Marius, 

to be honest, not even a blinded guy doesn't see, that an enemy HP based attack would hit very hard in cb. 

And to calculate the dmgout in this simple game is not rocket sience.

so there are 3 possibilities

1) ure not testing or calculating a single second new characters at all, just throwing out new pixles

2) dev team is stupid and doesn't understand their own simple gamemechanics

3) it is intended to get nerfed

By all means, there is no other possibility. So the only thing u get out is to apologize and reset this character with full compensation of materials and EP.

cheets zul

Completely agree with the above post.

As an IT-guy my first reaction is: You are not testing champs before releasing them?

Hard to imagine, so that bring us to the next point: Meant to be nerfed?

Thanks... also just leveled her up to 50, fully ascended and booked as well.

The posts about testing are bang on, to not notice that a character you design with a max hp damage attack will do well against the clan boss is kind of unbelievable. So maybe giving her that attack was a mistake?

This is from the champ spotlight page:

Notice anything missing?

So now the devs need to dial her back a bit, just dont penalise players that have used hard/slow to get resources on her.

I hope nothing is intentional, just to make players use up stuff (so they'll spend more) but the tomes upgrade & skill description still being misleading makes me wonder sometimes (plus thats what most of these games seem to do, squeeze money from 'addicted' players)

Notice anything missing?

So now the devs need to dial her back a bit, just dont penalise players that have used hard/slow to get resources on her.

I hope nothing is intentional, just to make players use up stuff (so they'll spend more) but the tomes upgrade & skill description still being misleading makes me wonder sometimes (plus thats what most of these games seem to do, squeeze money from 'addicted' players)

@Marius in one of your posts in this thread you stated "We recognize there was an issue with testing this Champion and we will take steps to avoid it in the future. Due to a number of factors, Champions were shuffled between the packs they were initially planned for, other issues have arisen and required extensive resources to test and remove, so Steel Bowyer more or less slipped through the cracks. But, again, we will do our best to keep her as a strong and a viable Champion."

  Since you do recognize in this situation that there was an issue wouldn't it be suitable to do some kind of Rare tome compensation or such for players that have invested heavily in this champion ?

 I did not see him on the balance list either.

I know it has probably been said before, so I'm just echoing the suggestion.  

It is really disappointing to pour resources into a champion and see it nerfed.  There should be some compensation (not monetary) for these type of adjustments due to the rarity of tomes that players can receive which go into a champion.  At the very least rares which are overperforming should move to an Epic or Legendary status for those players that have acquired them.  Sure, consider the damage done by the champion, but also consider Increasing the upgrading process for the champion or other options where the investment put into a champion is not lost. 

This kind of thing causes me to hoard the tomes I have because if I invest it into a champion I'm afraid it will get nerfed and I feel like I am losing what I invested in them.    

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for replying Marius. I really don't want to come across as whiny in these posts, it's just frustrating when stuff like this happens in games (magnified in long grinding/looting ones)

Plus the players don't want tons of free stuff for no reason, just cover for whatever we've glued into a champ that will probably be used a lot less (I know, I know, we havent seen the changes yet)

& I'm now reluctant to use any upgrade on any champ, mainly because of being burnt by similar events in other games, but it'll happen again in this game, no matter how careful the devs are.

You've got a great game here & I really enjoy it, a few tweaks (eg. ugraded % skill descriptions) & it'll be even better.

Cheers 👍

Everyone who spent tomes, energy for levels should be refunded. 

I am curious as to how you can "hotfix" aka "nerf" a champion so fast, but yet let Legendary Champions that have been useless set around for month's??

I guess ya'll need better Dev's...

One's that know how to code and can actually do "Hotfixes"  to any champion, even ones that need "buffing". 

The funny thing is... I'm pretty sure there are folks playing this game that could actually do a better job of balancing, coding and "fixing" champions than the current Devs.

