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Feb 23, 2025, 15:4202/23/25
Feb 23, 2025, 15:43(edited)
12/16/21
1596
WileyMan

I know you love your Fenax for his Single-Target Block Revive, but Fenax is not just a Single Target toon, his A2 is an AoE attack that hits decently strong.  


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Heart my Fenaxi

(Yes, that's the plural ;) )

Feb 23, 2025, 15:5102/23/25
07/07/22
72
BLXXDYMVRY

I stay away from teams with SPD leaders. Aint got time for that shit.

I tend to avoid Wukong, Loki, Thor, Odin and Armanz. Super stupid characters.

Feb 23, 2025, 15:5402/23/25
07/07/22
72
Onikage55

You've got Ninja, he's probably your best Demon Lord dps right now. Also you have Demytha, who makes a Unkillable team possible. But here we are, back to "stuck on Knights" nonsense. You should at least thank the Mods for taking the time to try and help, especially since you're refusing to accept reality.

"t's so Tedius seeing a mix the same 10 Champions on every single team" There's always going to be tiers of champions, especially in a game designed to make money by spending on shards. Especially with power creep.

You've been given a full SO team to use in Arena that will work and doesn't need to win the speed race, but because their "aesthetic" doesn't fit your Ren Faire obsession it sounds like you won't even try.

Until we start seeing screenshots of you winning with teams that fit the meta, it's clear all other advice is a waste of time 

You sound real hostile. Why?

Feb 23, 2025, 15:5902/23/25
07/07/22
72
Onikage55

Yes and Hydra should be your other focus if you plan on doing Arena. Especially getting the Clash Chests, not just for winning but for points. Stoneskin Accessories make it so you can have 1 turn stoneskin plus a second armor set. If you're not going first in Arena, you definitely need at least 1 turn stoneskin to survive (Unless you're doing the Cardinel Revive strategy). 

Just to add context to Cardinel's revive, where it says "Boosts TM to the max" that's not 100% TM fill, it's way way more. Wukong gets 100% TM when he revives but he doesn't always go immediately because there's actually MORE turn meter than just 100%. I've timestamped this for the explanation:

https://youtu.be/2NfNJ9XEV3Y?t=304


Hydra is just super difficult. I haven't even figured out why when somebody gets swallowed my team just starts to attacks random heads rather than the one I am telling them to. Annoying.

Feb 23, 2025, 16:0202/23/25
07/07/22
72
MooredRat


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Heart my Fenaxi

(Yes, that's the plural ;) )

That's hillarious. Dude is a freakin' unit.

Feb 23, 2025, 16:4502/23/25
07/08/19
1027
Sir Kyle

Hydra is just super difficult. I haven't even figured out why when somebody gets swallowed my team just starts to attacks random heads rather than the one I am telling them to. Annoying.

most likely your champions are getting devoured by the head of mischief, which a) devours champions more often than any other head since it takes the most turns and b) has a 75% chance of redirecting any attacks targeting it to another head unless it's under a hex debuff.

Feb 23, 2025, 17:4002/23/25
01/31/20
1278
MooredRat


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Heart my Fenaxi

(Yes, that's the plural ;) )

I goosed the gear on my Fenax for an all-epic Siege Team this past Siege, and then the other team didn't even get to that post.  At 326%, he may have the highest CD on my account. Certainly the highest for an Epic.

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Feb 27, 2025, 15:4502/27/25
07/07/22
72

Got five 5Stars saved up! Time to think about who I need next.....Rathalos blademaster? Guess a good dps is nothing to sneeze at.

Feb 27, 2025, 22:5302/27/25
01/31/20
1278
Sir Kyle

Got five 5Stars saved up! Time to think about who I need next.....Rathalos blademaster? Guess a good dps is nothing to sneeze at.

My pic would be Pythion.  He is an awesome support toon for PVE & PVP....if you'll use a Lizard.

