UaintNoNinja said:

when are we going to see some stuff about levels 101-125 on here and did any one else notice it seems like it takes less power to kill 100s now? or is it just me.. i'd like to see some screen shots of max payouts 101-125 or if anyone knows.. and is the 30,000 interceptor payout i saw on facebook only on facebook or do we get them too?

I haven't noticed a significant change in the amount of power in infests, but I don't do them that often so if somebody wants to post screenshots I'll analyze them and post my results. 

UaintNoNinja said:

when are we going to see some stuff about levels 101-125 on here and did any one else notice it seems like it takes less power to kill 100s now? or is it just me.. i'd like to see some screen shots of max payouts 101-125 or if anyone knows.. and is the 30,000 interceptor payout i saw on facebook only on facebook or do we get them too?

If you look for screens, i posted lvl 101 - 125 in this topic: http://forum.plarium.com/en/total-domination/news-and-announcements/topics/brand-new-level-up-infestations-and-microrobotic-drill-technology-redesign/

It looks like there may have been a slight change to lower level infests, will need to see some full payouts from low, mid, and high levels (most of mania's ones were partial payouts) to figure out exactly how they were changed. 

@BBH - TipOfSword (26 February, 2016, 7:27 PM UTC):
There is no way to have 112 Infestations on your radar; Are you referring to TD:R? (If yes, there is a separate forum for TD:R with a link in this forum)

First i start with a copy of info from a infests page on FB and on the wiki. These contains interesting facts and figures.

Introduction
•    The infestations work based on a total resources figure Urainium + Titanium + Credits once that total figure is reached the site will payout, no matter how much of each resources is in it doesn't effect what gets paid back it is just based on the total only.
•    So based on that to get the fastest return you need to build the units that cost the most to build in the shortest time i call this loading as you are loading the resources into the infestations to reach that total figure in the shortest time possible before you finally break the site. You can't determine what you will win but if it is not a unit that you desire then simply invest the resources needed for another level and cap to get another win.
•    You can't loose resources but you can loose total power based on the units you win as some are more expensive than others, if you win air you will notice a decrease in power if you win artilley you will notice an increase in power. You can also get resources stuck in the infestations this happens when you have overloaded the site and that level can only pay so much back don't worry about this you can pull this resources back out again on the next infestation win.
•    How would you know what resources are in there??? Well you can either track via a spreadsheet or what i do is note how much my army is in resources when you start, when you win add up your total resources again what ever the difference is is whats left in the site.
 
Loading Phase
•    Ok so like i said earlier you need to load the most resources in the shortest time possible the best offense build combo is-
The best Offense combo is- Nemesis, Thunderbolts, Disintergrators, Exterminators Total resources every 24 hours = 589k per 24 hours
 
The best defense combo is- Combat Chassis, Vipers, Quantum Cannons and Excal's = 526k per 24 hours
 
The best all round combination for maximum resources per 24 hours and balancing the resources is-Nemesis, Thunderbolts, Quantum Cannons and Excal's = 608k per 24 hours
 
The best all round combination using elite's-
Nemesis, Thunderbolts, Quantum Cannons, Elite Disintergrator, Excal, Elite Exterminators = 912k/344 crystals per 24 hours

Basic 24 hour production values pre node and artifacts;
Infantry
Dog = 82k
Glad = 55k
CC = 93k
Trooper = 144k
Valk = 80k
Nemesis = 156k
 
Armour
Mongoose = 110k
Viper = 118k
light tank = 77k
Siege tank = 84k
Thunderbolt = 129k
 
Artillery
Gauss gun = 120k
Quantum Cannon = 123k
Plasma Cannon = 104k
Disintergrator = 112k
 
Air
Interceptor = 121k
Fighter = 126k
Battlecruiser = 138k
Exterminator = 192k
Excal = 200k
 
(Adding double - 10% air construction, double -5% disintergrator construction artifacts, relevant node upgrades for the build you wish to do will maximise what you can make in resources per 24 hours)
 
     •    You can load for what ever time you wish if a site needs for example 30 million resources to pay and you load for 10 days = 10 million resources simply make the difference up with your army to win back the 10 million investment if you dont wish to use your army then load of the time needed for that site to pay out on this occasion 30 million resources would mean 30 days loading before you break the site.

