my question is : are the small rewards are standard reward or depend on what you use to kill the prize like we used too...

for example if i kill a lv 50 using only murderers..am i gonna get low reward then if i used ships to kill the prize ?

ligolaspoland said:

my question is : are the small rewards are standard reward or depend on what you use to kill the prize like we used too...

for example if i kill a lv 50 using only murderers..am i gonna get low reward then if i used shipsto kill the prize ?

buddy it does not matter what you use... its the accunulated offence points of any units you use that matters, NOT using brethren, vetren and pardon'd troops on prizes ever is the only thing to tell you.

but back to what lady Blas was saying on ammounts needed... yes it is now taking more troops to clear a prize than what we have charts declaring. I am sure Beafraid will confirm that as she is the biggest player on the server for prizes (or was)

for instance a level 25 prize should take 36,000 points to clear and is now taking 45,000 to clear... yet another massive change... plarium has changed the prize system without first sorting charts on it for the players and without notifying us dedicated prize players that all our efforts to yellow bar as many prizes as possible would a futile endevour...yet another negative for this change.

BlackBart said:

ligolaspoland said:

my question is : are the small rewards are standard reward or depend on what you use to kill the prize like we used too...

for example if i kill a lv 50 using only murderers..am i gonna get low reward then if i used shipsto kill the prize ?

buddy it does not matter what you use... its the accunulated offence points of any units you use that matters, NOT using brethren, vetren and pardon'd troops on prizes ever is the only thing to tell you.

but back to what lady Blas was saying on ammounts needed... yes it is now taking more troops to clear a prize than what we have charts declaring. I am sure Beafraid will confirm that as she is the biggest player on the server for prizes (or was)

for instance a level 25 prize should take 36,000 points to clear and is now taking 45,000 to clear... yet another massive change... plarium has changed the prize system without first sorting charts on it for the players and without notifying us dedicated prize players that all our efforts to yellow bar as many prizes as possible would a futile endevour...yet another negative for this change.

The part of plarium not telling you they did it is the part they want you to figure it out on your own, they see it has a "new challenge"

when the players had worked to figure out how to work around something and the challenge comes easy, i think plarium thinks it's time to fix that, brings a new challenge for us...

as they did with the targets, we found a way to beat it take advantage of it, they changed that made it harder...

now they've done it to the prizes 

well just as long as everyone knows that you will need atleast 1/4 more troop size than what our charts say is needed to clear then, even more if it grows with level %.....which probably means the new system will want 1/4 more that what you've banked alrady with it to pay out to the level your at... so for a big player putting in already 5 millions will have to somehow raise another 1.25 millions at least before getting a decent payout, if such a thing still exists...

guys if you any of you are mugs enough to loose your boats trying this new prize system out then forget all the charts we have and send everything you have at each prize you try, ensuring it is at least 1/2 again as big or bigger than our old charts predict as only by completing a prize in one fell swoop will give you a pittance pay out...

DimGrepo said:

FaZi said:

2-- This system is really helpful for new players specially the one who do not understand banking and they go for prizes, when they get nothing they simply quit it. Now they will be getting units back with various %age and with that they will be determined to take on new ones and get a bigger payout

Not the case, im a new player, and in the space of three days the prize quests have basically seen every decent unit die and i now have a bunch of junks, turtle ships and bonnies...

Pretty much have no fleet or armada now, which wasnt an issue before the changes, i had figured out the system and was going along pretty solidly. 

why on the seven seas would you use armada troops to attack prizes?

most everyone knows never use your armada unless you have already weekin the prize and just killing it off

We learn as we go foreward, when you win armada troops save them, only kill troops you can make... 

DimGrepo said:

FaZi said:

2-- This system is really helpful for new players specially the one who do not understand banking and they go for prizes, when they get nothing they simply quit it. Now they will be getting units back with various %age and with that they will be determined to take on new ones and get a bigger payout

Not the case, im a new player, and in the space of three days the prize quests have basically seen every decent unit die and i now have a bunch of junks, turtle ships and bonnies...

Pretty much have no fleet or armada now, which wasnt an issue before the changes, i had figured out the system and was going along pretty solidly. 

