Right, regarding Armanz's initial target but that's why I was confused about people being mad at him specifically since Wukong's A2 also sheeps in the same way but yeah Armanz can sheep one person and maybe remove 1-2 more stoneskins. Again, if that's the meta, why aren't people banning Armanz? I mean if you run into a player with double Armanz fully awakened you're either fighting the luckiest player in the game OR someone who spent a ton of money and has a full team of godlike champs. 

I think you made a really important point about the new gear sets and relics. I have the relic with the unresistable chance to steal a buff from the enemy and I've stolen stoneskin many times and there's other relics that really make the game interesting, plus you can't see what they have and they can't see what you have.

Regardless, to the other people who are complaining: The meta is what it is. It's not "Toxic" because it's not how you think it *should* be. You're also not gonna win every fight and I think that's what this really comes down to for some people. They have this mindset of "By my values of what I feel a true test of skill is, my team would always win and the game is awful for not lining up with that" which is just...

Last thing I'll say is that of OP's 7 threads they've created, 4 are complaining about Arena so...

Like whom?

Hey, I'm not THAT early in the game....

Dude, Armanz is such a stupid character! How did they think it was a good idea to add a character with THAT MUCH CC? He can literally stunlock your entire team while removing their buffs. I hate him and I don't even need to worry about his cooldown increasing BS because of Falmond. I often bring Gilseah Soulguide if I absolutely need to fight Armanz so that she freezes him every time he attacks with his A1.

What's that?

Hey, you remember me! Yup, I love my knights. I even got Acelin the Stalwart recently and have been trying to put together a Bannerlords team around him. He is the Knight of Knights after all!

Also got Roshcard the Tower who is really cool. Was trying to gear him with attack so that he deals a fair amount of damage but it's looking like that's not going to work too well as he still tends to have very weak hits with his A1.

I've tried to state this here and on a previous thread of yours, as have other people, so I'm going to make one final attempt here and I apologize in advance if you feel insulted but that is not my intent. Here goes:

This is not a game with Roleplay Servers. You are trying to make something happen that is probably never going to be a thing and you're not spending your time in a productive way. You want a "theme" of your teams and that's not how Arena works. Yes, there's Unity champions and you have a good one with Falmond but pretty much all the champions you're pairing him with are not fit for or built for Arena.

Complaining with the hope for change in how a game is structured can be positive, that's not what this is. This is the equivalent of going to a Subway or Quiznos and being upset they're not serving burgers because you feel burgers are the proper way to enjoy meat and toppings between bread. 

The Meta is the Meta. If there was a champion that is literally a sentient broom with a set of abilities that work great in arena, 99.9% of players would use that champion. This may not be the type of game that fits your preferred playstyle and worldview. 

People complaining about pvp generally don't build for pvp, so not alot of stoneskin builds. 

Honestly I  think the meta is quite varied.  I lose in so many different ways it's comical that I still win 5 per day somehow 😆 

The feral pinpoint sets, relics, and such combined with increased mythicals eventually gonna catch up to me. And 99% have marius now :(

Is that really what I'm trying to do now?

A HEALTHY meta in a game, the ideal balance you want to shoot for, is a meta with many, many answers to winning. A rich environment for varied strategies which are viable. Every fight carrying different challenges with it.

Currently Raid's meta is limited to extremely high speed teams that can kill the opponent before they get a chance to participate, either by crowd control or excessive damage.

Every fight carries with it only ONE challenge: Be faster...

So am I REALLY wrong in voicing complaint?

Except that it isn't. I gave you a perfectly acceptable counter.

Does my counter have its own counters? Sure. If I bothered to spend more time on live arena I could probably find fixes, but I don't, and for classic/tag it's more than sufficient.

Are there other counters? Absolutely.

Will any of them work if you insist on shoehorning into a specific team type built around your RP requirements? 100% not.

Kram is correct, some of the top end live arena players run teams that go 2nd.  That said as a very early game player you should probably not try and copy this as speed will always be most important stat across pvp and pve.  Your progress across the entire game will be contingent on this.  Your stubbornness will likely slow you down though 😆 

Godseeker Iniri, Martyr and Sanguinia aren't fit for being on an arena team with Falmond?

Why not? 

Iniri keeps my people alive, extends buffs and helps get rid of enemy buffs, 

Martyr keeps my people alive and gives free attacks to my team even if the enemy team just keeps takign turn after turn while my guys don't

Sanguinia cleanses all those nasty debuffs from my team and can put up a block debuffs thing which Iniri can extend.

That's the best comp I have found so far. I'd love to get Cardiel to replace Sanguinia and have spent way too much money trying without luck but beyond that everybody seems pretty strong. So Why isn't it good? Who's better?

For starters, it looks like you have 4 supports and no nuke.

Martyr is an excellet arena champ, godseeker is iffy, sanguinia has no business being there.

Off the top of my head, Shamael and Fenax are the only good non-lego sacred order hitters, and they're both single-target.

Edit: I mean, and if you're *losing,* then they aren't doing *that* good a job keeping your team alive :P

Falmond can nuke quite well but the rest of that team has no business in most arena fights. There are many, many good Sacred Order champs (lego or of course Sieg) but I doubt I'd be going farther than Fenax/Shamael/Cardinal in Epics.

You are trying very hard to fit a square peg into a round hole here. I would be shocked if you didn't have better options in your roster - feel free to drop a screenshot of the current one - but I know you're trying to stay within certain themes so I'm not sure you'll be willing to change. I think there's a reasonable chance you have a better option in Sacred Order for your team, including Alice.

Falmond is one of my most wanted champs, but I have Siegfrund.

And I won't pretend not to have been incredibly lucky to get him.

Sieg is hands down my favorite champ, exceptional almost everywhere except hydra.

Derp, I forgot Alice is SO. She's very good for arena.

Sieg is straight up busted, even better now with Cat's Gaze. Just pulls out so many wins, though he does get countered by Narses, Horse, other double hitters etc.

Falmond is a blast, tag or Siege. Definitely worth pulling for. 

I suggest you post your roster and sort it by rank, not faction. Also I wouldn't even recommend spending money to get a Void Legendary unless it's a fusion or something. 

Falmond only needs 1 other SO champ to be effective and you should have Alice so there you go. The other 3 can be based on your roster, just remember this is about abilities not themes. Heck, Cardiel's partner is a Demon. Konstantin's lore is he and Vlad are mortal enemies yet they get synergy bonuses together. 

But yes, post your roster and you'll get much better help from everyone.

If you think Falmond isn't a Nuke, you haven't seen him in action. He can 1 shot entire teams sometimes. If they try to hide behind defensive buff? No problem, Burning Courage will strip them away.

Godseeker has so much rezzing. She can even rez herself if she dies not to mention she's pretty tanky.

Sanguinia really does do a good job, build her with high speed and res and she can get the team out of AOE stuns and remove those defense reduction or Weaken buffs enemy teams like to cover yoru team in with her A3. She can protect the team from Debuffs while also keeping up a heal with her A2 and her A1 can strip away enemy buffs sometiems while also dealing some damage.

I have Fenax and he's pretty good but the problem is with Falmond and Martyr my team is already 3 Spirit heroes. I have a few other Sacred Order Legendaries: Gilseah Soulcaller, Roshcard the Tower, He-Man, Archbishop Pinthroy, Astralon. As far as epics go, I have Deacon Armstrong and Lodric Falconheart. Falconhearts shields on 2 turn cooldown is pretty nice but I do end up missing Sanguinia's debuff removal when I use anyone else.