Greetings, 

is any chance here to have a Persians positions bank reset sometimes, because if, we receive for example 1000 agema by last payout, and kill them all in another pvp quest, if no reset of pp bank, we must then produce another 1100 agema to can receive a new full reward? in this case we can leave at once the game! all loses must count to pp bank, is much fairer so!

No mention of removing gp from the persian mission rewards either

TheElitePhantom said:

el_bardera said:

How many people have to complain until Plarium realizes that players dislike completely the changes?

Until now, 95% of the comments are unfavorable.

Players are more that dissapointed. Players are clearly angry.

Plarium, how many angry players will you need until you notice that you have make a big mistake and bring back the old system? 

 

The forum posts are not the only indicator of whether or not people like a change. In fact, the people who do like the change are busy playing positions instead of posting on the forums.

Are you sure? how do you know it? You dont have any clue of what the people who don't write in the forums think. You just suppose that they thing what is favourable to you (as I may suppose that they think like me) It is a very weak argument against a clear one:hundreds of complaints. I can't understand why are you ignoring this thread so arrogantly.

el_bardera said:

How many people have to complain until Plarium realizes that players dislike completely the changes?

Until now, 95% of the comments are unfavorable.

Players are more that dissapointed. Players are clearly angry.

Plarium, how many angry players will you need until you notice that you have make a big mistake and bring back the old system? 

 

The forum posts are not the only indicator of whether or not people like a change. In fact, the people who do like the change are busy playing positions instead of posting on the forums.

I sent defensive troops to a level 99 defensive pp, the game my offense instead of my defense and kill all my offensive troops. i want my offense back. All I had was defensive persians so you have bug. I have spent a lot on this game and if you don't make this right I will quit the game. Restore my offense immediately. This is dated for tomorrow the 18th so you need to fix these bugs.

 

Uncle Junior said:

And the people that arent happy with the change are being hushed on the forums and have been asked to address plarium in private. While no changes have been done regarding top players requests Im not really certain how long will we stay in the game. You can speculate as much as you want that people actually do love the change, but the reality is very different. I assure you after this summer manny will never return to sparta and only because of the persian change. People said what they had to say, they were asked to stop stating their opinion and nothing has changed. Nothing else left to do but leave.

The public discussion degenerated as people were hopping onto the bandwagon with nothing to add. Private discussions became more effective of learning what the players really wanted. 

I'm not supporting the game anymore, im now a walking dead, everyday login look at the left over army at acropolis directly no mood, logout and play other game.......

i will, and it not call moaning, it call informing.

there is no change from the persians position at all, still running at the guarantee reward of every complete position.

it seem you never try them out, so you don't know how ugly it was.

try spend most of you're army there and see how ugly the result is, well i have lose almost 70% of my army to the bank and havent gotten it back.

PrimeGuardian said:

I'm not supporting the game anymore, im now a walking dead, everyday login look at the left over army at acropolis directly no mood, logout and play other game.......

plarium oh plarium, you guys sure know how to throw a dead cat in a party, good bye.

Dude please just quit the game and take your constant moaning with you...you whine more than my 2 year old

they've changed it, deal with it or quit

Well, that was quite unexpected, but it finally came by surprise :

Of course, this happened after lots of weak partial payouts.

So I guess what was previously lost was actually stored to raise the bank, an I could modify the speadsheet so take both total losses and partial payouts in account, but I'm still really unable to guess WHEN the big payout is upposed to drop...

Remember I had a 9.5 M bank half paid back when they changed the system, then after I had finished all the pre-weakened down positions, i had spent over 20 M to get 17.5 M back.

It went the same way for another dozen of positions or so, then suddenly, this.

It may of course seem weak, but do'nt forget to add all the previous partials... I've stopped calculating (but now I will start over again from this point), but I should have lost around an additional 5 M to get these 6.8 M back, so if I add up all the losses and payouts from July 2nd (my last regular big payout), I've probably earned 5% over total investment, so it looks like it's still working the old way after all.

The real concern is it's actually unpredictable, so someone throwing horses and phalanx hoping for the jackpot may end up naked. That's why I'm building lots of infantry for Persians while building more phalanx and cavalry for PVP purposes, as you can see. :)

Actually, if there are a few phalanx on the above screen, it's only because I wanted to try a hit for the current tournament. Else I would have waited another day or two, and probably missed the tournament end.