Mar 3, 2025, 05:3303/03/25
09/27/24
1

Try building a high resistance team, doesn't matter if you go second if your res is so high they can't land debuffs and it stops turn meter reductio, buff steals ect. I feel like high resistance is better than block damage/debuffs and unkillable

Mar 7, 2025, 17:2003/07/25
07/07/22
72
Jonboy84

Try building a high resistance team, doesn't matter if you go second if your res is so high they can't land debuffs and it stops turn meter reductio, buff steals ect. I feel like high resistance is better than block damage/debuffs and unkillable

That's good advice. What do you think the minimum viable res would be?

Mar 7, 2025, 20:2703/07/25
Mar 7, 2025, 20:28(edited)
11/16/20
1190

Im sorry but I doubt OP is going to have the gear to make a high res team, which really are not very effective anymore anywas.

If OP really wants to do arena right now his best bet is to make a simple speed nuke team and move on. 

At your level you just want to get into gold and farm free medals and focus on PvE content to farm gear.

Mar 7, 2025, 21:5803/07/25
06/25/20
6920

Yeah. It's not good advice at all. If you want to try playing with resist, even at a lower level, you're going to need *minimum* 400.

Mar 8, 2025, 08:0503/08/25
Mar 8, 2025, 23:13(edited)
07/01/22
699
kramaswamy.kr

Yeah. It's not good advice at all. If you want to try playing with resist, even at a lower level, you're going to need *minimum* 400.

It's not worth doing unless you can do 800 minimum. There's a few arena-viable champs that have high speed AND can do Inc Acc. One of them goes first and 400 resist might as well be 0. Heck 600 resist is nullified by 400 acc + 50% buff... 

Not to mention, in Mikage's case (who is free for everyone and not as hard as Marius to get), the fact her A3 ignores 20% resist anyway. Or god forbid a Galathir. Ignoring 20% of 600 drops their resist to below 500, and the 50% inc acc happens before the buff strip + weaken.

Feral gear and Pinpoint both have spd and acc bonuses on them. Faster with high Acc is much easier to pull off than high resist, just by the current design of the meta...

Do we even want to discuss Marius? Inc Acc on a extra turn ability, with a A2 that buff strips without triggering polymorph?

All in all, given how Inc Acc is actually seen in arena (and inc res rarely is) you gotta do 800 or more. The reason is that if you're building that much resist, you have a much lower chance to go first. You would be hard pressed to have over 300 spd, which means you're relying on Resist to stay alive till your first turn. Again, not trying to say you don't know the game but given the power creep, you should update your expectations of what is out there these days.

EDIT: Wanted to add that there's also the champs like Thor who permanently decrease resist for the whole fight and there's nothing you can do about that. Stoneskin might not even prevent it and it doesn't need acc, there's a few others with that permanent decrease resistance by x on abilities

Mar 8, 2025, 18:5503/08/25
01/31/20
1278
Onikage55

It's not worth doing unless you can do 800 minimum. There's a few arena-viable champs that have high speed AND can do Inc Acc. One of them goes first and 400 resist might as well be 0. Heck 600 resist is nullified by 400 acc + 50% buff... 

Not to mention, in Mikage's case (who is free for everyone and not as hard as Marius to get), the fact her A3 ignores 20% resist anyway. Or god forbid a Galathir. Ignoring 20% of 600 drops their resist to below 500, and the 50% inc acc happens before the buff strip + weaken.

Feral gear and Pinpoint both have spd and acc bonuses on them. Faster with high Acc is much easier to pull off than high resist, just by the current design of the meta...

Do we even want to discuss Marius? Inc Acc on a extra turn ability, with a A2 that buff strips without triggering polymorph?

All in all, given how Inc Acc is actually seen in arena (and inc res rarely is) you gotta do 800 or more. The reason is that if you're building that much resist, you have a much lower chance to go first. You would be hard pressed to have over 300 spd, which means you're relying on Resist to stay alive till your first turn. Again, not trying to say you don't know the game but given the power creep, you should update your expectations of what is out there these days.