Just as blas mentioned, Never use armada in prizes (but only if you are 100% sure that you will get payout in next prize) simple law in this is lose the units that you can afford to build.

It has been working for many smaller players in my alliance. I recently noticed one thing that prizes less than 10 are giving only pirates units. 

I will ask my CM if this payout is distributed in categories in tiers as well. Hit 9 levels of lower level prizes & on 10th & 11th go for higher available. I hope you will get the bigger payout with better units.

don't listen to Fazi he has no clue what he is talking about.... and don't argue back at me Fazi, what level are you? what level of prizes are you at? far below me thats what.

yes it's right that you should be only using troops you can build, however when your putting millions into a prize level then.. then you should be using fleet on caravels and armada on black corsairs... the type of troop is of no matter.... if you clear a lev 20 with boats or infantry does not determine the prize, the only thing that counts in prizes is the ammount of points your troops come to when killing them into the bank.

gear troops count as nothing for the bank, do not use those, .... brethren troops and veteren troops count as only 1/2 there value in the bank..

so when doing prizes only ever use white sail troops, white sail means boats or infantry that are not brethren,veteren or pardon'd..

FaZi said:

DimGrepo said:

FaZi said:

2-- This system is really helpful for new players specially the one who do not understand banking and they go for prizes, when they get nothing they simply quit it. Now they will be getting units back with various %age and with that they will be determined to take on new ones and get a bigger payout

Not the case, im a new player, and in the space of three days the prize quests have basically seen every decent unit die and i now have a bunch of junks, turtle ships and bonnies...

Pretty much have no fleet or armada now, which wasnt an issue before the changes, i had figured out the system and was going along pretty solidly. 

Just as blas mentioned, Never use armada in prizes (but only if you are 100% sure that you will get payout in next prize) simple law in this is lose the units that you can afford to build.

It has been working for many smaller players in my alliance. I recently noticed one thing that prizes less than 10 are giving only pirates units. 

I will ask my CM if this payout is distributed in categories in tiers as well. Hit 9 levels of lower level prizes & on 10th & 11th go for higher available. I hope you will get the bigger payout with better units.

they don't go in tiers, only NORDS goes in that direction, and ive gotten different type units in smaller prizes, so not sure i agree with that..

what i do find ammusing is that i was trained to complete treasure islands before taking on and finishing prizes

facebook players, don't use that method at all, and it has worked great in plarium... makes you go hmmmhmmm lol

I do not want to argue with some kid who is here to trash talk at others when it comes back to himself he is going to cry out loud as babies.

Suggestion was particular to that player and with respect to his level so it stays that way. There are people who think strategies are same for everyone, i can't comment on those. Because they do not want to listen they want to spread garbage along with their similar personality so i don't even give a ....

In addition to that what i know about game & what level i am etc. There is nothing that you have to do with that so keep yourself away from that. You are simply no one, and not even deserve a tiny bit of my attention. & when you want to learn something you can always consult my replies in multiple threads & i am sure they will help you to control over your whining and try things and might work for you.

Though i am sure prizes are personality detectors as well and they don't want to consider certain types 

& before dragging this trash talk further, remember one thing you are treated the same way you treat others.

You are no one to whom i need to explain this. And i don't even want to waste my important time on such whiners.

& one advice for a whiner lurking around here.

Do not use DC in prizes, use them on adventures. Yes it will take time but at least you don't lose troops in there. DC will cost nothing and you will get your adventure killed. Maybe some people do not know that troops killed in adventures are not counted towards the bank. So the best way is to kill them with troops which have no resource value. 

Gear troops have no value but indirectly they come from resourcesm they take time such as collecting gears etc. so i use them in my PVP fights not in prizes or in adventures

If a player level is high enough he can always kill armada in prizes but there are some who avoid that. 

I will make it two for particular trash talkers

Pardoned units are counted as 1/2 as well.

