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Nov 8, 2022, 12:3211/08/22
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Realy everyone need showtime, for showing the truth... or just someone dont want to understand the other side arguments, because...

Hello world here is a battle against UDK with three lvl60 and a lvl57 heroes. And pls dont tell to me, how advice need im for fitting champions. These champions fitted the best items what i got from dungeons at this level. And pls dont tell me, use Athel, because i started Kael which is better in overall than Athel, dont want to focusing UDK and mostly of new players wont specialise against UDK at game starting too. The first battle is just strugling when UDK left behind against 4 alomost lvl60 champions. At over 17 minutes he has full health. The second picture has, against same team with reduce heal/dec def hero counter. But do you know, everything is fine, UDK beateable which everything else inside in the game.


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Nov 8, 2022, 13:1711/08/22
10/15/20
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The second picture has, against same team with reduce heal/dec def hero
counter. But do you know, everything is fine, UDK beateable which
everything else inside in the game. 


No content in the game (maybe exept easy campaign stage 1) is beatable with everything else. 

Thinking about what champs to bring to the fight and how they should be equipped is an essential part of the game.

Your very own pic, where a lvl 50 unascended Venomage won the fight just shows that. And no, you don't need exactly Venomage. Any champ with 100% heal reduction would do the same. You probably want a champ with that debuff anyway, for the spirit potion keep.

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 8, 2022, 13:3611/08/22
02/24/19
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Skadi
The second picture has, against same team with reduce heal/dec def hero
counter. But do you know, everything is fine, UDK beateable which
everything else inside in the game. 


No content in the game (maybe exept easy campaign stage 1) is beatable with everything else. 

Thinking about what champs to bring to the fight and how they should be equipped is an essential part of the game.

Your very own pic, where a lvl 50 unascended Venomage won the fight just shows that. And no, you don't need exactly Venomage. Any champ with 100% heal reduction would do the same. You probably want a champ with that debuff anyway, for the spirit potion keep.

This game is certainly about champ selection, yeah.

But if someone can't outdamage a UDK's healing and shields with Valkyrie, Kael and UDK.... I would want to see their builds, cause that is surely the problem. Seems to me there would be a great great deal of improvements to be make in gearing and stat choices. Valk is strong affinity, her CA gives you so many chances to attack, and her passive should be slowing down the enemy UDK...Kael hits hard, is a great nuker, and leaves DOT debuffs... UDK can hit quite hard, if you build him so.

Nov 8, 2022, 13:3711/08/22
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Skadi
The second picture has, against same team with reduce heal/dec def hero
counter. But do you know, everything is fine, UDK beateable which
everything else inside in the game. 


No content in the game (maybe exept easy campaign stage 1) is beatable with everything else. 

Thinking about what champs to bring to the fight and how they should be equipped is an essential part of the game.

Your very own pic, where a lvl 50 unascended Venomage won the fight just shows that. And no, you don't need exactly Venomage. Any champ with 100% heal reduction would do the same. You probably want a champ with that debuff anyway, for the spirit potion keep.

No, i dont need venomage, other heroes do same if RNG god drop one, but she threws Venomage. Thtas why i told easily be smart with 3 years experience, but new players dont understand yet the game mechanics and their availability depends for your luck, what they got from item drops hero pulls etc. Not so easy fights against UDK if you dont have counters or nothing useable solution. They started with huge gap because 6 stars items. Starter players strugling with them.

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 8, 2022, 13:4011/08/22
02/24/19
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No, i dont need venomage, other heroes do same if RNG god drop one, but she threws Venomage. Thtas why i told easily be smart with 3 years experience, but new players dont understand yet the game mechanics and their availability depends for your luck, what they got from item drops hero pulls etc. Not so easy fights against UDK if you dont have counters or nothing useable solution. They started with huge gap because 6 stars items. Starter players strugling with them.

Start yourself a new thread and post the builds for those champs. It's obvious you need help with building champs effectively. 

If Valk, Kael and UDK cant beat a single UDK, that's 100% on poorly built champs. Even the enemy Ultimate Deathknight outdamaged your nuker in that screenshot. Which should NOT be happening, not ever.

Nov 8, 2022, 13:4411/08/22
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harleQuinn

Start yourself a new thread and post the builds for those champs. It's obvious you need help with building champs effectively. 

If Valk, Kael and UDK cant beat a single UDK, that's 100% on poorly built champs. Even the enemy Ultimate Deathknight outdamaged your nuker in that screenshot. Which should NOT be happening, not ever.

No i wont. I wrote "And pls dont tell to me, how advice need im for fitting champions. These
champions fitted the best items what i got from dungeons at this level. "

Oh and my Valk hase quad speed substats item too. Surely. I have enough experience how need to fit items and why.

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 8, 2022, 13:4711/08/22
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No i wont. I wrote "And pls dont tell to me, how advice need im for fitting champions. These
champions fitted the best items what i got from dungeons at this level. "

Oh and my Valk hase quad speed substats item too. Surely. I have enough experience how need to fit items and why.