Here I've probably ben lucky. Or maybe the time was right... The problem is I just can't figure out for now ! :p

today i hit a l55 def position, 350 thuere end up losing 233 getting 101 trojan and 35 spartan promachos

-i was like....oh gosh, the bank amount so high and yet it still taking out my personal unit without big reward, mood down

then i send the rest of the promachos with 5 agema cavalry and 20 swordman to a 1 bar l62 offensive position to weaken it or if can complete it.

once the report appear, it shown all unit dead except 1 swordman return with the reward of 277 agema cavalry and 57 mounted peltast.

the reward only worth of 30% of my total loses of 2.4m defensive and 1.2m offensive of cavalry, now i have cavalry to raid for resource, but i really dont know if there any chance will get back the 2.4m defensive unit at bank, because there is no more defensive unit to hit those l55 onward that cost 350-500k of persians raper.

A good friend of mine just won 2403 Promachoi + 480 Thuerophoroi out of a level 78 position.

He used the old calculation system, only substracting all partial payouts from the bank to know where he is. This one even fell half way from paying back the bank, actually, as he was growing impatient and decided to finish this one off. :D

So all we can say for now is :

- Yes, the bank system is still working, but partial payouts make it growing slower ;

- Payouts (I mean, real, serious ones) trigger in a quite unpredictable manner... :(

this is the reason  im  willing to leave  game and never playing that  retard persians  positions anymore lost more then 20 million

and im not alone from now  on hope plairum plays alone this game is not worth  to play anymore

rgds can

all i see is only 2 moderators defending this new plarium's system:) but, can those 2 moderators explain me, how this can happen:

1. my pay out 18 k m/p s. killed those, killed all partials, killed another 10 %- another pay out 18 k m/p s

2. killed those 18 k m/p s again, killed partials, killed another 10 %- another 18 k m/p s

3. same thing, all dead + extra- 6 k macs...

so what is the point of doing pp any more?

Hi

What was wrong with the first system ?

Big spenders and regular players are asking you to reconsider what you did ? you took from use the only way to get armies. Us who dont put much of real credit ingame,  persians really helped to get armies. For those big spenders enabled them to raise armies by doing persians not theyre losing armies.

You only done this to make more money from people who lose all and in order to keep playing they need to revive. Some also did that before to have even bigger armies but now if you do persians youre always losing.

Or am i wrong only payout i saw was from moderator which doesnt tell me anything. i can get in payout 5 k agemas but if i lost 10 k agemas im still not getting back what i put in and i think that is what persians were meant to do...slowly rising your army little by little now we just lose. Really that is not a game i started playing and enjoy playing it

Regards G

Close this topic already.

Why allow people post about something you don't want to listen about?

And a quick read through the posts could tell you easily that most of the people don't like the new system.

You (Plarium) do not listen and do not care, so close this topic already, its useless.

Not a big spender but seriously considering rage quit the game

Uhm forgot you don't care.

Well close this topic !

The new positions seem to be designed so that people with large armies and high postions lose so many troops they are forced to buy new ones. All the big players are going to leave if the havent already left. This is not a way to treat the best players of the game but I guess you just want random casual players and dont care about retaining the high level players. Your startegy does not make economic sense and you are destroying this game.  

The worst part of all this is that we didnt get any warning, many people had many troops banked that are now lost because like myself they are no longer doing positions with the new system. To continue with the new system I would loose even more. If we would have been informed of the change people would of cleared thier banks before the change. I feel you have stolen about 4 mil worth of troops from me in the so called bank because I will not play these new persians and loose eveything like many high level players have done.

I cant raid King Leo so I guess the only way to go to war here is to keep the wallet closed until this is reversed, or eventually quit if it takes to long.

This new improve system still running at the most horrible payout ever.

i have lost alot of my army previously, and now after using clearing about 5-7 more position i found out that my old loses never been repay me back making me losing another 1.1m defensive army and 600k offensive to this few completed position.

my old loses is 2.4m and 600k offensive after added with the new clear position with no big reward my loses has reach 3.5m defensive and 1.2m offensive.

the previous big reward of 277 agema actually gonna lose back because it only 30% of my previous old loses unit, now after sending the army to clear some of the position i have lose 3x the value of the previous reward of 277 agema.Those moderator showing how profit they are all lier and big fat loser, they wanna support plarium for this scam so they could get pay by drachma and keep their freaking army rebuild while we lose so many and they ignore us and showing some lunatic big payout instead at the beggining they have lose more than they earn and say earning 110% from their loses, shame on you moderator.

stop making fools outta us, people are quitting this game and you guys still know how to "throw a dead cat to a party", if you dont understand this meaning go check the internet for answer.

Dear Moderator, stop making fool outta us by showing the big reward of your's, we all know it has high loses at the beggining and the reward only not even consider the total loses you have lose, stop joking around with us, we know better than you moderator the scammer