Saad Malik said:

Peter Slawinski said:

Guys..I'm trying to understand how infests work and have the following questions:

1. My infestation level is 16 atm. Based on wiki, I should load almost 350k reso. 350k reso=700 valks. The problem is that if I send 700 valkyries in 1 go, they will break the site and I won't get the maximu payout. Should I send them in small groups then to ensure they die and I've loaded enough troops/reso in the site? And only after I've loaded enough I should sent big army to break the site and (hopefully) enjoy my payout?
2. Do I need to load each site separately or it takes into account the total amount of units (reso) I loaded into sites before finally breaking one of them and receiving my payout?
3, I found in wiki that people use mission sites to load non-mission sites. Does it mean that the units I lose killing mission site increase my 'bank' for the non-mission site I break after the mission?

4. Basically, you won't earn anything from infests because they pay only what you have loaded before. The only reason to hit them is to exchange the units you don't want for the units you want (apart from quest and ranking). Am I right?

5. If I load infestations with the amnts of reso stated in wiki, is there a chance that I won't win any units (and I simply lose the units loaded)?

These are some really good questions. Why not to answer them? Some of these are already answered in this topic but some of these still need answers.

1: You could also send first troops to other infests and dn't kill the infest, just bring it back to 1 line, and then kill the infest you want to kill for the reward

2. in fact answered in 1

3. I just count the reward the last time i got, and put that back in infest. And then hit next one for pay out. I have no mission infest left.

4. Yes and no. No,  i have had pay outs like 5K BC, 12 K dizzie and 17K ceptor. Worth about 120 miljon of resources. Much more i put in those. Yes, special in the start of the game, you load troopers and valks and you get back fighters, dis and BC.

5. yes that is possible. The numbers in wiki are about the amount, could be a little less or more. Best way is to count the resource value of you last won reward. Multiply that by about 12% and you have the amount of resources to put in for next reward.

@Maniakaal (17 March, 2015, 9:46 PM UTC):
Multiply by 12%?

Do you mean add 12%?

Because then it would be getting smaller...

fakeasnever said:

@Maniakaal (17 March, 2015, 9:46 PM UTC):
Multiply by 12%?

Do you mean add 12%?

Because then it would be getting smaller...

resource won x 1,12

NUT Shot said:

BiohazarD said:

fakeasnever said:

About payouts in Infestations, payouts are based on the resource value of troops lost during battles, and then payed back when the bank reaches a certain amount, etc., right?

So based on this, wouldn't it be easier to load infestations by sending troops to the wrong Infestation type?

 

Edit 1:
Yes, I know this would probably take much longer to kill an Infestation, but it's still worth thinking about, to me.

This used to work, but now troops loaded into the wrong type of infest don't count their full banking value.  This was done because people were exploiting it to get payouts on every single infest, and it allowed them to win troops way too quickly. 

How is this exploiting? Dead troops are dead troops. Goal is to load infests. There is no need for this to ever be fixed and its a shame if they did. Must be some whiny little babies crying about something. Whether we throw at offense or defense, the resource value is what should count. Plarium is retarded anyways. I can see why they did this. They want to kill game off completely. 

This was exploiting because with the old system it was possible to load by sending troops to the wrong type of infest, which meant you could get a payout (and if you know how to do them well make a profit) on every infest you get.  So say you're on level 100 infests, and on days when the payouts are good (which you test using alt accounts or having low level clanmates do them first) you make a 10% profit each time you get a payout.  If you can get a payout on every one by cross loading, then you can do 12 payouts in a day.  At 10% profit on each one, that means in 1 day you make more than a level 100 payout worth of troops (5k+ bcs in a day).  Even at level 40-50 you can make very large amounts of troops quickly using this method.  I'm sure you can see how this became a problem.

@BiohazarD (18 March, 2015, 2:17 AM UTC):
I see...

However, I see 1 main 'broken dot'...

Where do you get that many resources legitimately?

111,777,000-148,913,800 resources a day, times 12, is 1,341,324,000-1,786,965,600...

WHERE?   lol

Even with alts, that's still way too many for 1 sane person to handle...

Edit 1:

Even if you get 100K resources a day from 1 alt, that's still 13,413.24-17,869.656 alts a day... Rounded up to 13,414-17,870 alts a day...

By 7 days, that's 93,898-125,090 alts a week...

That's like the entire game-map full...

WHERE?   lol

Edit 2:
Actually, now that I think about it, where do you even get the resources to load 1 level 100?

That's still about a month of raiding... All for 1 level 100...

WHERE?   lol

NUT Shot said:

Bio, I still have no clue where you learned math. You have never made sense, and still to this day make no sense. Resources donated are resources donated. If people like yourself and others quit crying about which troops go where, none of it would ever be changed. These changes are made cause people cry too much. Not because they make sense. I ran all my troops into same infests forever and never remember a 12 infest pay in a day. Its all good. This game is so slow and boring there wont be much time left for it to survive. They took away everything that kept us active. Game sucks donkey b@@lls

Just because you don't get it doesn't mean I'm not right ;)  If you don't know what you're doing you won't get the same results, that doesn't prove that the results are impossible. 

xygtho said:

With using elites the total res value is half a regular unit, I thought the crystals didn't count.  

