Tonaya said:
Dimitri Molchanov said:
Tonaya said:
Dimitri,if this what i just said is not truth,bring one game developer on forum,for 5 minutes,to prove to us did imperial troops have any value for pp bank,or not.
if plarium dont bring developer on forum,it is crystal clear why they dont want to do that :)
Tonaya, I have no doubt that you are well aware, after being on the forum for so long, that Community Managers handle forums while developers work on the game and they are never brought in to communicate directly. So I'm not sure what's the purpose of this demand apart from making a bit of a stir.
In regards to your actual question, all of the above: Imperial, Roman and Champion units do have a value when it comes to calculating losses in Persian Positions. Though I personally do believe it is best to use regular units since all three of those above are quite valuable and their losses are not as easily recuperated.
thank you for your answer,Dimitri,i will make my question even more simpler:
1.does IMPERIAL troops have SAME value on PP as REGULAR troops(question is for PP value bank) ?
to explain more,if someone dont understand what i'm asking here: pp system is based on how much troops you loose/win(in and out)=how much resources you needed to build them.
example:
1 sword=timber 90,bronze 150,grain 60,value for pp bank of single sword is 90+150+60=300
1 agema=timber 5000,bronze 12277,grain 7000,value for pp bank of single agema is 5000+12277+7000=24277
there are spreadsheets made about pp system,i have 16+ versions of those,and i tested them,and they do work.
what i'm asking is this: IMPERIAL troops are not made by resources,you cant build them,you can buy them for drachma or to win on some tournament as reward,because they are not made of resources i am sure they dont have same value as regular troops for pp bank,and i assume their value is same as how much resources you spended to build them,and its a ZERO,thats why i think imperial troops value for pp bank is ZERO.
also,i assume that plarium headquarters are not 2 or more buildings,i think its one building,and i assume that game developers are 10 meters from you,in real life,they are in next office,and if they are bussy programming something,could you be so kind and just ask them 1 question:
Dimitri:"hi programmers,do imperial troops have same value for pp bank as regular troops,or not"?
and then to tell us all here what did they answer,nothing more.
this is very important for me,for us,3+years loyal sparta game,players,and for all players as well,because players,not knowing value of imperial troops,keep sending them on pp positions,and loosing ALL troops on pp going on higher pp lvl's,and when they loose all troops,and when they think only for few seconds how much time they need to rebuild all those troops,or how much money they need to revive them,they just quit to play this game,and they became USER DELETED,result is that plarium loose costumers,players,you can look on map how much USER DELETED are there,they are high lvl players,their cities are well developed,and its a shame to see and think how much time/money they invested in this game,plarium should respect our time and money invested in this game.
you can see that i care for players and for plarium at the same time,and still dont understand why i was banned 4 times asking game related questions.
"give man a fish and you'll feed him for one day,teach man how to fish and you'll feed him for entire life"
Tonaya 
You can pretty much answer this question on imperial units and persians yourself, fairly quickly, and at little cost. Below I will give you a method to do this. Even if Plarium responds and gives the answer, then you should test their answer anyway (using the method below) before throwing imperials at the persians. I don't think Plarium will give you the answer, because not everyone reads forums and many players will not get a payout when using imperials (because of some other thing they are doing wrong) and Plarium will just get hammered more and more on positions. So, IMO, this is your best bet if you want the answer:
The explanation/method below assumes you already have a good understanding of the persian bank system.
Take two low level, offense positions of the same level, that are also similar in Xerxes' phalanx defense. (If you can't find a pair of positions like this, perhaps wait for them, or pick a pair that is close to these criteria.) I suggest somewhere in the low 30's.
Clear the 1st with only normal promacho.
Clear the 2nd with only imperial promacho.
Please make sure you do this after your bank has been reset, to avoid triggering a payout on lower level.
For each of the two positions, separately, calculate: (resource value of units gained + raw RSS gained) divided by (number of Promacho lost multiplied by standard RSS cost of Promacho). (Note the brackets in the formula.)
If the ratio is non-zero for the imperials test, then imperials probably count some resource value towards the persian bank. If the ratio isn't much different on each of the two positions, then this suggests that imperial Promacho and normal Promacho are probably similar in RSS value counted towards the persian bank. If the ratios are non-zero, but different, then you could add a multiplier to the denominator of the imperials test, and solve for the value of this multiplier that equates the imperial and non-imperial ratios. Note that the ratio mentioned has some randomness built into it, so you can't just test one sample of two positions and draw a solid conclusion. But, this test will at least give you an indication of relative resource value. Maybe it is cheaper to do the above with cretan archers. However, if I was going to use a particular imperial unit type in persians (which I personally won't do), I would first test the above for that unit at least 5 times, depending on how stable the results are.
If the ratio on the imperial test is zero, or much lower than the ratio on normal promachos, then you already have your answer, and you know for sure you should not be using imperials on positions.
However, if the ratios look promising, then you still want to be careful. You can never be sure of your conclusions drawn from the ratio testing, until you get your bank cashed out. For example, maybe imperials have lower resource value, but all their resource value is returned on the same position they died at, making it look like they contribute something to the bank, when they don't. (This is unlikely because it wouldn't make much sense, but point is, until you get a full cash out of your bank, and evaluate, you can't be 100% sure.)
SO IN SUMMARY: If I wanted to use imperials in persians, then I would do the following first:
1: Repeat the above test several times (at least 5) until you got some stability in your ratio testing.
2: If the results of ratio testing look promising to you, then proceed.
3: Hit your last two positions before you expect a full payout of the bank with only imperial troops.
4: If your payout arrives as expected per the ratio tests you did, then you are close to figuring out imperials.
5: This approach should minimise the risk with using imperials while giving you the best information.
6: Suppose Plarium does give an answer to Imperial units' resource value, then I would test their answer anyway using the above method.
I also refer to one of my previous posts on positions, where I advised players to figure things out at lower levels, and to test their understanding. If somebody you knew threw many imperials at the persians without having tested their understanding, then they have only themselves to blame. To ease your concerns around players dropping out because of using imperials at positions: Players who did what you said with imperials would probably have "lost" everything at positions at some point anyway (regardless of using imperials or not). They probably used imperials as a last resort and in a desperate attempt to get the bank to cash out after having "lost" everything else.
