Techway_GrandMarshal said:

Has anyone else spent a bunch of money on sketches to upgrade there farms like me to support large armies

WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY NOW... THANK YOU PLARIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking on the bright side, they will be more useful if you aren't sending units to the battleground to reduce your food consumption:)

ASPHYXIUOS said:

http://prnt.sc/blwuh3

Yes it's a scam, just sent 9,015 troops strength to a lvl 15 bg and only yellow bared it.

I sent nearly 2,000 more points than would normally be necessary,

Also did 12 low lvl bg's and success i killed all the units i was using plus the rewards i earned for my trouble.

great system now, guess i had better get the credit card out now so i can buy back my army, and be competitive.

great work plarium your plan to destroy everyone's army is working.

The average strength of any level 15 bg should be 7,700, but you should always send one archer first to get a FULL battle report

You can then use a bg calculator to determine exact strength

Sending Bestiary units to this bg was a mistake - the over-population of marennon greatly increased the bg strength because you sent the dragon, thief and wyvern.
You were expecting to find 16 marennon, but unlucky to find 60 instead

Hope this helps

I do my BG's with one attack at them and win them, but I have been getting rewards with NO troops, How is this anywhere near what is stated in the newsletter that you receive troops with every successful BG attack?

You will receive Units only if you had some losses.

Then explain why I did have some minor losses and still did not get troops with the reward.

http://prntscr.com/bmlz93

Let me guess, you're going to say my losses were too small, right? I call BS on that response before it is given. We were told that on all successful battlegrounds we would receive troops in the reward - there were no restricting conditions stated with that statement.

AncientSage said:

I do my BG's with one attack at them and win them, but I have been getting rewards with NO troops, How is this anywhere near what is stated in the newsletter that you receive troops with every successful BG attack?

Either you are using a zero-loss method or you have hit a new bug

ASPHYXIUOS said:

http://prnt.sc/blwuh3

Yes it's a scam, just sent 9,015 troops strength to a lvl 15 bg and only yellow bared it.

I sent nearly 2,000 more points than would normally be necessary,

Also did 12 low lvl bg's and success i killed all the units i was using plus the rewards i earned for my trouble.

great system now, guess i had better get the credit card out now so i can buy back my army, and be competitive.

great work plarium your plan to destroy everyone's army is working.

The average strength of any level 15 bg should be 7,700, but you should always send one archer first to get a FULL battle report

You can then use a bg calculator to determine exact strength

Sending Bestiary units to this bg was a mistake - the over-population of marennon greatly increased the bg strength because you sent the dragon, thief and wyvern.
You were expecting to find 16 marennon, but unlucky to find 60 instead

Hope this helps

zach-rose11 said:

Does anyone else read Jumy's posts just for a laugh? Lol, her english skills are extraordinary!!!! Jumy for Plarium President!! 

p.s. BG's are still evil!!!!!! :D

ty some points

is not my language

no alt unlike you

at least laugh and i am pleased 

ps for a short time

Tony Hobson said:

ASPHYXIUOS said:

http://prnt.sc/blwuh3

Yes it's a scam, just sent 9,015 troops strength to a lvl 15 bg and only yellow bared it.

I sent nearly 2,000 more points than would normally be necessary,

Also did 12 low lvl bg's and success i killed all the units i was using plus the rewards i earned for my trouble.

great system now, guess i had better get the credit card out now so i can buy back my army, and be competitive.

great work plarium your plan to destroy everyone's army is working.

The average strength of any level 15 bg should be 7,700, but you should always send one archer first to get a FULL battle report

You can then use a bg calculator to determine exact strength

Sending Bestiary units to this bg was a mistake - the over-population of marennon greatly increased the bg strength because you sent the dragon, thief and wyvern.
You were expecting to find 16 marennon, but unlucky to find 60 instead

Hope this helps

thankyou.

 I am aware of those points, however whilst i should have lost more units than necessary, i sent 20% or so more than i needed to, prior to the changes I should have killed the battleground.but instead only killed a little over 50% of the Balurs force.

The new system does not work as advertised.  I have completed a number of BG's without receiving troops as a reward.

It's possible only if you had zero losses on them.

More answers have arrived. 

