IOANNIS said:

PMC said:

Hi IOANNES,  well if you use phalanx and cav  you can up the total power  that you would lose to beat these positions.   if you are trying to grow army you don't want to lose power to gain less power.  Besides why would you use phlanx and cav  they are for cap  and pvp. pp is really only a troop converter  with a little add bonus  sometimes but not always.  But every day you can take 20-30 mil power in lights and heavies  and make 20-44 mil in cav and/or phlanx.   and yes  the time is the problem   but these are level 180-190.   you can easily play between levels 1-100  with lights and heavies  at least monthly.   And slowly grow at an even rate.   You can play with phalanx and cav but this is more or less for points, and complete loss. You might as well go play pvp for those.  Only if you are very lucky will you be able to cycle 20 mil in phalanx into a 20 mil reward. Most of the time you will end with nothing.    Or feeling like you were short changed in payout.  

Hi PMC, From All offence units only S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior are profitable in strength, you gain more strength than you lose, when exchange them at PP.

Example :

When you exchange Swordsmen with Sarissophoros the total strength of them is 31% less than total strength of Swordsmen you use. So every time you use light & Heavy except S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior you lose at least 31% in strength.

mate don't  forget also you need  S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior  for youre champhionship units ..so you don't gain   strenghts if  you  exchange them all the time  in the position :)

MRGREEDY,

Thanks to monitor your language and don't write in capital letters, this is your first warning and I hope the last one.

If you can't win above lvl 175, why do you still go back today ?

The developers know what they are doing and the PP system is checked regularly.

Review your strategy, I know players who have not put a dime in the game and have earned the maximum gain more than once.

IOANNIS said:

PMC said:

Hi IOANNES,  well if you use phalanx and cav  you can up the total power  that you would lose to beat these positions.   if you are trying to grow army you don't want to lose power to gain less power.  Besides why would you use phlanx and cav  they are for cap  and pvp. pp is really only a troop converter  with a little add bonus  sometimes but not always.  But every day you can take 20-30 mil power in lights and heavies  and make 20-44 mil in cav and/or phlanx.   and yes  the time is the problem   but these are level 180-190.   you can easily play between levels 1-100  with lights and heavies  at least monthly.   And slowly grow at an even rate.   You can play with phalanx and cav but this is more or less for points, and complete loss. You might as well go play pvp for those.  Only if you are very lucky will you be able to cycle 20 mil in phalanx into a 20 mil reward. Most of the time you will end with nothing.    Or feeling like you were short changed in payout.  

Hi PMC, From All offence units only S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior are profitable in strength, you gain more strength than you lose, when exchange them at PP.

Example :

When you exchange Swordsmen with Sarissophoros the total strength of them is 31% less than total strength of Swordsmen you use. So every time you use light & Heavy except S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior you lose at least 31% in strength.

mate don't  forget also you need  S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior  for youre champhionship units ..so you don't gain   strenghts if  you  exchange them all the time  in the position :)

i would like to share my experiense with PP playing for 2 years so far. All tips i give would help a non coiner progress in the game.

First to say i dont use revivng ( all drachmas go for sketches). So my results regarding persians gain/loss are not poluted from reviving.

Here is how i understand PP System:

1. PP work on loan system based on resourse value. When you get a payout you get a loan. 

2. In order to get the next payout you pay the loan + tax of 20%

3. The tax you pay is your LOSS of playing persians. More payouts result more  tax payed, therefore higher losses. If you play so often PP and payouts are too frequent you may end up loosing large amount of your army inevitable and irreversible, because your production doesnt cover the tax payed.

4. Losses can be minimized when playing PP during tourneys but never neutralized. Overall loss is always 10% and higher

5. Best units for persians are Sidonians, golden shields and Carthaginians. Those units make your city to convert up to 30% more resourses per day comparing to regular army. They cost a lot of grain, which is good because grain is the most abundat resourse at the moment.  Their production time in academy and amphetheater must be maxed out.

6. The more upgraded those units are - better rewards from tourneys i.e reducing loss from tax payed. Deff/off booster, dominion helps at the same manner.

7. If you are not a coiner- dont go over position of 65

8. A payout from position 65 is payed usually for 18-20 days of sacrifycing sidoniaans G.Sh. and Cart.  With normal units >24days

9. Dont use any regular, champions, denari or imperial units on persians.

10.  With this type of system city produces  2-3 mil of deffense/offense   every 18-20 days

11. Always play parsians with full storages. It is acceptable if you lack of wood for example use persians to fill it up. It will reduce army payout with the ammount of resourse given.