SB was meant to be used in the Fusion, so just add her to this so called list of champions that need to be "Re-Balanced".... and when you start actually fixing your Legendary Champs... then the Epic Champs, and you'll work your way down to the Rare Champs.  I do have a Legendary:  Shirimani in which Chofly (Youtuber) ranked her at 29 in his Legendary Ranking List. 

I liked SB... but I am currently looking for a replacement....I just got Ripper, but he's a MaxHP damage champion, and with only 1 attack seems kinda useless.... oh and he's and Epic!  

zany said:

I am curious as to how you can "hotfix" aka "nerf" a champion so fast, but yet let Legendary Champions that have been useless set around for month's??

I guess ya'll need better Dev's...

It's because they need new management, not better devs.  The management sees profit in nerfing champions.  Makes people have to buy more shards, farm for leveling up other champions, etc. 

They don't see an immediate profit in buffing or fixing champions, so they keep holding it off for new things to sell, like a ton of energy for this ongoing fusion event.  They are not thinking of retention with this game, just immediate revenue.  No idea why, as they are killing their repeat business in the process. 

I have seen at least a few dozen people since this fusion and 1.8 debacle saying they stopped spending money and/or quit altogether because of it.  If that's what it takes for them to learn though, I hope they DO at least learn from it.  After they destroyed my Pain Keeper I bought tomes for, I am most certainly not spending money anymore on the game.

Marius,

I think the issue here is getting a little misconstrued. I completely agree with you on compensation for balance changes. I agree with the logic behind it too. If you give compensation for nerfs people will feel like they are owed compensation for any tiny thing that occurs in game that they disagree with. This is true. We all agree with this.

However, that’s not what happened here. We aren’t asking for compensation because steel bowyer is getting nerfed, we are asking for compensation because plarium made a mistake in releasing the champion before fully testing her. This case is unique and different from a balance change. You’re right, do not compensate the players for nerfs. But compensate the players when they aren’t the ones that messed up. You have already stated that the testing falls on your end, not ours. The mistake falls on your end, not the players. Sticking to your guns, and classifying this mistake as a “balance change” is the wrong attitude when that is not why players are upset. 

I won’t deign to understand marketing or programming or moderating as well as you folks over at plarium do, but I will claim to understand people. (Not better, just the same as you).  Believe me when I say this has nothing to do with anger over a balance change. It has everything to do with anger over being punished for a mistake not made by the players. You can’t honestly tell me that this isn’t a special circumstance after already stating that steel bowyer slipped through the cracks in your testing department? Our compensation isn’t just an apology when people have invested into it, because it wasn’t our mistake. On the other hand if you can state that this isn’t a special circumstance than I suppose what’s the point of having a public affairs department, the people aren’t being heard regardless... 

It’s a great game. Raid is better than the others. It’s going to make money, experiences, and entertainment for a long time to come, but that’s because it’s different. That’s because it does listen to it’s players. That’s because it does understand the relationship between devs and fans. The other games, didn’t get that. Blizzard is one of the largest games with the largest player bases in the world. Take a tip out of their book and not the ones that fail. People left summoner wars, Star Wars, etc for this game because it was different. Don’t become another game on the list by refusing to understand the heart of the problem people are expressing.

We don’t want compensation because you plan on nerfing steelbowyer. We want compensation because it wasn’t our mistake and yet we are the one suffering for it.

If the nerf is meant to keep steelbowyer viable that’s fine and we appreciate that. However, give the books back and let the players decide if the hero is still viable. Some won’t reinvest just to spite you, some will reinvest because they appreciate the changes, but either way the players are still playing. They don’t feel like this was a scheme to get them to waste resources (which I don’t believe to be true for a minute). I’m not trying to  relate a foundation for compensating on nerfs because it isn’t the nerf people are upset about. This is a special circumstance.