I understand that it's hard to accept any changes. Especially if they are related to BGs. You have probably mastered them after a long time and after putting so many efforts into them.

However, as we have mentioned, there were some players who were using an exploit. There is a certain way how the BGs should work. But those players have found a vulnerability in the system.

Let me ensure you that you and other fair players who were using this strategy are not among those who have caused this change.

It was a hard decision to change the system when we knew that the changes will affect one of the most popular Infestations strategy. But it was necessary.

We strive to give the same opportunities to all players, and we had to make BGs fair and equal for everyone.

Though you may need some time to adapt, you will soon notice that the new system is exactly the same as it was before, with one minor change which affected only 1-bar strategy.

If you have any other questions, please ask.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Let me ensure you that you and other fair players who were using this strategy are not among those who have caused this change.

So, why couldn't they address just the loophole? Why did they have to change the whole darn system? Fixing the loophole should have prevented future misuse. Or has it been done this way because the full extent of the problem isn't known & hence changing the entire system was an easier bet?

You may not like my question but I can assure you your post will only invite more questions. 

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

More answers have arrived. 

I understand that it's hard to accept any changes. Especially if they are related to BGs. You have probably mastered them after a long time and after putting so many efforts into them.

However, as we have mentioned, there were some players who were using an exploit. There is a certain way how the BGs should work. But those players have found a vulnerability in the system.

Let me ensure you that you and other fair players who were using this strategy are not among those who have caused this change.

It was a hard decision to change the system when we knew that the changes will affect one of the most popular Infestations strategy. But it was necessary.

We strive to give the same opportunities to all players, and we had to make BGs fair and equal for everyone.

Though you may need some time to adapt, you will soon notice that the new system is exactly the same as it was before, with one minor change which affected only 1-bar strategy.

If you have any other questions, please ask.

Biggest lie i ever heard "We strive to give the same opportunities to all players" LMAO so what was the grand tournaments about ???? im sure a level 20 or even a level 40 had an equal chance at the 1st spot right 

Yes its sarcasim

@Alyona,

You said that Plarium solved problem with BG. So, no one can take advantage after change. Why malicious way is still secret?

Simple show us that way and your words will get power. Avoiding right answers, and continually repeating words on which we already reacted will lead us to nowhere.

Simple think for big reward for you and other Plarium's speakers. Isn't it worth?

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

More answers have arrived. 

I understand that it's hard to accept any changes. Especially if they are related to BGs. You have probably mastered them after a long time and after putting so many efforts into them.

However, as we have mentioned, there were some players who were using an exploit. There is a certain way how the BGs should work. But those players have found a vulnerability in the system.

Let me ensure you that you and other fair players who were using this strategy are not among those who have caused this change.

It was a hard decision to change the system when we knew that the changes will affect one of the most popular Infestations strategy. But it was necessary.

We strive to give the same opportunities to all players, and we had to make BGs fair and equal for everyone.

Though you may need some time to adapt, you will soon notice that the new system is exactly the same as it was before, with one minor change which affected only 1-bar strategy.

If you have any other questions, please ask.

Drogar61 said:

@Alyona,

You said that Plarium solved problem with BG. So, no one can take advantage after change. Why malicious way is still secret?

Simple show us that way and your words will get power. Avoiding right answers, and continually repeating words on which we already reacted will lead us to nowhere.

Simple think for big reward for you and other Plarium's speakers. Isn't it worth?

Since I don't like seeing Alyona being ganged up on when she's right, I'll inform you all that I have recently heard certain details about the previous exploit, and this change does seem to have affected it. Although, from what I understand, it would have affected the method more if the bgs were still as they were at the beginning of the year (effectively guaranteed small payouts upon breaking a bg).

Other than that, I just want to put out the thought that it might be that the developer just answer our questions that she passes on directly, without any additional context. If that was the case, she wouldn't be able to give us specifics on some of our follow up questions. Also, if that's the case, she's not necessarily the one that should be receiving our ire.

@Inaginni,

I believe that Alyona hasn't need advocate. She is strong and smart enough to answer in her name, and Plarium's name.

Except your doubt, and imagination, you also didn't show answer. And that is expected and acceptable because you heard just rumors, don't know truth.

Your story about 80 M? Come on.