EDIT: Wanted to add that there's also the champs like Thor who permanently decrease resist for the whole fight and there's nothing you can do about that. Stoneskin might not even prevent it and it doesn't need acc, there's a few others with that permanent decrease resistance by x on abilities

Dude.  Kram specifically said at a lower level (which is where we all assume the OP is playing) 400 was the minimum and also said it was a bad strategy.  You have hard-on for criticizing people sometimes and are often guilty of trying to teach other (often very experienced) players about game fundamentals.      

Also, check your Math. 600 Acc is most definitely not nullified by 300 Acc + a 50% Buff....that would be 450 vs 600.  I invite you to come play:

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Mar 8, 2025, 19:0203/08/25
11/16/20
1190
WileyMan

Dude.  Kram specifically said at a lower level (which is where we all assume the OP is playing) 400 was the minimum and also said it was a bad strategy.  You have hard-on for criticizing people sometimes and are often guilty of trying to teach other (often very experienced) players about game fundamentals.      

Also, check your Math. 600 Acc is most definitely not nullified by 300 Acc + a 50% Buff....that would be 450 vs 600.  I invite you to come play:

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Just to derail these kinds of teams are free wins. 

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Ive seen some Armanz builds extremely better than mine. 

Mar 8, 2025, 22:3103/08/25
Mar 8, 2025, 22:32(edited)
01/31/20
1278
evilized6666

Just to derail these kinds of teams are free wins. 

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Ive seen some Armanz builds extremely better than mine. 

They are free wins for some, and as I have said in other threads, the High Res strategy is far less viable than it used to be, but I picked up another 6 Defense Wins in Siege last week, including against Armanz.  And, for the record, my Pythion & Siphi would both still resist your Armanz unless you bring an Inc Acc toon.  You'd be amazed the number of people who do not build Armanz with enough Acc.  

I still use this team on Offense & Defense in 3v3, where I am currently in G3, and I use it in Siege periodically.

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Mar 8, 2025, 23:0903/08/25
Mar 8, 2025, 23:14(edited)
07/01/22
699
WileyMan

Dude.  Kram specifically said at a lower level (which is where we all assume the OP is playing) 400 was the minimum and also said it was a bad strategy.  You have hard-on for criticizing people sometimes and are often guilty of trying to teach other (often very experienced) players about game fundamentals.      

Also, check your Math. 600 Acc is most definitely not nullified by 300 Acc + a 50% Buff....that would be 450 vs 600.  I invite you to come play:

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Not sure why you're so gung-ho and defensive today or derailing so much. I know for a fact I've got 400 acc champs that get through 700 resist with a 50% buff most of the time, so I extrapolated downward at like 8am with zero sleep. I'll fix it.. Also the "1v1 me bruh!" stuff is a bit cringe. I'm with Evil on his reply. 

Also OP has been playing for more than a year, he's not in the early game of 400 resist. Not to mention Kram's other statements in threads about resist show a decent amount of out-of-date-knowledge and I was actually trying to be helpful, not mean, in showing what the upperish (not top) meta is like.

Finally, if my little "Sarcasm" pic was upsetting I'm not sure why? I legit thought you were being sarcastic and I'm sorry if it ruined your day. I'm gonna end this here so it doesn't devolve further.

Mar 8, 2025, 23:4803/08/25
12/19/19
6634
Onikage55

Not sure why you're so gung-ho and defensive today or derailing so much. I know for a fact I've got 400 acc champs that get through 700 resist with a 50% buff most of the time, so I extrapolated downward at like 8am with zero sleep. I'll fix it.. Also the "1v1 me bruh!" stuff is a bit cringe. I'm with Evil on his reply. 

Also OP has been playing for more than a year, he's not in the early game of 400 resist. Not to mention Kram's other statements in threads about resist show a decent amount of out-of-date-knowledge and I was actually trying to be helpful, not mean, in showing what the upperish (not top) meta is like.

Finally, if my little "Sarcasm" pic was upsetting I'm not sure why? I legit thought you were being sarcastic and I'm sorry if it ruined your day. I'm gonna end this here so it doesn't devolve further.

Doesn't matter how long OP has been playing, 100pct with kram that he is early game. 

Mar 8, 2025, 23:5503/08/25
12/16/21
1596

He mentioned that the fastest champ he has is 255