A simple, yet fundamental question:

Have you made the effort to test which one - (HP) or (ATK) is the primary multiplier from the damage based on (HP)(ATK)? 

The mounting king shown in this picture has ridiculously low attack - 1432 + 1071... 

He may scale off of HP, as part of the damage, but the attack part is still going to face the DEF part of the enemy, and I think(based on other games experiences), that in this game ATK battles with DEF as well, regardless of having extra multipliers. 

Of course, as I asked, it is crucial which one of a 2 given multipliers is the main damage giver. 

If I'm correct, I cannot test (don't have him), and his ATK is crucial part as well as DEF being in a sparring match with ATK, leaving what's left to be multiplied along with the HP... than, no wonder you might not hit as hard as you would expect and why you most probably will be ineffective versus highest of Arena teams, which all, including the ATK based champions would have high level of DEF. 

Plus, why are you building him with Crit Damage set? 

Build him with freaking Helm Smasher and Savage set and people will die left and right.... 

Yeah, I know, I don't have him, I don't know how big of a "garbage" he is... build him properly, right gear, right stats, right team composition and of course, find which are the champions that are his cryptonite... then and only then he can be titled "garbage" hero. 

I mean, he has this HP for a reason, so you can put whatever gear you want, and with little to none hp% from substats to get decent HP while all along you have some savage ATK, DEF, Speed, or whatever and definitely a cool x4 piece set.

I've face him and hi hits like crazy. Especially if I need to focus on someone else... oh man. 

So, once again, my question is - is his HP main multiplier or is it his ATK? 

p.s. Enotpwnz is showing this screen shot for a reason - Mountain King hits hard and doesn't leave people standing. 

SeekThemOut said:

A simple, yet fundamental question:

Have you made the effort to test which one - (HP) or (ATK) is the primary multiplier from the damage based on (HP)(ATK)? 

The mounting king shown in this picture has ridiculously low attack - 1432 + 1071... 

He may scale off of HP, as part of the damage, but the attack part is still going to face the DEF part of the enemy, and I think(based on other games experiences), that in this game ATK battles with DEF as well, regardless of having extra multipliers. 

Of course, as I asked, it is crucial which one of a 2 given multipliers is the main damage giver. 

If I'm correct, I cannot test (don't have him), and his ATK is crucial part as well as DEF being in a sparring match with ATK, leaving what's left to be multiplied along with the HP... than, no wonder you might not hit as hard as you would expect and why you most probably will be ineffective versus highest of Arena teams, which all, including the ATK based champions would have high level of DEF. 

Plus, why are you building him with Crit Damage set? 

Build him with freaking Helm Smasher and Savage set and people will die left and right.... 

Yeah, I know, I don't have him, I don't know how big of a "garbage" he is... build him properly, right gear, right stats, right team composition and of course, find which are the champions that are his cryptonite... then and only then he can be titled "garbage" hero. 

I mean, he has this HP for a reason, so you can put whatever gear you want, and with little to none hp% from substats to get decent HP while all along you have some savage ATK, DEF, Speed, or whatever and definitely a cool x4 piece set.

I've face him and hi hits like crazy. Especially if I need to focus on someone else... oh man. 

So, once again, my question is - is his HP main multiplier or is it his ATK? 

p.s. Enotpwnz is showing this screen shot for a reason - Mountain King hits hard and doesn't leave people standing. 

p.s. 2  MASTERIES!?!? How do you build him, is it the proper mastery combo or not?

tired him with ATK gear, of course, it is worst the problem with Mountain Trash is that he needs a team build around him so he can be good in the arena offense only. anywhere else is useless.

i tried the same gear on Sir Nicholas but with more speed and he does 3 times the damage.

so if you get him do not waste your time or resources. 

MK is a monster, a unique combination of high hp and high dmg output, one of the highest dmg output in game and the highest base HP in game. I have half of all legos, he's my strongest pure single target attacker: my MK can do 150k dmg on anyone in arena, including high defense guys such as Nic, Rhazin, Martyr and Co, I don't think anyone can have enough hp to withstand his A2, even in top 50 platinum.

He can solo mino 15, one shot some keep 15 bosses, nuke dragon in few hits. 

Put lots of HP on him (90k-100k easily), atk is not a priority, using a savage set and an immortal set. Use helmbreaker tier 6 mastery. His 3 skills are all very strong, A2 the strongest because most of the time it will simply ignore defense (from skill + savage + helmbreaker).

If you want to see him in action, there's a good video by Raid OverSimplified that will confirm the above points. 