Plarium could make only one mistake with BG, and made it - you could become negative in bank. But how much negative? -70 M? No chance.

You could fill bank for longer time, preparing (yellowing) tasks. So in the best scenario you could yellowed all tasks, and put inside huge amount of troops. Your troops. Let say that level 55 is average with about 20 M resources each. If all tasks are yellowed that means that you have chance to get full payout of 100 M and 59 * 5 M from the rest. You already invested at least 105 M (mentioned huge amount). So in the ideal situation you can get about 300 M resources, or 13.6 K Dragons. 80 M? NO.

On the other side such exhibitionism will demand from you about 315 M resources to put back in BG before next full payout - or to translate, you will never get full payout again. If there was a bug somewhere in banking that could be fixed without changing anything in BG.

In last change there is one very ugly secret. You cant get next full payout when you expect. You should to get payout when your bank is filled. But because you have to put previous payout + tax get payout before you get new one. If this isn't true, and if you can get payout before you spend previous payout, then you are in old yellowing way.

BUT, on emptied bank (not possible, just to show problem) with all new tasks, very soon with full payouts you will yellow all tasks, because one full payout is enough to yellow 4 similar tasks. So we have about 15 full payouts and after that we will be in all yellowed tasks. What is changed?

Plarium took from us possibility of planning, and on that way many players will put whole armies in BG and they will not be able to get full payout, until some (secret) point, for them totally accidentally. Solution to get back troops will be long time building or short time buying.

Maybe, I'm wrong and missing something. I'll be happy if I'm wrong, for sure. This is just to stop story about 80 M.

If something was really wrong and Plarium solved that that they never will allow to same thing exist again (about your future), and there is no need for secret.

If ... very simple, public that and everyone will say thank you.

But if nothing was bug, then this change is very ugly suprise for players.

On one or another way, we, or at least me, will get answer.

P.S.: You still can have negative balance in BG, but that is terrible position for next task. And always was.

Drogar61 said:

@Inaginni,

I believe that Alyona hasn't need advocate. She is strong and smart enough to answer in her name, and Plarium's name.

Except your doubt, and imagination, you also didn't show answer. And that is expected and acceptable because you heard just rumors, don't know truth.

Your story about 80 M? Come on.

Plarium could make only one mistake with BG, and made it - you could become negative in bank. But how much negative? -70 M? No chance.

You could fill bank for longer time, preparing (yellowing) tasks. So in the best scenario you could yellowed all tasks, and put inside huge amount of troops. Your troops. Let say that level 55 is average with about 20 M resources each. If all tasks are yellowed that means that you have chance to get full payout of 100 M and 59 * 5 M from the rest. You already invested at least 105 M (mentioned huge amount). So in the ideal situation you can get about 300 M resources, or 13.6 K Dragons. 80 M? NO.

On the other side such exhibitionism will demand from you about 315 M resources to put back in BG before next full payout - or to translate, you will never get full payout again. If there was a bug somewhere in banking that could be fixed without changing anything in BG.

In last change there is one very ugly secret. You cant get next full payout when you expect. You should to get payout when your bank is filled. But because you have to put previous payout + tax get payout before you get new one. If this isn't true, and if you can get payout before you spend previous payout, then you are in old yellowing way.

BUT, on emptied bank (not possible, just to show problem) with all new tasks, very soon with full payouts you will yellow all tasks, because one full payout is enough to yellow 4 similar tasks. So we have about 15 full payouts and after that we will be in all yellowed tasks. What is changed?

Plarium took from us possibility of planning, and on that way many players will put whole armies in BG and they will not be able to get full payout, until some (secret) point, for them totally accidentally. Solution to get back troops will be long time building or short time buying.

Maybe, I'm wrong and missing something. I'll be happy if I'm wrong, for sure. This is just to stop story about 80 M.

If something was really wrong and Plarium solved that that they never will allow to same thing exist again (about your future), and there is no need for secret.

If ... very simple, public that and everyone will say thank you.

But if nothing was bug, then this change is very ugly suprise for players.

On one or another way, we, or at least me, will get answer.

P.S.: You still can have negative balance in BG, but that is terrible position for next task. And always was.