Okay, cool. Don't show your builds then. I will just believe you that you know what you're doing, in spite of all evidence to the contrary. 

Have a good day! :)

Nov 8, 2022, 14:0111/08/22
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harleQuinn

Start yourself a new thread and post the builds for those champs. It's obvious you need help with building champs effectively. 

If Valk, Kael and UDK cant beat a single UDK, that's 100% on poorly built champs. Even the enemy Ultimate Deathknight outdamaged your nuker in that screenshot. Which should NOT be happening, not ever.

Weak affinity ,weak hits and can easily overdamage Kael and this could happening, this is not an atomphysics. Kael: Which has over 3.3k attack almost 100% cr, ok the CD is just 100 because i didnt got good items and spider dont want to drop DE amulet. I think this is not the worst Kael. Can solo Brutal 12-3 if i have luck between 6-13sec. But if i told many thing depends at the game early phase , what you got, hows your luck.


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harleQuinnModerator
Nov 8, 2022, 14:0311/08/22
Nov 8, 2022, 20:32(edited)
02/24/19
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Weak affinity ,weak hits and can easily overdamage Kael and this could happening, this is not an atomphysics. Kael: Which has over 3.3k attack almost 100% cr, ok the CD is just 100 because i didnt got good items and spider dont want to drop DE amulet. I think this is not the worst Kael. Can solo Brutal 12-3 if i have luck between 6-13sec. But if i told many thing depends at the game early phase , what you got, hows your luck.


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Showing me how you farm campaign isn't showing me your builds for Valk, Kael or UDK.

Nov 8, 2022, 14:0811/08/22
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No, i dont need venomage, other heroes do same if RNG god drop one, but she threws Venomage. Thtas why i told easily be smart with 3 years experience, but new players dont understand yet the game mechanics and their availability depends for your luck, what they got from item drops hero pulls etc. Not so easy fights against UDK if you dont have counters or nothing useable solution. They started with huge gap because 6 stars items. Starter players strugling with them.

You are right, new players don't understand the game mechanics.

That is, why there are things like this forum, or "how to start in Raid" videos from content creators on youtube, and strategy threads on Reddit, and all that stuff.

At one point you either learn about the game mechanics or won't have success in the game. Like in most other  computer games of our time, the days of Pong ended decades ago. Since games like Diablo 2 or Elder Scrolls came out, learning about game mechanics is a commen thing, and that's more than 20 years ago.

Nov 8, 2022, 14:2311/08/22
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harleQuinn

Showing me how you farm campaign isn't showing me your builds for Valk, Kael or UDK.

But enough for prove it, your  not right, when you write, my Kale sure isnt fitting well, because the stronger affinity could overdamage. Thats was not an accident, why i wrote before your answer "dont come with fitting, thats will your first answer", because guys i know you, everythings is the other mistake. No matter what we wrote, sure the game is fine, just like when i wrote low pvp point reward system will cause problems, answer from you, thats fine, but when the all pvp system collapsed everyone forgot everything. The UDK is fine too at low leagues with 6star items. 

Have nice day!

dthorne04Moderator
Nov 8, 2022, 14:2811/08/22
12/30/20
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But enough for prove it, your  not right, when you write, my Kale sure isnt fitting well, because the stronger affinity could overdamage. Thats was not an accident, why i wrote before your answer "dont come with fitting, thats will your first answer", because guys i know you, everythings is the other mistake. No matter what we wrote, sure the game is fine, just like when i wrote low pvp point reward system will cause problems, answer from you, thats fine, but when the all pvp system collapsed everyone forgot everything. The UDK is fine too at low leagues with 6star items. 

Have nice day!

After many posts I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make. You are uninterested in showing builds, seeing where you may have gone wrong or right. This would actually constitute a contribution to the thread rather than your baseless whining. @harleQuinn tested it, showed her builds and results with complete transparency and is actually interested in helping players. 

At this point it's just gone into misinformation based upon your own anecdotal evidence. Leave the thread alone so new players can gain something from it. 

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 8, 2022, 20:3011/08/22
Nov 8, 2022, 20:30(edited)
02/24/19
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So I was thinking about it, and even if Deleted doesn't want help and wants to just complain about UDK, I wanted to break down the main reason he is struggling with Utimate Deathknight in addition to his champ builds.

First, let's look at what Rector Drath does, healing champs turn after turn when they take their turns.

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This is a lot of healing, and normally makes Rector a great champ to bring in for long arena fights.

Now let's look at what UDK does, where with his passive, he heals every time an enemy champ heals.

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I hope everyone reading the thread can see the problem. Every single round of the match, Rector Drath is healing UDK four times. Then UDK heals on his own with his A3 and any gear he might be wearing, like Regeneration.

This means using Rector Drath against UDK without a heal reduction champ to go along with her is a huge mistake that could be corrected by reading the passive abilities of both champs.

