Maniakaal said:

harrys said:

Prince Orcus DiVargo said:

OK so here's what happened:

Bank at 8,527,822 and my peek infest is level 46. I've been working a level 45 infest down so that I get my payout. Sent 1 excal to do the job, cleared the infest but NO PAYOUT! (yes, Defence infest so I knew how much I needed to kill).

If that's relevant in anyway, I used 47 imperial disintegrators to load from 7.9 million to 8.4 million... would that make a difference? Based on experienced players' wisdom, it shouldn't make a difference.

Also, some suspected tweaks to the payout systems happened last week were tested by many players and most of us seemed to think you need more res loaded than your last payout to get paid... I was considerably more loaded here so it's strange.

 EDIT: FINALLY I got to join in with you guys and rant about the new infest system (which Plarium is conveniently denying)

 

Witch NEW INFEST SYSTEM do you mean?

There is NO new infest system

Regardless of what the devs say there certainly seems to have been a change, that much becomes obvious after doing just a few rounds of infests.  Maybe they did it on accident when they were trying to change something else, wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

Saad Malik said:

Saad Malik said:

Maniakaal said:

I always count my last reward value in resources and multiply that by 12% to get the new amount of resources for a new reward.

 

 

Besides multiplying the reward value with 12% and pushing that much resources in the infest bank for next reward, how many sites are needed to break before breaking the final one to get the reward?

I am still waiting for the reply :/

I don't kill them, i try to bank with making multiple infest to 1 line

and then kill one

So last night after killing ALL of my offense infest I waited until server reset for new one which appeared BUT they arent respawning after killing them.  Winters you are a bold faced liar if you tell me nothing has been changed.  I now have 85+ million in resources stuck that I cant get back because of your shitty infest system.

@jaicosta (25 May, 2015, 12:49 AM UTC):
You probably don't have enough resources banked...

It takes 111,777,000, according to the Wikipedia.

Even if you use only Exterminators, you still use 5,527,434.1 power, minimum.

The average level 100 takes a little over 3M power.

Found a more accurate method for determining bank value than the wiki.  value = 65.5*(level)^3.143 

So value for a level 100 is 126 mil.  And you want to load about 90% of the bank value when going for a payout (if you load the full value then there's no space to make a profit).

@Ekat (26 May, 2015, 6:53 PM UTC):
I'll assume you've read the first post, by Maniakaal...

If not, go read it first... It should help.

In the case that you have, but don't understand it;

1. You need to lose troops in order to get troops.
2. More expensive troops help you get more troops.
3. Troop cost can be added by adding its Uranium, Titanium, and Credit costs together.
4. Troops lost add its cost to the bank, which totals all resources.
5. If the bank reaches an applicable number when beating an Infestation, you may get a reward.
6. The reward (In resources) is subtracted from the bank.

Note: With a possible change, this post may become useless, along with all the posts in this thread.

fakeasnever said:

@Ekat (26 May, 2015, 6:53 PM UTC):
I'll assume you've read the first post, by Maniakaal...

If not, go read it first... It should help.

In the case that you have, but don't understand it;

1. You need to lose troops in order to get troops.
2. More expensive troops help you get more troops.
3. Troop cost can be added by adding its Uranium, Titanium, and Credit costs together.
4. Troops lost add its cost to the bank, which totals all resources.
5. If the bank reaches an applicable number when beating an Infestation, you may get a reward.
6. The reward (In resources) is subtracted from the bank.

Note: With a possible change, this post may become useless, along with all the posts in this thread.

If/when that happens, this thread will be deleted and a new one created. 

Goon NoodLes said:

if the infest system hasn't changed then how much total resources will I need for a lvl 54?

18.2 mil. 

question 

 1:lets say my last won was 1mil so my bank now is zero but i need to fill it back to get next payout .. how much is that ? i mean like is it 1mil x12% or 1milx3% ?

because here i saw some folks said 12% but in my clan friends advised me 3%

2: if i won next payout 2mil ... is that mean i need to fill it with 2mil x?% + (my previous payout 1milx?% ) or i just need to count current payout which is 2mil x?%

Goon NoodLes said:

cool ty bio.  now lol about a 12% per hike in resources for every lvl after that?

It's not a recursive function, the % change decreases as you go up levels.  The difference in bank value between a level 10 and 11 is about 35%, while the difference between a level 98 and a level 99 is about 3%. 

Here's a chart I made (it's for stormfall but the numbers work here too). 

http://mattsstuff.net/bgloading.html

Keep in mind that you want to load about 85-90% of the max banking value in order to have the best chance of getting a profitable payout. 

Question. How would I know If I will get a payout?  I did like 4 infest no payouts. Since this update came out is anyone getting good payout's? In this infest bank you guys are talking about what is it?

NUT Pred said:

Question. How would I know If I will get a payout?  I did like 4 infest no payouts. Since this update came out is anyone getting good payout's? In this infest bank you guys are talking about what is it?

