I played a loooooot of Pokemon Go when it came out. even spent a good chunk of time when I was visting Tokyo trying to find Farfetch'd 😂

I don't know.... you wasted vacation time in Tokyo looking for a pokemon? That story sounds a bit..... farfetched.....

i really dont understand the point you are trying to make with this thread. First you build a team that is mostly overpowered compared to every enemy you face. And on top, you build your team with a rank 6 UDK where almost everyone else only has a rank 5. 

Then you beat them all, and quickly conclude that UDK is not unbeatable.... Well i'm sorry to say, but you kinda proved the opposite, you didnt lose once LOL

Look, i know he's not invincible, but at those levels, if anyone runs a near-max UDK, theiir chances of winning are GREATLY improved, and the proof is in all your runs.

If you wanted to disprove the myth, you were supposed to run everything WITHOUT a UDK, and beat all the teams that had one. Now that would be much more conclusive.

I do think you missed the point.

The teams - ranks of champions and all - posted in this thread are an accurate depiction of what a new player will come up against as they go through Bronze and Silver Arena right now. 

Is our goal not to put out our strongest possible team possible? Especially in terms of hastening our arena battles rather than running into the perceived endless or unwinnable fights we see players unhappy with?

That was the point of the thread. UDK fights are not endless, eternal or unwinnable as shown in this thread. We need to rank up our champions and we can make it to Gold 1 where if we want to farm softer defenses such as 1 champs, we can. 

If ranking up our UDK to 60 is such a silver bullet option to make our way through Arena, shouldn't a player be able to solve their problems in less than a week of food farming, if not less? 

This game is, has and always will be much more of a marathon than a sprint. In this instance, it's taking the time to build out our strongest arena team possible to make our grind provably easier. Why would we want to handicap ourselves by doing anything else?

"If ranking up our UDK to 60 is such a silver bullet option to make
our way through Arena, shouldn't a player be able to solve their
problems in less than a week of food farming, if not less? 

This game is, has and always will be much more of a marathon than a
sprint. In this instance, it's taking the time to build out our
strongest arena team possible to make our grind provably easier. Why
would we want to handicap ourselves by doing anything else? "

Its true, but the answer for this problem not white or black. When you see the arena opponents now at the bronze and silver leagues, almost all enemies have UDK in his team. Because he starting with a huge advantage with 6 star gears. Thats need long weeks farming for starter "new" players. Need a good counter character against UDK too. Other thing the UDK event is over, new players starting without it. Thats a huge handicap too.

Approaching from Plarium side too, not see just the players side. What is good for them ? If the new player progress at the start not too hard (stay in game long time such as potentional costumers), if they dont struggle too much, because they will leave the game too fast, when they dont enjoying the game. When the PvP battles is too long because the new players dont have enough resources,items,good counter heroes. 5-10-15 minutes long PvP battles its boring after when someone repeating those battles.

Arena need for player progressing, give percentages for heroes, plus great hall developments which is give more percentages and thats make stonger their heroes. Daily 5 PvP battles needs for weekly quests which is give ancient shards for hero pulling etc etc etc.  Thats a not good answer or advice for new players, forget PvP come back after 2 months. Their hero developments will slowing down. UDK now in starter leagues in my oppinion a wide dich what the mostly new players hard to jump trough.

Players complain that UDK is unbeatable because of his enormous health regeneration, the complainers don't lose the fight regulary, but quit because of a stalemate. 

UDK is not necessary to beat UDK, your argument is not even close to be valid. If UDK would be the hardest hitting single target nuker in the game and having an UDK on your own would be the only protection for your teammembers, in that case you would have a point.

"If UDK would be the hardest hitting single target nuker in the game and
having an UDK on your own would be the only protection for your
teammembers, in that case you would have a point. "

He is not, but give enough time for the hardest hitting single target nukers to killing arena team heroes. UDK in stone skin thats the new BS.  Swallow up all damage which would harm your team. UDK not a lonely hero, more 3 champs go with him in pvp team who can support him.  Everyone know UDK beateable, its a mistake hanging on a word. 

UDK does not protect his teammembers from AoE damage. Warmaiden + Starterchamp should be enough to kill the other 3. We are talking about early arena, if the other teammembers of the UDK-team are tanky enough to survive such a hit or have a Krisk to protect them with his shield, UDK is not the problem, the attacker would have lost anyway.