Calyptix said:

MK is a monster, a unique combination of high hp and high dmg output, one of the highest dmg output in game and the highest base HP in game. I have half of all legos, he's my strongest pure single target attacker: my MK can do 150k dmg on anyone in arena, including high defense guys such as Nic, Rhazin, Martyr and Co, I don't think anyone can have enough hp to withstand his A2, even in top 50 platinum.

He can solo mino 15, one shot some keep 15 bosses, nuke dragon in few hits. 

Put lots of HP on him (90k-100k easily), atk is not a priority, using a savage set and an immortal set. Use helmbreaker tier 6 mastery. His 3 skills are all very strong, A2 the strongest because most of the time it will simply ignore defense (from skill + savage + helmbreaker).

If you want to see him in action, there's a good video by Raid OverSimplified that will confirm the above points. 

Calyptix you are full of Chit

my Mountain trash has 87k power and does max 50k come on don't bullsht me.

1. Please show me a screenshot of your MK that does 150k damage on anyone in the arena, I bet you do not even have him

2. His 3 skills are all very strong?? what are you crazy?

(A1 Attacks 1 enemy.) really a legendary !

(A2 Attacks 1 enemy. Ignores 50% of the target’s DEF. has a 5 turn cooldown really 5 turns!

(A3 Attacks 1 enemy. Ignores [Shield] and [Block Damage] buffs.) other champions!   CRYPT WITCH EPIC A1 Attacks 1 enemy. Deals 30% more damage if the target has any buffs. Will ignore [Shield] and [Block Damage] buffs.  MADMAN A3  RARE Attacks 1 enemy. Will ignore 30% of the target’s DEF. Ignores [Block Damage] and [Shield] buffs.  FACELESS A3 EPIC Attacks 1 enemy. Will ignore [Shield] and [Block Damage] buffs as well as DEF.

and his passive Fabled Skill [Passive]

Increases this Champion’s ATK by 50% each time this Champion kills an enemy. Stacks up to 100%. Resets each round. 

why is the passive ATK when we are focusing on HP this is useless.

Many of your points are valid and I agree with them : Cooldowns are too long, his skills are plain and not very special. Yet 50% dec def is a big deal, the goal is for his A2 to ignore 100% def, using savage+helmsmasher or debuffs. 

I think what's special about this champ is the combination of dmg and tankyness. I spent days in the top part of platinum, realized so many teams use MK; some of these teams are super strong, owned by players who have tremendous champs, yet they still use him. There are videos on the web showing how MK can solo nuke gold 4 arena teams. I myself used him solo as my defense in order to stay in the bottom half of gold 4, he kept winning one third of the fights. 

He has both the highest base HP and the best base resistance in game, that's already something interesting to work with. His base speed is his greatest weakness imo. 

Regarding dmg he does scale from both atk and HP. The right balance is tricky to find. I used his passive to estimate what a good balance he needs. His passive is far from useless. 

I have him fully booked btw. 

Some champs only shine at high lvl (like MK), some champs only shine at low to mid level (like Cupidus). 

Come on guys, what would I gain from lying? Do you always take for liar those who don't agree with you? This is no court, I'm not here to prove anything, I'm only bringing my perspective. StewGaming has extensive cool videos of his fights in platinum, he says: "MK is totally insane, let me tell you, the guy is crazy!". Raid Oversimplified says: "He is so good, I give him a 5 out of 5 and put him on top of my list of legos to be booked." If you don't agree, that's fine, keep him in your vault and move on. So will I: as you suggested I will not waste anymore time on this. :-) 

Calyptix said:

Many of your points are valid and I agree with them : Cooldowns are too long, his skills are plain and not very special. Yet 50% dec def is a big deal, the goal is for his A2 to ignore 100% def, using savage+helmsmasher or debuffs. 

I think what's special about this champ is the combination of dmg and tankyness. I spent days in the top part of platinum, realized so many teams use MK; some of these teams are super strong, owned by players who have tremendous champs, yet they still use him. There are videos on the web showing how MK can solo nuke gold 4 arena teams. I myself used him solo as my defense in order to stay in the bottom half of gold 4, he kept winning one third of the fights. 

He has both the highest base HP and the best base resistance in game, that's already something interesting to work with. His base speed is his greatest weakness imo. 

Regarding dmg he does scale from both atk and HP. The right balance is tricky to find. I used his passive to estimate what a good balance he needs. His passive is far from useless. 

I have him fully booked btw. 

Some champs only shine at high lvl (like MK), some champs only shine at low to mid level (like Cupidus). 