Breaking and winning from infestations
•    Offense infestations- To know how much it will take to break an infestation i use one type of unit sending waves of 20,000 points once the site changes from Red > Orange bar it equals 10% killed on that site so add up the units killed to reach Orange X 10 and deduct what you sent from that figure this will tell you what you need to send to kill the other 90% using one type of unit though.
•    Nemesis = 190
•    Thunderbolts= 40
•    Plasma Cannons= 20
•    Disintergrators= 15
•    Fighters= 10
•    Battlecruisers= 9
•    Defensive infestations- Because you get to see what is in the site there is a much simpler method you send 10 of the same defensive units what ever it kills you deduct what you killed from the total figure then divide what you killed by the figure you are left with then X 10 that will give you the total figure needed to kill the site.
•    The best way to know how much to invest on an infestation is to find a recent report that someone has posted add together the resources paid out this is the figure needed to win off that infestation i do think there is a range but as long as the figure you find off the report is reached you know you will win. Each time we win if we post in this page we will find out the amounts needed for each level i have started this already but i only have the higher levels look in forums if you need to find out your sites amount if it cannot be found in this page.
•    Non mission sites will pay all resources back where as mission sites only pay part of the invested resources back so i use the mission sites to load the resources then break the non mission i wish to win off once all resources are paid you will be in the minus by 50% of that wins total resources so say if the win equaled 50 million resources your Rbonus (infest bank) will be -25 million you must be in positive to win so going for a site that pays less than 25 million after winning off a site that paid 50 million means you will blank.

Spending nodes
 
•    Based on what we have learnt i would personally use the nodes on;
•    Exterminator or excal
•    Disintergrator or qc
•    Credit Cost
•    Thunderbolts
•    Nemesis
Any units that can be won from the infestations in my opinion are a waste of time reducing the build time accept the ones i listed units that can't be won you may wish to upgrade thats personal preferance i.e i like valks as my infantry and on infestations you rarely ever get a valk payout as you get higher up.
 
Collected Data
 
These are the total resource amounts of the data collected so far myself or Rob Grange will update as we find out more;
•    Level 7 = 36,800
•    Level 8 = 48,454
•    Level 17 = 193,816
•    Level 20 = 803,537
•    Level 23 = 1,102,000
•    Level 25 = 1,302,336
•    Level 26 = 1,454,000
•    Level 27 = 1,776,500
•    Level 29 = 2,427,338
•    Level 30 = 2,714,085
•    Level 31 = 1,909,845 - 3,470,300
•    Level 33 = 3,129,996
•    Level 34 = 4,078,536
•    Level 35 = 2,726,731
•    Level 36 = 3,241,296 - 5,018,937
•    Level 37 = 3,927,844
•    Level 39 = 6,207,500
•    Level 40 = 6,554,650
•    Level 41 = 3,982,203 - 8,331,000
•    Level 42 = 6,872,730 - 7,011,000
•    Level 43 = 6,160,562 - 7,660,326
•    Level 44 = 8,742,500
•    Level 45 = 9,065,500 - 11,654,600
•    Level 46 = 7,911,170 - 10,543,880
•    Level 47 = 10,271,180 - 11,213,650
•    Level 48 = 9,831,500
•    Level 49 = 11,476,000
•    Level 50 = 12,962,040 - 13,678,580
•    Level 51 = 14,517,646
•    Level 52 = 10,000,500
•    Level 53 = 13,196,120
•    Level 54 = 14,317,276 - 17,406,975
•    Level 56 = 17,412,361 - 19,978,630
•    Level 57 = 18,233,619 - 20,823,316
•    Level 58 = 19,053,500 - 22,192,497
•    Level 59 = 21,507,500 - 22,720,500
•    Level 60 = 24,979,413 - 25,358,570
•    Level 61 = 22,819,000 - 26,582,087
•    Level 62 = 23,447,909 - 28,252,500
•    Level 63 = 26,407,000
•    Level 64 = 28,768,245 - 30,842,792
•    Level 65 = 19,109,900 - 31,426,820
•    Level 66 = 29,659,000 - 39,052,600
•    Level 67 = 33,760,500 - 35,479,160
•    Level 68 = 32,648,000 - 36,844,333
•    Level 69 = 33,453,600 - 38,818,662
•    Level 70 = 34,928,120 - 39,728,984
•    Level 71 = 35,661,597 - 49,744,800
•    Level 72 = 42,344,510 - 44,747,372
•    Level 73 = 40,907,000 - 48,285,000
•    Level 75 = 44,563,891 - 50,180,559
•    Level 76 = 35,785,000 - 42,984,000
•    Level 77 = 54,208,429
•    Level 78 = 56,179,950 - 57,699,426
•    Level 79 = 60,587,085
•    Level 80 = 54,245,000
•    Level 81 = 57,645,370 - 65,369,300
•    Level 82 = 59,869,000 - 60,325,000
•    Level 83 = 61,940,000 - 79,696,200
•    Level 85 = 75,572,199
•    Level 86 = 76,021,201 - 81,644,520
•    Level 87 = 83,925,000
•    Level 89 = 85,431,720 - 88,063,000
•    Level 90 = 84,621,391 - 88,890,580
•    Level 91 = 93,970,318
•    Level 93 = 102,795,000
•    Level 94 = 100,619,000 - 104,488,208
•    Level 95 = 95,016,664 - 108,493,670
•    Level 96 = 99,512,470
•    Level 97 = 100,111,410
•    Level 98 = 105,963,000
•    Level 99 = 122,404,634
•    Level 100 = 111,777,000 - 148,913,800