Indeed your scenario of UDK protecting his teammembers seems not to be a problem at all. I don't have seen any threads where players complain that they couldn't beat UDK's teammembers, because his protective passive is to strong. I've seen only threads where players complain that they are lost in eternal fights against a single surviving UDK, who has to strong regeneration to be killed.

Lol! to test if UDK is unbeatable or not you weren't supposed to use UDK on your team as well!!

Why not try that with a newly started  account - one without UDK? :)

LOL and at least same power teams. But thats true can beat UDK with good counters. Without it not too easy and it takes too long time. Boring.

Other thing i tried to battles with my UDK  team against Athel teams what he wrote before. They newer could won against me. My Rector Drath always revitalize my heroes or revive them until at the other side the UDK left alone. At the lower leagues dont have too much speed differences not really work nuke teams against a good builded UDK teams, because they have enough time to turn. Simple nuker team in my oppinion not enough, just against the very noobs player wich has UDK. Much better a team where has a heal reduction and def down champion. Such as Venomage or Frostbinger. Thats me give almost  100% winrate. But the battletimes still not very good, its boring when always need more than 2 minute or longer fight time. Boring,Boring,Boring.... not enjoyable.

How much is someone supposed to hamstring themselves to show that UDK versus UDK fights don't last until you hit Quit Match? I think my post clearly shows that winning until you reach Gold is not impossible. All it took was ranking up TWO champs to 6 stars (not even to 60), that the two the game gave me in the first week. I didn't even bother gear farming.

The absolute majority of people complaining do have UDK, since their argument is that UDK versus UDK is a stallout fest. I see it in their screenshots, they are clearly using UDK and have to quit out of fights.

Real talk, when I'm trying to see if arena is just endless UDK versus UDK "quitout fights", who am I allowed to use if not the champs the game handed everyone? No free login champs? So no UDK or High Khatun? Only campaign farmables? No Starters? Only Uncommons? Considering I started and used the champs given to a brand new account at the time, and 60'd only champions everyone else had, what is the problem? 

The screens clearly show I went a combined 134-3 until I made Gold 1. That doesn't seem like I had to quit out a ton of fights.

I'll admit I haven't read the entire thread, but Skadi said something good in my thread about this that I wanted to share.

Get some Destroy gear and those stalemates with UDK standing alone in the end won't happen. His HP will get lower and lower. It's probably the cheapest, fastest, way to get ahead of UDK as a new player.

This is such a bizarre argument and approach that I've seen a few times now, from a few different posters. Why would we ever want to do things that lessen our chances of winning, or winning faster? What does it prove to take weaker options into a fight? Would you ever suggest this to a new player as advice? There is a reason we suggest ranking up our champions, having a speed boost into defense down into nuker as early as we can in Arena: because it works.  

What counter did you see here, other than running sensible champions that don't further proc UDK's healing passive? If you think UDK counters UDK, I sure have some news for you. 

Making an argument based on the stance we should be handicapping ourselves in some way to prove a point is downright silly if not disingenous. 

Sould be nice but no. Thats not realy worked at starters. Heal reduction much better. No healing from skills, from item sets such as Lifesteal what the starters using mostly.

And Destroy Why not work on starter characters ? This is why not.

"The destroy set in Raid Shadow Legends is a 4 piece artifact
set that gives the wearer a chance to decrease the opponent’s max HP by
40% of the damage dealt. The amount of damage per attack is capped at
8%. This set bonus also only applies per skill instead of per hit which
means skills that hit multiple times will not be as effective.

The
max HP of the opponent over the course of the entire battle can not go
below 40%. So, if you did enough damage to decrease the opponent’s max
HP by 8% with each attack, it would take 5 attacks to reach the 40% cap.

Does The Destroy Set Stack?

The
destroy set does not stack in Raid Shadow Legends. The idea behind them
stacking is you could put this set on multiple champions on your team
and actually go past the 40% cap. Unfroutently, this is not the case and
the only effect you get from stacking this set is getting to that cap
faster in fewer turns.

So, it does have some
effectiveness when stacked, but not the ideal one where you could reduce
the opponent’s max HP to almost zero. However, the destroy set bonus
does stack with other champion skills that reduce max HP like Ripper.

