hello
You change the system but what there are losses before it? I lost in the 10 million powers and I planned to make a girl to go back up slowly towards big position to redo me, how I am going to get back my losses now? Before it it was not easy, now that is going to become impossible.
I would be willing some explanations if you know how to give them to me
Dragoon said:
If I'm understanding this right we're still somewhat using the old system with a new twist on it.
We will still get the 70% of our armies back that we've invested into the bank for the Persian positions but rather than waiting for the rewards to come to us all at once like they used to, we get on average 30% of our forces back after every battle as we continue to try and put in our investments of 70% for the big payouts. The 30% back after every battle then is just to keep us in the battle as you mentioned as we work our way up to the big payoff, it's just a longer, more drawn out process because of the 30% we're getting back after every battle.
I can understand having to answer the same questions thousands of times gets a bit old quickly but I can imagine your e-mails have been flooded since the introduction of this change with new questions and complaints. I did see one suggestion here that was a neat idea, adding something like an investment bar so that we're not having to find and use spreadsheets to keep tracks of things ourselves. Something else that may help is information like a wiki more readily available from you guys being that you guys have all the information available to ya's with just a few clicks of your mouse and some code to read through. I'm not saying you have access to the game files, Leonidas but your higher ups do, perhaps they could trickle some of their knowledge down to help form a wiki that coalitions and friends can send people to rather than hit and miss information gathered by other players so that they don't feel the need to have to ask the same questions over and over, they can just get a link and do a bit of reading.
As for the really big investments, why not just set a reasonable cap per level like we have max rewards, instead of having to invest 195 million resources, cap it at 10 million for rewards depending on the level and average amount it generally takes to complete that certain position?
Just my opinion.
I do appreciate y'alls concern for us but some things are a learning process, trial and error.
Yes I understand, wiki helped a lot me and I had a good method to make the Persians.
Only my losses are before the new system, and I doubt that I am going to manage to be able to make the maintaining Persians, my position max is 111, my the smallest become bigger and bigger, if I do not affect a big earnings(gain) on the smallest I am going to have to produce for a long time, with the former system I shall have gone back up in some days
game is ruined now and not worth playing. it would be best to put it back the way it was or i bet many will quit playing. it always paid out the old way but only when you met the bank and interest amout
Thing will change, same like the Multi event rather than story event that were only appear once every week.
This new position system is new and most of us didnt get what we call profitable reward, if only plarium could set higher the reward per position complete and rare reward during completing multi position then we won't be so heart broken losing so much unit from normal reward position.
hoping there will be slightly changes to the position, so we could enjoy the game on earning profitable unit from reward rather than losing them often and end up decrease in number of unit.
Those who experience this kind of loses should give out opinion here so that LEonidas could find a good solution to solve this kind of tragic.
Just to clarify.
All the resources in your bank did not change. Your losses from the old system still apply toward rewards in the new system.
When you fail a position, but you were close to completing it, 30% of your army will survive and come back. You can't abuse this. That 30% did not engage in combat at all. That means they did not inflict any casualties. The battle results are the same as if you had sent only 70% of that army.
For the people who aren't number crunchers, things worked out like this.
Old System
Big loss, big loss, big loss, big loss, big payout
^At this point, you're close to 0% original strength and have 110% of the last payout banked.
New System
Small(er) loss (since you gain a percentage back immediately), small loss, small loss, small loss, small loss, small loss, small loss, small loss, big payout
Before the big payout you're close to ~0-10% original strength and have 110% of the last big payout banked, and it has to be actually banked.
A very important note: the overall rewards are the same. Ahem. The overall rewards are the same. You're just going to be playing a lot longer, which is good when it comes to position tournaments or getting value (e.g. combat experience, enjoyment) from your units.
Another note, agreements benefit you a lot more. Under the old system, you had to lose 110% of your last payout no matter what. It didn't matter how strong they were. Under the new system, you still have to lose 110% of your last big payout to get another, but you can last a very long time without it. With maxed out agreements, good elixirs, and good army compositions, you can earn up to 75% of your army back on each position. A 40% boost to your units means you lose 40% less, but the payout remains the same. Just remember that you need to lose your army several times over to get a big payout.
I just had a payout of about 4mill worth of resources and paid back over 12 to 15 mill and all positions i finished never did give a payout whats with that.I should not have to put in 3 to 4 times the bank amount to get a payout and when i did it was nothing worth mentioning even though it was levels 40 and up
codyscott said:
I just had a payout of about 4mill worth of resources and paid back over 12 to 15 mill and all positions i finished never did give a payout whats with that.I should not have to put in 3 to 4 times the bank amount to get a payout and when i did it was nothing worth mentioning even though it was levels 40 and up
Was the 12 to 15 mill out of your own pocket or did they come from the units you got back?
I hit a dozen positions with only ridiculoulsy small to mediocre payouts. Not any big one, and I was half way to a 9 M bank payback when the new system started.
As I said above, in then end, I had thrown 20.5 M to get 17.8 M in various units and resources (that now drop much often, unfortunately).
What I can see now is you get 75% instead of 110%.
I'd be curious to know where it's supposedly the same than before...
Plus the fact you get bits and bobs from the positions you're grinding somewhat ruins all the investment system : you're not really sure if you're still building the bank or restarting all over and if you'll actually get the next payout based on the tiny previous one or not !