Deceitful said:

Seriously? I've wasted so many tomes and food on Pain Keeper and Steel Bowyer. We need some sort of reimbursement for ruining champions. It takes a lot of time and effort to build a champion just to have it nerfed in an instant and destined for the vault.

Agreed, how about an option to reset nerfed legends to their starting rank and level with:

1. chickens reimbursed for increased rank 
2. skill tomb reimbursed
3. skill books for compensate for level/energy wasted
4. potions reimbursed

Easy. Make her an epic or legendary. It is an easy change. Why nerf her? Raise her level. 

People who invested in her are happy.

She fits in the power hierarchy, you are happy. 

People that have her continue to pay $$$ to level her up. Your investors are happy. 

You reduce her future chance to be aquired to her new level, and she becomes more rare over time. The game designers are happy.

Everyone wins. Case closed.

Anesthetic said:

However, that’s not what happened here. We aren’t asking for compensation because steel bowyer is getting nerfed, we are asking for compensation because plarium made a mistake in releasing the champion before fully testing her. This case is unique and different from a balance change. You’re right, do not compensate the players for nerfs. But compensate the players when they aren’t the ones that messed up. You have already stated that the testing falls on your end, not ours. The mistake falls on your end, not the players. Sticking to your guns, and classifying this mistake as a “balance change” is the wrong attitude when that is not why players are upset. 

I appreciate the thoughtful feedback, however, there can be no Champion nerfs that are caused by players as a matter of fact. We have also tested Steel Bowyer, but no amount of pre-release testing can replace a Champion or feature going live and being put to use by the Community. When I say that we recognize the issue and will take steps to avoid it happening again I am not saying "our testers messed up", I am saying "due to numerous reasons the Champion's full potential damage output was not recognized in time, we've taken it into account for future releases". 

Hi,

First let me say, MARIUS you are very good at keeping people up to date so Kudos for that. Second, when I see your AVI I want to punch it in the face, in game of course..... because the sales that image comes up with are ridiculous.

Just figured I would add my 2 cents. While I see why everyone is bickering about steel bow they shouldn't, things like this happen in video games all the time. Not only these Gacha games but even on console. Do we get any sort of compensation because of it, hardly ever. The point is, ok you lost some materials (Tomes - some of the rarest in the game) You know there will be more events and more will drop from chests so PLEASE stop bickering about what can't be undone. While it would be nice to see her bumped up to epic, let's be honest she isn't worth the change of color. She is terrible besides her one move and we all know this is a fact no changing that. 

How about we bicker more about how dumb this event schedule was? Like 2 dungeon divers and then 2 summoning events back to back not giving us a chance to recover from the first? But oh we got these here chickens for sale, and these shard packages that are wayyyy overpriced for a mobile game. Come on folks lets bicker about that, something with an actual cause. If you are going to do an event like this you should have planned it better. 95% of the toons that we are grinding for are 150% trash, I am yet to find any that have value because they all look terrible. You are requiring a total of 16 toons for one ok toon. I get it he is a legendary and most people like myself have 0 Legos/legendary pokemon, but at this rate I feel my first one will be from finishing the missions and that would be artbiter... 

Back to the schedule, where in Teleria is the Artifact upgrade event when I had all of this silver? See you folks focus on the wrong things and this is what is wrong with the world today. Play the game, Enjoy, once you don't then delete the game that simple.. Leave Marius he is busy making more Memes for their sales..... 

Players will make mistakes all the time, accidently using resources on the 'wrong' characters, but don't come crying to plarium for refunds.

But anyway, all very clear now, plarium messed up somewhere & have told some of the players who use the forums about it. Be grateful for that & go about your business, nothing to see here.

Also check out the new pack offers in game!

(Btw, might want to lock the announcement about steel bowyers new asset worth, come release, just so you don't get more moaners who didn't notice this heads up announcement)

Oops, I've dropped a star off of my google play review for Raid, my mistake, I'll try to make sure it won't happen again. (Just thought I'd let you know)