Blasphemy said:

they don't go in tiers, only NORDS goes in that direction, and ive gotten different type units in smaller prizes, so not sure i agree with that..

what i do find ammusing is that i was trained to complete treasure islands before taking on and finishing prizes

facebook players, don't use that method at all, and it has worked great in plarium... makes you go hmmmhmmm lol

Blas what i meant here, maybe unit type is distributed in prize levels. Not the actual tier thing that is in nords

Just to be more clearer

let say pirate units in level 0-20 prize etc.

Unfortunately i don't have any prize less than 26 to test this. my lowest are starting from mid 20's. It was just the reports that i get from my members.

Fazi.. you are the only one in here who is talking with a mouth like trash... i simply said when it comes to prizes you don't knoiw what your on about.

and you don't.

and yet you once again youv'e turned it into your personal slanging match and again started slanging stuff at me, calling me a child when i am father of 3 grown up children myself, they would not talk to anyone the way you talk to players on here..

saying my personality is garbage.... how dare you.... a representative of Plarium talk to players in such a manner...

i hope your CM reads your posts and sacks you as a moderator as you do not deserve to have that position and talk the way you do to us players.

i don't think i could ever learn anything from any of your posts Fazi other than that you are abusive and abrupt.

and your comment about prizes being a personality detector.... are you saying that players like Beafraid who play this game mostly to do prizes are somewhat seen as lowly by your standards?... i honestly hope your CM boots you after reading these.

FaZi said:

Blasphemy said:

they don't go in tiers, only NORDS goes in that direction, and ive gotten different type units in smaller prizes, so not sure i agree with that..

what i do find ammusing is that i was trained to complete treasure islands before taking on and finishing prizes

facebook players, don't use that method at all, and it has worked great in plarium... makes you go hmmmhmmm lol

Blas what i meant here, maybe unit type is distributed in prize levels. Not the actual tier thing that is in nords

Just to be more clearer

let say pirate units in level 0-20 prize etc.

Unfortunately i don't have any prize less than 26 to test this. my lowest are starting from mid 20's. It was just the reports that i get from my members.

Will look into this further. We can't say anything for sure since this is new system and old strategies are not working. or atleast they have a rare chance.

im curios in how you think pardoned troops in prizes are only half value in resources? 

I do have a question and since this is the only thread I've gotten involved in - I don't know the answer nor is it apparent how to do this.  I would like to send a note to the administrator.  Blasphemy - can you help me here please?  It's not about the prizes though.  Just a note that need to be addressed rather promptly too.

Thanks

BlackBart said:

well Blasphemy ....from trying them out... they become the same as veteren troops in value.. you can pardon veteren troops as well as white sails so i have found that the game reacts in prizes to pardoned boats in the same way as it does with veteren troops and brethren troops may even work out as less than 1/2 points on prizes even though they are the biggest hitters when smashing opposition players.

I new about breth units and gears

just didn't dawn on me once we pardon our troops we loose the resource value of our regular troops and vet troops..

DimGrepo said:

Blasphemy said:

DimGrepo said:

FaZi said:

2-- This system is really helpful for new players specially the one who do not understand banking and they go for prizes, when they get nothing they simply quit it. Now they will be getting units back with various %age and with that they will be determined to take on new ones and get a bigger payout

Not the case, im a new player, and in the space of three days the prize quests have basically seen every decent unit die and i now have a bunch of junks, turtle ships and bonnies...

Pretty much have no fleet or armada now, which wasnt an issue before the changes, i had figured out the system and was going along pretty solidly. 

why on the seven seas would you use armada troops to attack prizes?

most everyone knows never use your armada unless you have already weekin the prize and just killing it off

We learn as we go foreward, when you win armada troops save them, only kill troops you can make... 

Because as already stated, i am a NEW PLAYER.

New players dont learn these things straight away, it takes us time to figure things out, work out how things work.

A few posts up its stated that the changes make it BETTER FOR NEW PLAYERS....

This is not the case.. new players dont know how to work the prizes properly, so send whatever offence they can at the prizes.. the result is, they lose all their offence and get 10 bonnies, 6 marauders, 12 junks, 12 turtle ships as their reward.