I mean, if each payout means the bank restarts all over, there's absolutely no possibility you get any big payout ever (that's simple logic) !
I was wrong earlier regarding pay outs. I tested positions again and YES in addition to small pay outs there is a bigger one after 7-9 small ones. The question is how to know when it would happen?
Do not Believe those who saying it actually profitable reward from random player.
THERE IS NO PROFITABLE REWARD FROM PERSIAN POSITION SYSTEM ANYMORE.
do not get fool by random people trying to tell you how much they earn, instead we lose so much and there nothing left to begin with.
It so obvious that each position you send an army to completing it, it will only killed 70% of you're army and return 30% without any harm, instead the reward given is base on 30% of you're 100% total unit needed to clear that positions.
Example:
500k Def Persian Position
Mounted Peltast Max Agreement is at 850 Defensive base bonus
You need 589 MP to clear
Reward you back 180 of defensive and offensive
589-180=409 Loses, will added to the rare bank
YOU TRY COUNT HOW MANY MORE PERSIAN POSITION YOU NEED TO TAKE DOWN BEFORE YOU CAN GET YOU"RE FREAKING RARE REWARD!!!
PLUS WHEN HAVING LOSES LIKE THIS, THERE NO WAY YOU GONNA HIT LOW LEVEL POSITION.
we are facing a new system that dont know when or how it gonna give you the rare reward not like the old day, this new system it just a whole mess that we need to hit as much as you can to try to get an rare payout, instead in the end....100% of you're army will be spend to this course and ended at 90% return in total from unit to resource.
Oveek said:
This is really crazy from plarium they change the algorithm of persian positions. I think the before position was great & all can figure it out easily. now it become more complicated & they do not clear about what happened to our loss troops which we kill there before the algorithm change? I killed near about 1.5 mill offence & def. troops there. are they gone ?
Not gone but rather say frozen asset at rare reward.
the only thing is you dont know when will you complete a rare reward from all the position appear, so it a big gamble.
even if you get the BIG reward, it only return 90% of you're 100% troop you spend completing most of the positions.
I hit a dozen positions with only ridiculoulsy small to mediocre payouts. Not any big one, and I was half way to a 9 M bank payback when the new system started.
ThatBloke, let's clarify what do you imply by 'big payout'?
As I mentioned in my previous post, rewards are smaller, but constant. Before you had to wait and hit Positions for quite a long time until you get 1 decent payout, and now you receive smaller rewards, but much more often. In the end these smaller payouts are equal the same 'big reward' in the past (however take into consideration some changes in your tactics in hitting Positions after update).
Plus the fact you get bits and bobs from the positions you're grinding somewhat ruins all the investment system : you're not really sure if you're still building the bank or restarting all over and if you'll actually get the next payout based on the tiny previous one or not !
The bank was not reset in the update, you are still building the bank. I am glad to see Archons who succeeded and posted about it in the thread. I hope they will share more information about their experience with others here.
This is really crazy from plarium they change the algorithm of persian positions
Archon Oveek, Plarium hasn't changed the mechanics or algorithms of Persian Positions, they just made changes in the payout system. I actually see it as a positive change, even though we will have to adjust our tactics and strategies in hitting Positions a bit.
New system is working . Just tested and i get masive reward :)
PS: Another test new masive reward . Is more easy i like it.
I was wrong earlier regarding pay outs. I tested positions again and YES in addition to small pay outs there is a bigger one after 7-9 small ones.
bluext08 and Abrasturi, it would be great if you can share more information about your experience and post screenshots of your battle reports.
I also invite other players to share their steps for successfull payouts after update here in the thread, so we can learn from your experience. 
I just defended a level 42 position with 10k def - Persian attack force was 93k. This is not close by any stretch so I was expecting to be wiped out but instead 30% returned. This means they did 7k damage instead of 10k so it will take a lot more attacks to grind down these positions. Something is not right as Leonidas said you get back some troops only if the battle is close.
How much profit from all the Persian Position Reward? Most say Profit, alot say Loses......how much the % exactly do you earn...
Those who say profit never shown any proof even if they show proof that using few army to get big reward is not even consider acceptable because previously been weaken then finish it with decent Army and take the picture and show to us.
For those who say profit, Hit as many position from the begining and take every picture then show us you're profit reward.
I assure you, there no1 here consider earning profit, because i also loses a lot although getting the rare reward from hitting l35 to l58 def/offensive position.
The worse part is cavalry+phalanx loses turn into Light+heavy Unit Reward......not even close to the total amount stat of the loses.
PrimeGuardian, every player has his/her own reward progression stage. While the system works the same way for all players, payouts and rewards depend on strategies, tactics and approaches players use.
Other Archons can share general principles and advices, however it doesn't mean that your experience will be completely the same.
so mister Leonidas the admin, if i fill up all my lvl 67-75 positions to 1 bar am i still gonna get payout from 11 positions on 1 bar worth + 12th position hit? coz i dont see any other option no more to get decent payout then to invest like this troops (resources) into them and then hit 2nd highest position i have for payout but i need confirmation before i spend a bilion light heavy and phalax and chartage killing all to 1 bar down. ty for your time.
Great update!!!!! 