Mania (copied from FB and wiki)

Saad Malik said:

Saad Malik said:

Maniakaal said:

I always count my last reward value in resources and multiply that by 12% to get the new amount of resources for a new reward.

 

 

Besides multiplying the reward value with 12% and pushing that much resources in the infest bank for next reward, how many sites are needed to break before breaking the final one to get the reward?

I am still waiting for the reply :/

I don't kill them, i try to bank with making multiple infest to 1 line

and then kill one

Prince Orcus DiVargo said:

Maniakaal said:

I always count my last reward value in resources and multiply that by 12% to get the new amount of resources for a new reward.

 

 

Has that worked across multiple payouts?

Not always, but it's a good guideline. There are many ways to play the infests. Also differences between tasks (the highest level) and non-task.

Only can't do much now on infest, my last pay out was worth 128 miljon of resources, so a lot to bank now

I always count my last reward value in resources and multiply that by 12% to get the new amount of resources for a new reward.

harrys said:

Hi Guys. I´m Harry from germany, so sorry for my bad englich :-)
i need some help from you please.

As i tried your recommendation to do invests, i decide to start a new sector all over. I take this excel liste an reset it to zero values.

1. i send one soldier to a level 1 invest (no killes on my side) and got a receive from 2 soldiers (strange, because the bank should be empty)

2. i send 6 times 1 soldier to a level 2 invest (all killed) an finally 5 soldiers to destrio the invest, and i receive 10 soldiers and 2 Galdis.

3. i send 7 soldiers to a level 3 invest (6 killed) and i recieve 12 soldiers back

4. i send 11 soldiers to a level 4 invest (5 killed) and i recieve 13 valkys

5. i send 4 soldiers to a level 2 invest (3 killed) and i got a payout about 600 resis and one soldier.

 

so my questions are:

1. It is possible, that the bank become to a negative value?

2. If i got a payout (resis and troupes), shoul i reset the excel list to zero? means the bank i emtpy?

3. how can i found out the value of the bank, (if i start with my main sektor wich is lvl 65) to geht the propper excel list values?

One more question about the loading phase.

In the wikky i had read, that the bank will be loadet, if i build troupes.

If i watch the excel list, and fill in my destroid toupes, i realise, that the bank also will be loadet. That confused me.

Is there two ways to load the bank. Send troupes and let them kill and build troupes?

 

so far my questions.

Thanks

Harry

Having more than one game account is not allowed (it's against plarium's rules). 

The bank can go negative, but it seems to go back to 0 at server reset (so if you think it's negative just don't do any infests for a day or two).  Unless you have been keeping track of how much you've loaded in there's no way to know what your bank is at, the safest way is to assume your last payout took it down to 0 and start from there. 

