I am the god of sustain 

hope it helps to beat spider 20 you need some one with HP Burn like Ultimate Galek and rest of them could be on defense best defense is aoe stun. you can try some different tactics like use some healers with aoe stun gear and champs to decrees turn matter for main boss. Unfortunately i cant see any good champs to help you in your storage. Try to get healer, 2 stun aoe and one dmg dealer and Decrease Turn Meter or 2 to decrease turn matter instead of damage dealer 

 Hi again

As soon as you get to Spider 13/14 (or even 12), mass AOE and blind attacks will not do. You need to understand 2 crucial mechanics of spider:

A. True for all boss: %HP damage does way more than any standard attack [Poison Stacks x3+] OR [HP burn AOE for spider - because each tick affects them all together - it spreads]

B. Spider: spiderlings to most of the damage and attacks your weakest champion based on mainly lowest HP

So given that, here are two strategies:

i. AOE the shit out of spiderlings before it consumes and eats (CA + AOE tank helps a lot), so that you win over time << easier but slower

ii. CC-lock out spiderlings and turn meter reduce boss whilst you nuke boss << need high ACC (200)

If you are not a high spender, don't 60 bad heroes just to try this boss. Battlepass revamped poisoners are fantastic. Occult Brawler should do to. You can literally have a team like this:

1. AOE on A1 tank - low heath (below 27k), high defence, high resist (180+ desirable) - (you may need lifesteal gear)

2. Counter Attacker

3. Healer + Speed

4. Poison / HP DPS (main damage)

5. Burst AOE dps / Group Survival << free to choose

1. AOE Tank: Fellhound?

2. CA: Skullcrusher 

3. Healer/Speed: Apothecary 

4. Poison / MaxHP damage (have an armiger in vault, I don't think brawler works here)

5. Burst AoE: ??? Is this HP Burn?

So this is a strategy with no TM reduction?

You need a poisoner / HP burn (even if not now, very soon)

I have seen 4 Armiger do it for the TM strategy -- not 1.  

Lol. I'm not building 4 Armiger. Need to figure out if 1 Armiger is a good piece to a final puzzle. I don't think you should be able to use multiples anyway, I have nothing against those that do though.

For the poisoner, maybe I can make Brawler work at low levels but his passive is wasted on the spiders generally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmlLFPhV_pg

The interesting part start from 10:10 min mark.

The things is that stats are just as important as the composition itself. Sometime you may have right team and lack right gear and stats - sets or quality wise. 

Thanks for the video. Gnarlhorn is interesting. Rhazin seems critical, ugh. The gear/GH are well ahead of my 90 day progress. I would like to see stats on entire team, SPD ACC RES ...

1) apothecary - check

2) armiger - have at naked 40

3) gnarlhorn - guessing this role is replaceable?

4) stag knight - have naked 40

5) rhazin - ugh

Without rhazin, obviously this doesn't work. The spider never gets a turn? The gear/Gh is probably months of arena & dragon farming.

My next steps for Spider progress:

1) Be patient, I am a ways away. Don't do anything stupid 

2) Save current food (2 6stars worth) gems (1300) until i use current shards. Reassess roster. Waiting for 2x event

3) Keep farming until training event over

4) Dragon20 and IG20 for gear

5) stay in Arena gold4, keep getting medals

My biggest gear problem is weak accessories, unfortunately this requires spiders... I can only beat 12 now. 

If anyone finds a video with Alure helping in anyway, even just at Spider 14 please share here. 

Thanks again everyone. 

So I have miscreated monster almost 60 now this should be easier. Also have Armiger at 60.

I'm thinking

Skullcrusher 

MM

Armiger

Alure

Apothecary 

Should at least get me by Spider 14 right?

1. Rhazin is not critical. I have never done a single run with him or someone = to him.  He has AOE turn meter reduction on a really long CD, useful for a speed run maybe? You don't need AOE turn meter reduction, just dedicated to boss. 

2. Miscreated Monster (MM) is a beast. I have done 35min spider test with him, because his AOE shield scales with AOE attack, so whenever he nukes little spiders every 3 turns, he basically makes your team invulnerable for 2-3 turns.

3. Your team make up:   

A) Some reliable DPS, such as poison or preferably AOE HP burn (super Gaelik dude?)    

B)  Turn meter control, so you reduce the number of heals    

C)  A reliable (negative affinity) tank so you only need to gear 1 person in detail

D) [Free Choice] -- probably a healer with turn meter or speed <<< Apo is nice, but lacks TM control

E) [Free Choice] -- probably a survival with heal with AOE nuke <<< Miscreated Monster (!)

Rhizans best ability on Spider is Def Down + Weaken for a nuke strat.

I'm bashing my head on Spider right now, and its s huge pain in the ass.  I finally cleared 18 today and I think 19 should be easier once I make my apoth super tanky. Then on to 20!

3. Your team make up:   

A) Some reliable DPS, such as poison or preferably AOE HP burn (super Gaelik dude?)    

B)  Turn meter control, so you reduce the number of heals    

C)  A reliable (negative affinity) tank so you only need to gear 1 person in detail

D) [Free Choice] -- probably a healer with turn meter or speed <<< Apo is nice, but lacks TM control

E) [Free Choice] -- probably a survival with heal with AOE nuke <<< Miscreated Monster (!)

For ever Spider past 15 you basically have to build a new team and tweak the shit out of it till it works.

Trips said:

I think trying to force Skullcrusher into my team is one of my problems. Unless he is my tank, which I guess will only work against Spirit/green Spider, then he doesn't add anything to the fight. Somehow my thinking was his CA/Ally protect and MM skills would protect Apo/Armiger/Alure from spiders and I'd get enough TM reduction (Alure+Armiger). 

MM is great everywhere already, but without CD booked his impact is limited. I need to book MM and find a replacement for Alure and SC. 

Skullcrusher (SC) is not you tank, he is the one that gives your tank CA (as he doesn't get CA himself). Why does your team need CA you may ask? CA gives you an extra turn for your own team after being hit by AOE, which is effectively more nuke than you can manage unless you have great 100% TM reduction from say Rhazin or Lua or Tyrael.

Now, if your tank has A1 AOE, then CA is going to be good because every spidering that hits it, every enemy gets AOE-ed. So 10-12 spiders = 10-12 AOEs per turn. Give it CA and that's 24 AOEs in 1 spider turn.

Granted your tank is probably weak affinity or void affinity, but it's still damn good.

To ensure that this A1 AOE tank is always the tank or 90% of the time a tank:

1. Only one with weaker affinity (weak or void) and everyone else is strong affinity or same

2. Have less than 27k health and not the highest defence (health matters more, unless it has stupid high defence).

To ensure your A1 AOE tank can survive:

3. Have high resist 160-200

4. Have support characters help it. Ally protect from MM and SC rotated correctly and shield from MM should  be enough even for long battles in Spider 20

So this is me showing Stage 4 because I don't have energy right now....

You can see that my DPS lead is AOE HP burn, CA is Martyr, and Weak Affinity Tank is Infero Baroness with a AOE A1 << She actually does 90% of the damage. MM is for protection.  Tyrael, Apo, whatever you like on 5th slot, just don't die -- MM can carry very long fights on auto (20-35min).  I don't have Coldheart -- new player.

Trips said:

Can you post your MM stats and masteries?

Yes, the MM is built for CC + 30% Shield buff + 100% crit AOE for extra shield buff