Come on guys, what would I gain from lying? Do you always take for liar those who don't agree with you? This is no court, I'm not here to prove anything, I'm only bringing my perspective. StewGaming has extensive cool videos of his fights in platinum, he says: "MK is totally insane, let me tell you, the guy is crazy!". Raid Oversimplified says: "He is so good, I give him a 5 out of 5 and put him on top of my list of legos to be booked." If you don't agree, that's fine, keep him in your vault and move on. So will I: as you suggested I will not waste anymore time on this. :-) 

come on don't BS you just saw a video from Raid Oversimplified and you are amazed that he beat some weak teams in the arena 

there is no the way you have your MK doing 150k to anyone in the arena if you did you would show us a screenshot easy so why come on forums and talk BS.

Mountain Trash just another useless legendary champion no fun at all.

 they just buffed Excruciator and is a lot more fun then Mountian trash with the gear you are talking and is doing 150k damage! check out the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQWLUXCLpi8&feature=emb_logo with skill that are fun.

Mountain FOOD

LOL

Hi,

I don't understand why you say MK isn't a good hero... he's one of the strongest single target in the game and he has skills based on hp, so he's a tank. Like every champions, he needs an excellent gear to work really good, but trust me, he's so strong. 

Valdys said:

Hi,

I don't understand why you say MK isn't a good hero... he's one of the strongest single target in the game and he has skills based on hp, so he's a tank. Like every champions, he needs an excellent gear to work really good, but trust me, he's so strong. 

I love it when a player that does not have the champion come and start talking out of there azz really man show us your amazing Mountain Trash.       I don't trust you show us a screenshot of how he is very stong

Valdys said:

Hi,

I don't understand why you say MK isn't a good hero... he's one of the strongest single target in the game and he has skills based on hp, so he's a tank. Like every champions, he needs an excellent gear to work really good, but trust me, he's so strong. 

I love it when a player that does not have the champion come and start talking out of there azz really man show us your amazing Mountain Trash.       I don't trust you show us a screenshot of how he is very stong

Valdys said:

Loserion said:

Valdys said:

Hi,

I don't understand why you say MK isn't a good hero... he's one of the strongest single target in the game and he has skills based on hp, so he's a tank. Like every champions, he needs an excellent gear to work really good, but trust me, he's so strong. 

I love it when a player that does not have the champion come and start talking out of there azz really man show us your amazing Mountain Trash.       I don't trust you show us a screenshot of how he is very stong

Why not?

how is your MK so strong when I higher C/D and HP pure damage and you just have high resist??

i don't see it

Loserion said:

how is your MK so strong when I higher C/D and HP pure damage and you just have high resist??

i don't see it

Resist adds a lot of points. But I would not compare champs by their power alone. 

Loserion said:

Valdys said:

Loserion said:

Valdys said:

Hi,

I don't understand why you say MK isn't a good hero... he's one of the strongest single target in the game and he has skills based on hp, so he's a tank. Like every champions, he needs an excellent gear to work really good, but trust me, he's so strong. 

I love it when a player that does not have the champion come and start talking out of there azz really man show us your amazing Mountain Trash.       I don't trust you show us a screenshot of how he is very stong

Why not?

how is your MK so strong when I higher C/D and HP pure damage and you just have high resist??

i don't see it

Then I don't understand why you say he's not good. :)

Loserion said:

Valdys said:

Loserion said:

Valdys said:

Hi,

I don't understand why you say MK isn't a good hero... he's one of the strongest single target in the game and he has skills based on hp, so he's a tank. Like every champions, he needs an excellent gear to work really good, but trust me, he's so strong. 

I love it when a player that does not have the champion come and start talking out of there azz really man show us your amazing Mountain Trash.       I don't trust you show us a screenshot of how he is very stong

Why not?

how is your MK so strong when I higher C/D and HP pure damage and you just have high resist??

i don't see it

Then I don't understand why you say he's not good. :)

Patdx said:

Valdys said:

Loserion said:

Valdys said:

Loserion said:

Valdys said:

Hi,

I don't understand why you say MK isn't a good hero... he's one of the strongest single target in the game and he has skills based on hp, so he's a tank. Like every champions, he needs an excellent gear to work really good, but trust me, he's so strong. 

I love it when a player that does not have the champion come and start talking out of there azz really man show us your amazing Mountain Trash.       I don't trust you show us a screenshot of how he is very stong

Why not?

how is your MK so strong when I higher C/D and HP pure damage and you just have high resist??

i don't see it

Then I don't understand why you say he's not good. :)

Put the same gear on Sir Nicholas. 10x more better and you can use everywhere. Unlike MK who is only good at Arena and need Insane gears just to compete with other Legendary Champions. If you don't want your MK buff then just stay quite. Most players don't have endgame gear like you do. We spend some money but most are not whales.

I'm just a normal player, not a whale.