The first few infests you do (level 10 and lower on the first 2-3 days after you start the game) are not representative, they give you far more than you have banked (this is to help new players get started). 

Troops built don't count towards the bank, only troops lost fighting infests count. 

Kamran said:

CK-Pimp Diggler said:

CK Black Mask said:

Well Said Rhylain .

I Completely agree .

Which is why I accounced on the Research time threat I'm not gonna spend money here anymore .

 

Now onto infests 

I have banked more than enough resources to the infest 

But I still havent gotten a proper payout , I keep getting small ones that

I'm on  level 82 fests that my highest but I do them just to kill my troops and make sure I have enough to kill one of my level 70's to flip my main payout . but its not working 

I hit a level 76 infest which was Supposed to pay me since a lvl 76 should only take 35-42 million res into my bank

http://prntscr.com/6x405t

that was what I had at the time

when I lost my troops at lvl 76 

I got no payout 

and this is how my bank is now

http://prntscr.com/6x407y

This Game is Cheating on me .

Now I'm STUCK 

Unless I go and pay 700 bucks for 140k of crystals so I can infirm my troops 

Oh well 

I don't spend here anymore

Point being . I've invested more than enough resources into the Infest Bank and i didn't get a pay and I want to know why ? . 

 

 

Same thing was happening to me and he claims nothing has changed when its obvious things have definitely changed then he has the nerve to ask for respect when he is clearly insulting our intelligence by acting like nothing is wrong and w e just need to clear our cache and remove our cookies...

 

If nothing is wrong then they should outline the infest process step by step so there is no confusion anymore.  Tell us EXACTLY how it works including all the numbers for bank and all of the criteria that needs to be met for a payout.  A little transparency goes a long way and may help you salvage whats left of this rapidly declining abomination of a game.

Well said.

@Genera W.

with all due respect that you deserve, genera. But please don't forget that you are supposed to command and guide us in this war which is mainly against Morgana and the Mutants, not among the commanders. But sadly, you never have given us any clear outline regarding Infestations, we keep on loosing our units every day in infestations while hoping for profit on units and becoming stronger to fight more bravely against mutants. The Moderators on this forum say something else, which we do exactly as told and happens something else in the game. and then they say "If you don't do it right, it does not mean that our method is not right". For God sake stop making it worse. All we need is a clear outline regarding the infestations explaining every outcome while doing infestation, because now it might be clear to all of you that moderators are not able to deliver what they have in their minds regarding infestations. If you can not provide it, you no longer deserve the respect which you ask as a General. Sorry, but I am not wrong. Thank you !!!

I never claimed that I had a foolproof method, I just collected some data and made recommendations on what I thought would be the best way to do infests.  Moderators aren't given any special information regarding infestations that other players don't have access to, I just make guesses based on my experience and the information I gather from friends/clanmates in order to help give other players some idea of how to go about doing the infests.  You're welcome to listen, or not, I don't really care either way. 

@Saad Malik

The second highest level infest just has the best chance of giving you a good payout, it isn't guaranteed.  I've found it works well if I go for the second highest and load it to about 80-90% of the banking value then kill it, I usually get back the full banking value so I make some profit. 

AlphaWolf said:

In case we were over banked and killed a site which payed back 80% of the invested resources, will we get back the rest 20% later some time? Or is the 20% lost?

It's usually lost, although if you only got 80% there might be a bit left, you usually seem to lose about 5% from an overbanked payout (of course if you do multiple overbanked payouts before you get everything right for a normal one it can add up). 

CK-Pimp Diggler said:

CK Black Mask said:

Yeah 

Very true 

Sadly I'm Stuck 

Still got bunch some lvl 30's that i want to get rid of which i will once i get my pay

and some lvl 40's and 50's and 60's and 70's and 2 80's  and couple of Imperial missions that i will never do 

Im gonna quickly build up for 

http://prntscr.com/6xdeb6 either the lvl 51 defence or 63 offence or 41 offence

If I get a good pay from my 41 it could almost be enough to kill my 51 then use that to kill one of my 60's and then use that to hit my main target

which now would be  lvl 77 or 78 

if that doesn't work I'm gonna just blow up in anger

I hope you are ready to blow up in anger LOL

Yeah, chaining payouts like that doesn't work well, each time you do an overloaded payout you lose a bit. 