 Using this system will allow a non coiner to get a decent general quipment, decent tournament rewards (drachmas and champions) and nice leveling. 

Hi All,

PP (server 2) has been atrocious of late. I did several high level positions recently without a single decent payout. The previous PP tourney rocked but this one is just downright diabolical! I expected better payouts from these levels. See for yourself:

http://prntscr.com/i5r4oj

http://prntscr.com/i5r4w6

http://prntscr.com/i5r50l

http://prntscr.com/i5r54n

http://prntscr.com/i5r595

http://prntscr.com/i5r5un

  you see my math is right on.

https://gyazo.com/4d2951c9f5638cfed4021eecb2f301ac

  you see my math is right on.

https://gyazo.com/4d2951c9f5638cfed4021eecb2f301ac

PMC have tino method :):)

hahaha

nice payout buddy

rome said:

to alyona - are you kidding me.???  you say it does not change Really.??? funny to hear. it has changed over the past few months

As I said - no changes were made over the past few month. The last change was more than a year ago! And it wasn't related to rewards. 

I guess nobody wants me to check their PPs as I don't see the info I asked for in my previous post. 

The fact that your strategies work differently on higher PP levels should not surprise you, since higher PP levels are stronger, possible rewards are bigger, and you may need some time to adjust.

I like to have a rant, but I see everyone else has already hit the nail on the head!

What it comes down to, is if the dev's don't want to listen and continue with ignoring repeated requests to fix it.

Well there is only one recourse...time to start looking for another game!

Yeah I said it!.....if you want to be greedy bastards , then turn that greed sideways and shove it up your A R S E!

I play PP regularly up to level 180.  The "poor rewards screenshots" several people have posted here are actually regular level rewards.  When you get to higher level positions the base reward is much bigger... So these screenshots are not payouts and not a sign that PPs are not working.

The rewards ALWAYS drop on low level positions if you're in reward mode. It's a 100% effective test to verify whether you have paid back your debt to the PP bank or not. 

Attack a level 1-20 position and calculate if the reward is bigger than the loss (in terms of resources). For example send 50 Thureophoros against a level 12 position.  You lose 1 Thureophoros and win 1 Cretian Archer means you're still in payback mode and you CANNOT drop a big reward. Be careful Plarium sometimes gives you rewards that appear "big" but are not - like 30 swordsmen or 50 psilos.  A real reward is typically 10-20 times bigger than your losses.

If you lose 1 Thureophoros and win 5 Mounted Peltasts you are in reward mode and a big reward MAY drop on any position.  Chances of a reward drop in this mode is nearly 100% up to level 50 positions and then chances drop off.  I would guess that odds are about 20% at level 150 and up.

If you have verified that you are in Reward mode it is almost certain that a reward will drop within 10-20 positions cleared.  But it's still chance.  I one-bar every position from 150 to 180 so I have enough positions ready to clear that I will be able to get the reward. Once I have verified I am in Reward mode, I start from the lowest position I am willing to get a reward on (150 in my case) and work up until the reward drops.  I do Off or Def positions depending on what type of units I want to win.  I've done it 100s of times and it has NEVER failed.

I have done it multiple times in a row (win a big reward, kill the entire reward + 10% and get another reward immediately) and it still works.  I dont think there is any waiting period but of course when you win 10,000 Agemas you need to kill 11,000 Agemas + all the units you get as small rewards in between before you return to reward mode.  If you do the check on a low level position as described above and don't show reward mode there is NO POINT in trying to get a reward. Reward chance is ZERO until the balance is paid.

No changes were made to PPs. If you think that something went wrong, I could check your PP logs for you to make sure that everything goes well. I'll just need some dates of your last figths that you consider broken:) - alyona kolomiitseva

Im giving you permission to check on my account and in return you better come up with an honest to goodness explanation as to what happened to persian positions. date of last payout was october 28, 2019. last i played positions was today october 29, 2019. I started from the lowest level up to level 143. check it out. 

jolila said:

No changes were made to PPs. If you think that something went wrong, I could check your PP logs for you to make sure that everything goes well. I'll just need some dates of your last figths that you consider broken:) - alyona kolomiitseva

Im giving you permission to check on my account and in return you better come up with an honest to goodness explanation as to what happened to persian positions. date of last payout was october 28, 2019. last i played positions was today october 29, 2019. I started from the lowest level up to level 143. check it out. 

I've replied to your message in this thread. By the way, have you checked MIKALOSOS's comment above? He shares his experience on how to efficiently hit Positions and his recommendations may be useful for others.