for me  now was  good  Xerxes after  doing positions  in the last  two days ..when i draw the line after i  add the progression in tournaments  i  lost   maximum 1 M troups ...and got some horses   in exchange of lights ,heavy and phalanx  :) 

http://prntscr.com/hz5xy0

My next  payout  after the previous posted ,  yesterday the same didn't get an   payout only lose some troups  and  today after clearing  4 positions (https://imgur.com/wm3clUo )..get this... got my  progress in tournament ...with the help of others we are at multipler 2 x ..  So i   think these time i breakeven  ..or lose a few  troups   ...but not much ... and  got a lot of horses  and didn't lose one  horse or imperial troups like others said  you should have to do  :)     Like i said if you guys want  better rewards you will get greater losses  also..For me it's slow and steady and without  headache trying to break the algorithm using all  kinds of spreadsheets  ..Best regards to all   

Drag-Theseus said:

Skulder, please hide your coords next time.. It's just 'cause of precaution :)

my ex teammate lost 140mil on PP (he is ex cause he left game now).. so I don't play PP much, and I suggest you all tostay away from them if you are not PP expert and good in math 

mate       not afraid of nobody ..who wants to get some towers and an temple down    can come .. have nothing to hide  ..it's an game ,    i'm  waiting all the visits in Sparta ..anyhow my city it's crow city almost all the time :)) 

From 29/10/2017 to 12/01/2017 the first is 1,5 month old  and the last two is  in the past four days not 4 months Skulder and these are almost half of this period.

Tonaya first post about this Bank System and I made some tests on my own and realized that it helps me to get more Payouts than before with lesser risk.

The only Jokes Here is the Jokes Payouts you post.

an opinion.

If the river makes a noise its because water is running,

To think that this post is the most read and the one that receives the most criticism is a reason more than sufficient for the game to value that something does not work.

because there is no tutorial on the part of the official game in which they explain the operation of the game in its 100% and we do not have to be the players who with our money .. find out what they want?

it is sure that in pp there is some method that is profitable .. what I do not know if that method is for the player who only plays with troops ... and does not do it with troops and money.

The last moderator is right.   Hahaha  cant believe I said  this.     But it is true.   if you are not doing the math on pp  you will always lose more troops  than needed, or get short changed on your payout.  The only trick is having enough boost to only play with lights and heavies.     94% +  all positions  are set to be attacked with these troops.    Sending 2000 promos to a position that only takes 126 spartan hoplites to beat is also points less.      If you are not playing them right don’t play them    or at least don’t complain about them.  Besides   how much money  do you really think it takes to buy back  50 mil off and 60 mil def.      plarium  doesn’t want that much of your money  only some it.             All pp wants from you  is 500k  in lights  and about 400k in heavies.  When you have pp army this big you will be able to play for a long time  and walk away with huge army of about 100 mil def and 80-60 mil off.   : )

I will post this  once more   for you  to look at.  this is offense positions from 180-190.     on my calculator there are four colors to indicate force needed to  win each position      yellow -  for the least amount of force  orange for the second amount of force needed,  red for the third strongest force needed   and the darkest red  for the strongest force needed to win.    if you  only attack  by the least amount of force  possible you will get payout.       

https://gyazo.com/5a428c1cd60502eddfcd89301129da8b

level 190     5.4 mil heavies.

https://gyazo.com/c26a9e863348f4ac641a3f460708ec7e

188  5.2 mil heavies

https://gyazo.com/af590b9169ae0ff08eb5f778f083c0c9

186.    5.6 mil heavies

https://gyazo.com/af9fd78a4ea8c0242378613dc13ac17c

183.   5.1 mil phalanx

https://gyazo.com/b861f9b1ce9e57ef9597c317fdf14297

182.  5 ,1mil phalanx,   but I would still hit with 5.3 mil lights  and save my phalanx

https://gyazo.com/fdb4d37d5eeb3079cae84970358fe162

181.   4.8   lights or heavies. 

to knockdown these positions  you need 26-27mil in lights and heavies   and 5.1 mil   in phalanx.     if you use anything other than that   you will not get a payout.      or  your payout will be smaller than it should for what you put into it.

From the tournament start,  PP problems for me.. 

1- Oracle can not refresh correctly.  I get 31 offense positions (not usual 35) only + usual 35 defense positions. Posted report on bug forum. Tried to submit a  ticket but returned to forum.

2- Last payout only 30.6% of bank investment.  Lost 69.4%.  Cleared 5 positions near last payout level position, but no payout. Did very low positions. Got some very low payouts. Near last payout position level again. Nothing.  Mid level positions, some low rewards.  Nothing near last payment level position yet.  Dont know why that happened.