You may know not to use armada prizes but a NEW PLAYER does not know this.. 

if you read my post it was in response to this

2-- This system is really helpful for new players specially the one who do not understand banking and they go for prizes, when they get nothing they simply quit it. Now they will be getting units back with various %age and with that they will be determined to take on new ones and get a bigger payout

If anything, the system is completely unhelpful for new players, for the very reason that they DONT UNDERSTAND BANKING and go for prizes with whatever offence they have and end up with no offence left. 

(And i used fleet and armada because i cannot produce marauder and bessies at a fast enough rate - BEING A NEW PLAYER - to clear the prizes, and if i do clear a prize with 500 bessies, losing say, 300 of them, my reward is 12 turtle ships and 12 junks so its hardly any use. )

Okay i get you are new i get that you don't know the ways of the prizes to benefit from them, but neither did any of us when we first started out, we learned as we went along... not many of us had someone to tell us how to do something, we learned....

As you will and every other new player, they to will kill troops they should get discouraged and walk away, but the true pirate 

will stick around untill they have mastered all the adventures plarium gives us

DireWolf Sigyn said:

being a little bit of a 'newer' player and level 66, i have been unhappy with the changes... first i would do higher level prizes since the lower levels simply did not pay off... at all... and at first i would get rewarded every two or maybe three times... and it was fair and i would grow my fleet. Then the past week i would play maybe 6 or more and only get 1 prize payout...all from high levels. The payout was nice, but it didn't make up for a lot of my losses and I had to stop.  Now playing today i win every time, yet the payoff is horrible compared to how i lost... i got troops from a high level prize! sorry, but i think ships would be better as rum consumption needs to be taken into account.. not all of us are major coiners that can buy back my losses.  i understand the games want to make people spend money to get their troops back, but for prizes that is unacceptable. I have it narrowed down to practically a science in what to send and win so I know it cannot be what I am sending. There is no point to doing prizes if you cannot have any gain. I would destroy my whole fleet if I were to empty out the lighthouse in hopes of one big prize...if i were to even have the troops to do so...

I'm perfectly okay !!

First let me apologize for posting in a duplicate thread, I thought I was in this thread. I didn't have a clue there was more than one thread about the prize change. There should only be 1, possibly combining the 2 would help. But may I apologize that I posted in a duplicate thread. It wasn't my intent.

I did a test today on prizes, I have a spreadsheet from all my prizes, and what it use to take to defend or raid one. What I found was a 12% increase to do prizes now on each one. So it takes more troops/ships to do prizes now. I was testing. It's been time for me have my big win again, I've always kept up with my banking down to the time I could tell you I would win. Well it didn't happen. Still hasn't happened. You aren't going to get the big payouts we use to. Sorry, for those that quote that banking is still the same. Well it's not. sorry but i've tested it. In addition to it now taking 12% more to defend or raid them, to win what, 15 bonnies on 1 to defend, to win 1 bonnie. and it goes on and on from there. I upped my prizes a little each time, and the same occured. How anyone would think that this is beneficial to small players, lol what a joke. I used probably 3 million worth of defense an offense, and never got anymore than 20k in return if I got that much. Like I said, it was time for my big win, it never came. So no banking isn't the same. This is just an excuse to get players to spend more money to buy their fleet out of the infirmary, buying more rubies. If you don't play the game, then how to you know? Just quoting what plarium is telling you, well I wouldn't do that unless I knew the facts.

@Wombat, thank you for the advice, i appreciate that. I have also been in multiple communities and not just a mod or a forum admin. Difference between me and others are i can't tolerate few things i communicated multiple times. I never had such worse players to deal with. Anyhow it is over now.  Thank you again for your advice.

@Linda, i am glad to know atleast there is someone who accepts their mistake instead of pointing fingers and others. We communicated what Alyona posted earlier in this thread. To be frank this is the biggest protest that i have seen in Pirates community until yet.

Players coped up with treasure island, i am afraid many of us will not with this new change. All we can do is push CM's a bit to reconsider the decision.

The problem is there are lot of people involved in such decisions so it is not just CM who will revert it. Their are Product Managers, Design & Development department and than there is one department that monitors the game activity & report it to the upper management.

So many factors have to play their role in this, we can't say anything for sure and i am afraid not our CM's either.

They will read this thread, i already forward them the link to this thread and now waiting for their reply.