CK Black Mask said:

Yeah 

Very true 

Sadly I'm Stuck 

Still got bunch some lvl 30's that i want to get rid of which i will once i get my pay

and some lvl 40's and 50's and 60's and 70's and 2 80's  and couple of Imperial missions that i will never do 

Im gonna quickly build up for 

http://prntscr.com/6xdeb6 either the lvl 51 defence or 63 offence or 41 offence

If I get a good pay from my 41 it could almost be enough to kill my 51 then use that to kill one of my 60's and then use that to hit my main target

which now would be  lvl 77 or 78 

if that doesn't work I'm gonna just blow up in anger

I hope you are ready to blow up in anger LOL

@Gallen Whalthey (18 September, 2015, 9:48 PM UTC):
Not sure how you're getting 921,000,000.

N is the level of the Infestation.

IE Level 100; 97.5*n^3.143 = 97.5*100^3.143 = 97.5*1,931,968.317 = 188,366,911

So you need to bank about 188,366,911 in order to get a 'normal' level 100 payout.

Edit 1:
^ means exponent, so n^2 means square, ^3 means cube, etc.

^3.143 means a little more than cubed. (It's usually found as an X with a smaller Y in the top right corner of the button)

BiohazarD said:

bcd109 said:

BiohazarD said:

bcd109 said:

Okay, so I think I follow this thread. Now, Biohazard, I have to ask you:

With the new infest system, you said in another thread that the payout threshold has been increased by 50%. Is that 50% higher than the 80-90% max resource loading value, or 50% higher than the full max loading value?

For instance, at level 100, the old system was:

Max Load: 148,913,800

80% Value: 119,131,040

90% Value: 134,022,420

So under the old system, you would try to trigger your level 100 site (or 95-100 site, if you got that random "no payout" reward), you would need to shoot for a bank of 119-134 million. Correct? (Although my records indicate payouts typically paid out between 110-128 million, so this should still result in a net loss).

Now, under the new system, are you saying this?

Max Load: 223,370,700

80% Value: 178,696,560

90% Value: 201,033,630

Assuming payouts are still the same, that would imply that I would have to make up the difference by hitting yellowed sites and get 68-73 million after I got my payout? Is this correct?

Yeah that's close.  It seems you have to load about 150% of the total bank value before you will get a payout (this is an approximation, sometimes it takes more, because there is some randomness built into the system).  So for a level 100 you'd need to load about 190 mil.  Then it will pay out 120-130 mil, and you get the rest from the yellow barred infests. 

Thank you, Biohazard.

So the new formula is:  97.5 * n ^ 3.143 , correct?

Do you have the formula for Soldiers/Sparta, by chance? (Since their infests go to level 125)

Yeah.  I haven't played those games much so I'm not sure, but if the payout value for a 125 is the same as a 100 here then it would probably be 97.5*n^2.998.  That's just a guess though, assuming they wanted the difficulty progression to be the same as you go up levels. 

Guys, I am confused about the formula numbers.  When I go through them for a level 100, I get numbers such as 921 million.  What am I doing wrong with the math? 97.5 * n ^ 3.143 is what I am trying to use.  I know n is the infest level, but what specifically is the ^?  Is it power taken to kill the infest, res taken to load it, or what?  I think therein lies my problem:)

Commander PLAAN70, the Infestation system is the same for plarium.com and Facebook servers, so you can freely apply the same scheme for your gameplay there 

plaan70 said:

Are the infestation rules different between Geotopia and Red Zero? Are these forums for Red Server?

For the last time i played on  geo and red they were the same infest rules.

This forum however is for the browser game on plarium server. Not for the facebook game. They have their own pages on FB.

So the General T Winters is editing my message without answering...

Always the same thing.

Wondering why the forum is really quite.. U get pretty much no answer from it... 

Okay thanks for the "advice" Rhylian and Bio.

So this game is just raiding 10 times a day some bots, waiting for a tournament... win exactly the same unit each time and so on...

Where are the surprises ? Good things ? 

Please give us the infestations win something to win back...!!!!