You're correct about the negative bank. I was told that the technique makes it so you cannot do bgs again due to how negative it becomes (hence why some that knew about it didn't do it for, as DJmoody said a while back, bgs are a large chunk of the game), but just forgot to include the detail. Also, I didn't say what I heard was a rumor. ;)

I would also say that when anyone is getting ganged up on for reasons of disbelief, that they should be supported if they are correct.

Considering my level of understanding for bgs, I can say it is definitely possible that the technique could be expanded on in some way to make a similar one.

To finish, the 80M "story", as you referred to it, actually is not a story for sure. This is confirmed. That is why I included it as an example.

Confirmed? How? Where is the proof? Explanation? Anything.

Innagini,

Garbage in, garbage out - the first rule of programming

This exploit has not been fixed, it has been botched

There were many ways of filling your resource banks, and yellow lining was only one way - we know many players who simply buy sapphires to revive lost units, and there are many who deliberately send defensive units to offensive bg and visa versa .. but there has never been any method to increase your strength without sacrificing huge armies. If such a method existed, then devs should have found a different method to patch the gaping holes in the code.

The recent Anniversary BG Tournament may be a prime example of this 'unfair exploit' being used. The winner spent sapphires, but 3rd place went to a mysterious new player who reached level 84 in 4 weeks - does that seem suspicious?

http://prnt.sc/bn5uzt

http://prnt.sc/bn5wo7

So, plarium's answer to this was to re-design our banking system, even tho they swore never to do this.

We no longer have one bank - we now seem to have many mini-banks added

It would appear that all newly weakened battlegrounds now have their own mini-bank, which continues to fill until the bg is completed.
It seemd to me that this will only invite new exploits as players will learn to super-saturate one or two high-level weakened battlegrounds to receive huge payouts

Active bot accounts could easily keep filling an offensive battleground with an infinite amount of defensive units without ever killing a single balur unit - and get an infinite number of experience points too .... then complete the bg for a super-payout

Back to the drawing board, plarium .... perhaps it would have been better to banish the active bots, scammers, hackers and alt accounts that fill our map daily

Drogar61 said:

Confirmed? How? Where is the proof? Explanation? Anything.

Share with us such things.

Well I tried, so I'll just leave it here then. It seems you are a person who cannot believe something without seeing proof, which is a good attitude to have and is mine as well, but I am unwilling to do so given the power of this exploit.

It would be a disservice to my leaguemates if something was developed from it, as well as to the person who told me about it.

As such, this is the best I can do for the player base and I will have to leave it up to everyone's own judgment when they review our conversation.

Falcon said:

Innagini,

The intention wasn't to harass her. But when a major change happens with explanations as small as that, p(l)aying customers do tend to get annoyed, especially when there are statements like "you should be grateful plarium did this". Getting a few answers straight from the horse's mouth is all is expected. 

That wasn't the point I was trying to make. All of us should realize that Alyona is, for better or worse, some form of representation we have with Plarium, in that she passes things along for us. Does she have things she can improve on? Absolutely. Is she deserving of the targeted anger she regularly receives? No. I've been a bystander watching it happen and had reached my limit on it. Hence why I commented on it.

I think quite a few of us realize that it is not so much a problem we have with Alyona as what the devs tell her/ allow her to tell us. As you say, changing this towards greater transparency would help.

Inaginni said:

Since I don't like seeing Alyona being ganged up on when she's right, I'll inform you all that I have recently heard certain details about the previous exploit, and this change does seem to have affected it. Although, from what I understand, it would have affected the method more if the bgs were still as they were at the beginning of the year (effectively guaranteed small payouts upon breaking a bg).

Other than that, I just want to put out the thought that it might be that the developer just answer our questions that she passes on directly, without any additional context. If that was the case, she wouldn't be able to give us specifics on some of our follow up questions. Also, if that's the case, she's not necessarily the one that should be receiving our ire.

Edit: Forgot to address why it is probably still secret. This exploit was EXTREMELY powerful. Someone going in as a medium-sized hammer/ wall could end up being tremendously huge (as an example, think about going from 10 mil off to 80 mil off in one week). I can imagine that Plarium doesn't want any details of this released, as it could be possible in future version of the bgs to extrapolate this technique to exploit them.

You sound like a developer. how do you have such inside knowledge?