Before, sometimes the payout was early. Sometimes late. Sometimes from mixed positions.   But resource amount total was similar or different but ok.  I checked my PP spreadsheet data.  Results today are  worst % loss this year.   

Maybe tomorrow I  can get something. Maybe my oracle will show correct position total (35+35).  But now not happy.

PMC said:

Hi IOANNES,  well if you use phalanx and cav  you can up the total power  that you would lose to beat these positions.   if you are trying to grow army you don't want to lose power to gain less power.  Besides why would you use phlanx and cav  they are for cap  and pvp. pp is really only a troop converter  with a little add bonus  sometimes but not always.  But every day you can take 20-30 mil power in lights and heavies  and make 20-44 mil in cav and/or phlanx.   and yes  the time is the problem   but these are level 180-190.   you can easily play between levels 1-100  with lights and heavies  at least monthly.   And slowly grow at an even rate.   You can play with phalanx and cav but this is more or less for points, and complete loss. You might as well go play pvp for those.  Only if you are very lucky will you be able to cycle 20 mil in phalanx into a 20 mil reward. Most of the time you will end with nothing.    Or feeling like you were short changed in payout.  

Hi PMC, From All offence units only S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior are profitable in strength, you gain more strength than you lose, when exchange them at PP.

Example :

When you exchange Swordsmen with Sarissophoros the total strength of them is 31% less than total strength of Swordsmen you use. So every time you use light & Heavy except S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior you lose 10% to 48% in strength.

The only Jokes Here is the Jokes Payouts you post.

IOANNIS said:

PMC said:

Hi IOANNES,  well if you use phalanx and cav  you can up the total power  that you would lose to beat these positions.   if you are trying to grow army you don't want to lose power to gain less power.  Besides why would you use phlanx and cav  they are for cap  and pvp. pp is really only a troop converter  with a little add bonus  sometimes but not always.  But every day you can take 20-30 mil power in lights and heavies  and make 20-44 mil in cav and/or phlanx.   and yes  the time is the problem   but these are level 180-190.   you can easily play between levels 1-100  with lights and heavies  at least monthly.   And slowly grow at an even rate.   You can play with phalanx and cav but this is more or less for points, and complete loss. You might as well go play pvp for those.  Only if you are very lucky will you be able to cycle 20 mil in phalanx into a 20 mil reward. Most of the time you will end with nothing.    Or feeling like you were short changed in payout.  

Hi PMC, From All offence units only S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior are profitable in strength, you gain more strength than you lose, when exchange them at PP.

Example :

When you exchange Swordsmen with Sarissophoros the total strength of them is 31% less than total strength of Swordsmen you use. So every time you use light & Heavy except S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior you lose at least 31% in strength.

mate don't  forget also you need  S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior  for youre champhionship units ..so you don't gain   strenghts if  you  exchange them all the time  in the position :)

MRGREEDY,

Thanks to monitor your language and don't write in capital letters, this is your first warning and I hope the last one.

If you can't win above lvl 175, why do you still go back today ?

The developers know what they are doing and the PP system is checked regularly.

Review your strategy, I know players who have not put a dime in the game and have earned the maximum gain more than once.

IOANNIS said:

PMC said:

Hi IOANNES,  well if you use phalanx and cav  you can up the total power  that you would lose to beat these positions.   if you are trying to grow army you don't want to lose power to gain less power.  Besides why would you use phlanx and cav  they are for cap  and pvp. pp is really only a troop converter  with a little add bonus  sometimes but not always.  But every day you can take 20-30 mil power in lights and heavies  and make 20-44 mil in cav and/or phlanx.   and yes  the time is the problem   but these are level 180-190.   you can easily play between levels 1-100  with lights and heavies  at least monthly.   And slowly grow at an even rate.   You can play with phalanx and cav but this is more or less for points, and complete loss. You might as well go play pvp for those.  Only if you are very lucky will you be able to cycle 20 mil in phalanx into a 20 mil reward. Most of the time you will end with nothing.    Or feeling like you were short changed in payout.  

Hi PMC, From All offence units only S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior are profitable in strength, you gain more strength than you lose, when exchange them at PP.

Example :

When you exchange Swordsmen with Sarissophoros the total strength of them is 31% less than total strength of Swordsmen you use. So every time you use light & Heavy except S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior you lose at least 31% in strength.

mate don't  forget also you need  S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior  for youre champhionship units ..so you don't gain   strenghts if  you  exchange them all the time  in the position :)