Elite units count for same resource value as regular units (tested). 

fakeasnever said:

@BiohazarD (18 March, 2015, 2:17 AM UTC):
I see...

 

However, I see 1 main 'broken dot'...

Where do you get that many resources legitimately?

111,777,000-148,913,800 resources a day, times 12, is 1,341,324,000-1,786,965,600...

WHERE?   lol

Even with alts, that's still way too many for 1 sane person to handle...

 

Edit 1:

Even if you get 100K resources a day from 1 alt, that's still 13,413.24-17,869.656 alts a day... Rounded up to 13,414-17,870 alts a day...

By 7 days, that's 93,898-125,090 alts a week...

That's like the entire game-map full...

WHERE?   lol

 

Edit 2:
Actually, now that I think about it, where do you even get the resources to load 1 level 100?

That's still about a month of raiding... All for 1 level 100...

WHERE?   lol

Lol you don't build the troops to do all the infests in 1 day.  You have troops with enough value to load 1 infest.  You load them, kill that infest, and get a payout of slightly more troops than you lost.  You then use those troops to load another infest, and do it again. 

You can build about a million resources of troops per day (doing nemesis, thunderbolts, gauss, elite dizzys, excals, elite excals), so it takes 4 months of building to load a level 100 infest if you're starting from scratch, but nobody does that unless you lost your entire army in an emitter by accident or something like that. 

Saad Malik said:

is there any resource value of bioplasma units?

Yeah, I believe it's the number of bioplasma it cost to build it. 

Aggie.bound said:

Is there some hidden trick I'm missing? I'm at level 24 on infests with my "mission" level @ 29 and I don't get payouts Ever; I am tracking what I loaded in and it doesn't seem to be working. My last payout was just under 600k in interceptors on a level 23. But the chart you posted says it should take over a million in resources to get a payout on that level. And shouldn't the payout have been more than that 600k? Am I only supposed to hit one infest "type" or do I have to hit only the red ones?  And how many infests per day am I supposed to do. I generate about 46k u and t per day and roughly 50k credits. I can't see a benefit of going to level 18 mines since they don't give but 10 more per hour. what am I doing wrong? I can't seem to train enough troops per day to hit infests "daily" since valks and scars take so long to build I get only a couple hundred of one or the other but it takes way more than that to "load" an infest. Please help me understand what I am doing wrong.

Upgrade your vaults, you want to be making at least 8-10k credits per hour.  Then start making troops that use more credits to build (nemesis, thunderbolts, exterminators, excals, or phantoms (recon drones if you don't have any of the higher ones unlocked).  These let you load infests a lot faster than other troop types. also recon people around you, when you find inactives with good resources and no troops out raid them, there are a lot of these in most areas you may have to look out to 150-200km to find enough if you're using your 10 raid every day. 

Also make sure your resources are maxed out on your sector (ie you have as much of each resource as you can hold) this stops you from getting resources in your payout and you get extra troops instead.  Your best chance of getting a payout is on the highest level infest below your mission one.  (So if your mission was level 29 your highest chance for a payout is on a level 28.)

You don't have to do infests every day, many people just do infests during the global mission and build up their troops between missions. 

i just dont infest, problem solved

@CK-Basilius Errant Le'reaper (30 March, 2015, 8:29 AM UTC):
Haha, are you one of our beloved 'PvP trolls'?   lol

im more of a handsome troll

All recon units are defense type. 

The best chance of getting a full payout is on your second highest level infest.  As long as you aren't overloaded, this should let you pull out everything you have in the bank. 

It looks like the whole system has been changed again.  What used to work and values that worked are now not working anymore  Im in my last 12 hours of game play.  If the payouts have been reduced to where there isnt a  surplus there is no reason for me to continue playing.

Commander CK-Pimp Diggler, the infest system is just the same as it was when the Morgana's sites appeared. Did you get a good payout las time?

General T. Winters said:

Commander CK-Pimp Diggler, the infest system is just the same as it was when the Morgana's sites appeared. Did you get a good payout las time?

No Ive lost 10% per payout without changing what I was doing before using the same banking numbers and the same infesting techniques before I would see anywhere between 101-110% paid back yesterday I lost over a million in Offensive power between 4 payouts.  Even the artifacts have been reduced normally i would see anywhere between 6-8 artifacts yesterday only 3-4 dropped.

infests were .......... before now they just plain silly hehe

Edit: please use proper language

Commander Prince Orcus DiVargo, on an organizational level the devs have confirmed that they have changed nothing in the infest system. 

General T. Winters said:

Commander Prince Orcus DiVargo, on an organizational level the devs have confirmed that they have changed nothing in the infest system. 

General you are lying the problem still exists and now there is a new problem after killing 2 infests they have not been replaced with new ones.  Your and your developers are either lying or dont know what is going on.  I killed 2 infests and they havent been replaced with new ones and its been 48 hours since my last infest kill.  Please fix this Im not sure how you are managing a development team and you are finding out information from the community as opposed to people who sit feet in front of you.