You have to keep track of the resource value of troops you've lost since your last payout, that's your bank. I got a good payout 4 days ago, they haven't been good recently. 

Are elite and A forces the same in any way?

lochlan297 said:

Are elite and A forces the same in any way?

Yep, they have same resource value (although A mutants are more powerful and harder to get, so you're better off not trading them for regular troops in infests). 

@BiohazarD (31 May, 2015, 9:51 AM UTC):
Could it be that A-mutants include their Antigen cost as their only resource increase?

It would make sense... At most 200, for air it doesn't make a huge difference.

fakeasnever said:

@BiohazarD (31 May, 2015, 9:51 AM UTC):
Could it be that A-mutants include their Antigen cost as their only resource increase?

It would make sense... At most 200, for air it doesn't make a huge difference.

That's possible, it's a small enough difference that it would be difficult to notice, and I don't make it a habit of using all A units to load level 100 infests :P  I tested them once when I was on lower levels, they didn't yield any particularly impressive results, so I haven't tried again. 

Okay, so I think I follow this thread. Now, Biohazard, I have to ask you:

With the new infest system, you said in another thread that the payout threshold has been increased by 50%. Is that 50% higher than the 80-90% max resource loading value, or 50% higher than the full max loading value?

For instance, at level 100, the old system was:

Max Load: 148,913,800

80% Value: 119,131,040

90% Value: 134,022,420

So under the old system, you would try to trigger your level 100 site (or 95-100 site, if you got that random "no payout" reward), you would need to shoot for a bank of 119-134 million. Correct? (Although my records indicate payouts typically paid out between 110-128 million, so this should still result in a net loss).

Now, under the new system, are you saying this?

Max Load: 223,370,700

80% Value: 178,696,560

90% Value: 201,033,630

Assuming payouts are still the same, that would imply that I would have to make up the difference by hitting yellowed sites and get 68-73 million after I got my payout? Is this correct?

BiohazarD said:

bcd109 said:

Okay, so I think I follow this thread. Now, Biohazard, I have to ask you:

With the new infest system, you said in another thread that the payout threshold has been increased by 50%. Is that 50% higher than the 80-90% max resource loading value, or 50% higher than the full max loading value?

For instance, at level 100, the old system was:

Max Load: 148,913,800

80% Value: 119,131,040

90% Value: 134,022,420

So under the old system, you would try to trigger your level 100 site (or 95-100 site, if you got that random "no payout" reward), you would need to shoot for a bank of 119-134 million. Correct? (Although my records indicate payouts typically paid out between 110-128 million, so this should still result in a net loss).

Now, under the new system, are you saying this?

Max Load: 223,370,700

80% Value: 178,696,560

90% Value: 201,033,630

Assuming payouts are still the same, that would imply that I would have to make up the difference by hitting yellowed sites and get 68-73 million after I got my payout? Is this correct?

Yeah that's close.  It seems you have to load about 150% of the total bank value before you will get a payout (this is an approximation, sometimes it takes more, because there is some randomness built into the system).  So for a level 100 you'd need to load about 190 mil.  Then it will pay out 120-130 mil, and you get the rest from the yellow barred infests. 

Thank you, Biohazard.

So the new formula is:  97.5 * n ^ 3.143 , correct?

Do you have the formula for Soldiers/Sparta, by chance? (Since their infests go to level 125)

BiohazarD said:

Yeah.  I haven't played those games much so I'm not sure, but if the payout value for a 125 is the same as a 100 here then it would probably be 97.5*n^2.998.  That's just a guess though, assuming they wanted the difficulty progression to be the same as you go up levels. 

Awesome! Looking at my data, that looks about right.

Now, just so I don't end up doing anything (or sounding) stupid, I want to load my bank to 80-90% of that value before I trigger my level 100 site, correct?

BiohazarD said:

bcd109 said:

Now, just so I don't end up doing anything (or sounding) stupid, I want to load my bank to 80-90% of that value before I trigger my level 100 site, correct?

No now you have to load the full value.  Your profit comes from killing the yellow barred ones, not from the main payout being more than you had loaded. 

Interesting.

So under the old system, I would have had to have loaded 126 million into the bank, and my profit would have come from occasionally getting payouts that paid more than 126 million?

Okay. Now I'm confused again. So 110 million is 87% of that 126 million value (65*n^3.143, n=100).

Under the new system, the payout threshold increases by 50%, so the new value (97.5*n^3.143, n=100) is 188 million.

And you're saying the threshold is now 100% of that value, and not 85-90% (165-170 million) as before?

If the bank increased by 50%, why wouldn't the new threshold also be 85-90% of the increased bank?

In other words, are you sure we don't want to load up the bank to 165-170 million, instead of 180 million?

Sorry if I sound dense. I'm probably just overthinking things.