the Taunt changes... at least Yumeko was left alone

Oct 10, 2024, 04:2810/10/24
05/03/20
1851
WileyMan

Are there further changes to the AI?  I must've missed that.  I actually considered more AI improvements to be a missed opportunity.

All I saw concerning AI in the video was a comment about the AI targetting a head that devoured a toon. That change is already active from a couple of weeks ago.

AI and Red Dot and I still cant get all my champs to always focus a devoured head.  Most of my damage came from targeting devoured heads.  

Does this mean I might have to actually learn about Hydra and how to build teams for it?  

Oct 10, 2024, 04:2810/10/24
09/11/22
25

I will miss my Wixwell team, they gutted him, lit him on fire, and then ran him over with a truck to make sure he stays dead.

Oct 10, 2024, 04:3710/10/24
07/01/22
370
ClosedPoly

AI and Red Dot and I still cant get all my champs to always focus a devoured head.  Most of my damage came from targeting devoured heads.  

Does this mean I might have to actually learn about Hydra and how to build teams for it?  

Unfortunately yes lol

Oct 10, 2024, 05:0310/10/24
12/16/21
1085
Onikage55

Yeah don't get me wrong, she's viable in Hydra still and actually is more deadly in Arena now (potentially) plus her A3 can place HP Burns on Hydra which is at least something.

But Clash is gonna be interesting this week, I didn't expect the Taunt changes... at least Yumeko was left alone

Yeah, she'll just do 10 billion now instead of 100 billion

Oct 10, 2024, 05:1210/10/24
01/31/20
930
Onikage55

Yeah don't get me wrong, she's viable in Hydra still and actually is more deadly in Arena now (potentially) plus her A3 can place HP Burns on Hydra which is at least something.

But Clash is gonna be interesting this week, I didn't expect the Taunt changes... at least Yumeko was left alone

Ah, you must have a Yumeko.  Is that why you seem to not understand that Yumeko is totally broken for Hydra?  Yumeko should have been part of the Hydra Rebalance.  😂  

Oct 10, 2024, 05:1410/10/24
09/11/22
25

One thing that probably will be frustrating is when a head respawns with 100% damage reduction and the devours a champion, you can't break your champion free until the buff wears off. Definitely not looking forward to dealing with that.

Oct 10, 2024, 05:1510/10/24
01/31/20
930
MooredRat

I wouldn't say Trunda got a buff by any stretch, Taking away her double crit multiplied splash damage is about 90% of her total damage output, assuming ~300 crit dam

Trunda totally got a buff.  She will once again be a top tier Arena Nuker, and she will become an effective AoE Burner.  Saph did a video today that showcased exactly how he thinks Trunda will continue to outperform every other dmg toon in Hydra.  

Of course, we won't actually know until next week....

Oct 10, 2024, 05:1710/10/24
07/08/19
987
Kyndig3000

One thing that probably will be frustrating is when a head respawns with 100% damage reduction and the devours a champion, you can't break your champion free until the buff wears off. Definitely not looking forward to dealing with that.

the buff wears off after 1 turn and the head can't devour until it gets a turn, so that won't be an issue.

Oct 10, 2024, 05:1810/10/24
12/16/21
1085
WileyMan

Trunda totally got a buff.  She will once again be a top tier Arena Nuker, and she will become an effective AoE Burner.  Saph did a video today that showcased exactly how he thinks Trunda will continue to outperform every other dmg toon in Hydra.  

Of course, we won't actually know until next week....

But she needs accuracy to place debuffs, and if she does she doesn't get her 2nd hit.

It's an either/or situation