Does The Destroy Set Work On Clan Boss?

The destroy set does work on Clan Boss, but it’s just not as good as you might think. Other sets like lifesteal and toxic  are going to be much better for the Clan Boss. You can use it if you already have the pieces, but you shouldn’t be trying to get destroy
artifacts to use them on the Clan Boss specifically.

How To Get The Destroy Set

The destroy set can be obtained from the Deadlands also known as campaign 9 and the Dragon’s Lair Dungeon. These are going to be the only places to
farm this set. If you want to farm the best pieces you are going to
need to farm the high stages of Dragon’s Lair. Farming the Deadlands,
even on brutal difficulty, will not give you the same high-quality
destroy artifacts that high stages of Dragon’s Lair will.

If
you are a new player to the game you won’t be able to farm Dragon’s
Lair and you shouldn’t farm the Deadlands. The destroy set has very
limited uses and none of them apply to the early game of Raid Shadow
Legends. There are much better artifact sets that you should be farming
instead like lifesteal or speed.

Is The Destroy Set Worth Using?

The destroy set is unfortunately not worth using in its current state. The
cap on the set bonus takes away a lot of the potential. The other
artifacts sets available are usually a better choice most of the time.
However, there are two potential use cases for this set: the Ice Golem
and the Scarab King. "

Not only does the above post show a lack of understanding of Raid and is misinformation about how health regeneration works in the game (see Skadi's post below for why Destroy does not work as stated above), we kindly ask you do not type in all Bold and in all Headers if you wish to continue posting here. 

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This is how work speed teams with 2 turn block damage, with 1 turn unkilleable and counter attacks. But if you say so... 

Yes i did, but some peoples dont want to see forest for tree. I told, many time heal reduction thats help for beating UDK. 

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Just for fun. Against speed teams with Athel and more. The last was the mosly fun, where UDK killed the whole speed team alone at end of battle.

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The whole point of destroy set vs. UDK is, that his healing from continous heal and Regeneration set is based on his max hp and gets reduced while the set reduces his max hp. UDK with 100k life heals for 30k (15% of max hp from set, 15% from heal buff). UDK with hp reduced to 40k heals 12k per turn if the heal buff is active and only 6k per turn from his Regeneration set alone. The numbers are of course only to show the principle, I don't assume that UDK in Bronze Arena starts with 100k hp.

If you are able to deal more damage per turn than he heals, you can move his hp bar down. So Destroy is good enough to beat him. 

Heal reduction of course works as well. It's just another method. It's good to have deifferent methods of defeating UDK, so people who don't have a champ with heal reduction can still win if they put a damage dealer in destroy set.

My apologies if I sounded rude - it hadn't occurred to me at first that you were also using a limited monster box in using your new account to test this. :)

No worries. :)

And you are correct, I only had the champs the brand new "testing account" had pulled. I ranked up my started to 60 in Campaign, then UDK to 6 (and like level 30 or something) and then went to work testing the matchups in Bronze. :)

The first really strong UDK-team I met: my opponent had UDK, Mithrala, Vogoth and Soulless in Tag Arena. I think to force a stalemate, a reviver instead of Soulless would have been even better for him. But the combiantion of Vogoth (protection vs. AoE attacks) and UDK is quite good, and Mithrala with her petrification is just a pain.

As it was in Tag Team Arena, I couldn't bring my best champions, had to think about the other two fights as well. As I assumed before, this team had high resistance, so I brought Ghostborn to land decrease def. Gorgorab and Apo for speed and healing and Vlad, who can decrease enemy max hp, as damage dealer. 

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After 4 minutes, the fight didn't look to well for my team, but my combination of Apo and Gorgorab is hard to kill as well. Gorgorab's revive and Apo's healing turned the tide, and with Vlad's A1 I could slowly bring them down, hit, petrify, hit, petrify, hit, petrify... 😣

After 12 minutes, I had this UDK down. Mithrala and Vogoth still took some time. 

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Happy End:

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Should have used Duchess in this fight to block Mithrala's petrification, as I didn't need Duchess in fight no. 2 anyway. 

I don't know if this was the best fight I ever had in Raid PvP or the most annoying one - or both.

In the end it's just another proof that destroy set (or champs with that effect built in, like Vlad) work vs. UDK.