Rector Drath is the worst champ in the game at fighting UDK, and using her totally creates your own problems with lengthy fights. It's a lesson in champ selection, and thinking about how champs like Rector or Wythir might work against champs like UDK that benefit from enemy heals.

Nov 9, 2022, 11:2611/09/22
04/06/22
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UDK has turned the whole Arena into a joke. There are literally dozens of ways to create an unbreakable lock with this unholy monstrosity. 


Having to forfeit after ten minutes of trying even though you've killed the other 3 opposing champions and still have all of yours is maddening, especially when the words "Too Awesome to Die" flash every time you hit the thing. Actually killing it is the most awesome experience in the game, IMOHO. 

Nov 9, 2022, 12:3311/09/22
10/15/20
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OccamsRazor

UDK has turned the whole Arena into a joke. There are literally dozens of ways to create an unbreakable lock with this unholy monstrosity. 


Having to forfeit after ten minutes of trying even though you've killed the other 3 opposing champions and still have all of yours is maddening, especially when the words "Too Awesome to Die" flash every time you hit the thing. Actually killing it is the most awesome experience in the game, IMOHO. 

A lvl 50 unasecended Venomage was good enough to help the team kill UDK. Just bring any champion with 100% heal reduction. Or any champion that can reduce enemy max hp, or anybody in a destroy set. 

Or just outdamage is healing. UDK has insane Def, you can't hit him hard enough? Yes, but the rare (!) Barbarian Soulbond Bowyer has an A2 that ignores 75% of the target's def. And that's only the easy to obtain, rare version. I just say Royal Huntsman, he should be able to one-shot most UDK builds (but yeah, not everybody has this dude, I don't have him either).

Or use a control champ. Exept of his passive "counter-healing" UDK has to act to get his shield and heal buffs. So freeze, provoke or stun him and get two turns of attacking him in a row. Or block buffs, so he doesn't get a shield and heal buff when he uses his A3.

There are so many ways to beat UDK, and you need only one of them.

Nov 9, 2022, 14:4911/09/22
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harleQuinn

So I was thinking about it, and even if Deleted doesn't want help and wants to just complain about UDK, I wanted to break down the main reason he is struggling with Utimate Deathknight in addition to his champ builds.

First, let's look at what Rector Drath does, healing champs turn after turn when they take their turns.

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This is a lot of healing, and normally makes Rector a great champ to bring in for long arena fights.

Now let's look at what UDK does, where with his passive, he heals every time an enemy champ heals.

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I hope everyone reading the thread can see the problem. Every single round of the match, Rector Drath is healing UDK four times. Then UDK heals on his own with his A3 and any gear he might be wearing, like Regeneration.

This means using Rector Drath against UDK without a heal reduction champ to go along with her is a huge mistake that could be corrected by reading the passive abilities of both champs.

Rector Drath is the worst champ in the game at fighting UDK, and using her totally creates your own problems with lengthy fights. It's a lesson in champ selection, and thinking about how champs like Rector or Wythir might work against champs like UDK that benefit from enemy heals.

Should be nice, but i dont use, just A1 with Drath and his ressurection if someone die, when battles against UDK.

dthorne04Moderator
Nov 9, 2022, 15:1511/09/22
12/30/20
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Should be nice, but i dont use, just A1 with Drath and his ressurection if someone die, when battles against UDK.


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This is from your earlier post where you whined about a 17+ minute fight. 

If you are going to be wrong and complain all over the place about UDK, at least make intelligent team choices that don't lock you into only using a useless A1. When we use that revive, we're now prolonging the fight, often by a lot. If you brought your heal reduction champ - like Venomage - it wouldn't be so bad. 

Bringing a champ who you want to cut off 2/3 of their kit is silly. It is especially so when you use this as an example of why UDK is a nightmare.  

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 9, 2022, 16:5311/09/22
02/24/19
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dthorne04


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This is from your earlier post where you whined about a 17+ minute fight. 

If you are going to be wrong and complain all over the place about UDK, at least make intelligent team choices that don't lock you into only using a useless A1. When we use that revive, we're now prolonging the fight, often by a lot. If you brought your heal reduction champ - like Venomage - it wouldn't be so bad. 

Bringing a champ who you want to cut off 2/3 of their kit is silly. It is especially so when you use this as an example of why UDK is a nightmare.  

Funny how his own screenshot is doing exactly what I mentioned was the problem.

Nov 9, 2022, 17:0011/09/22
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dthorne04


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This is from your earlier post where you whined about a 17+ minute fight. 

If you are going to be wrong and complain all over the place about UDK, at least make intelligent team choices that don't lock you into only using a useless A1. When we use that revive, we're now prolonging the fight, often by a lot. If you brought your heal reduction champ - like Venomage - it wouldn't be so bad. 

Bringing a champ who you want to cut off 2/3 of their kit is silly. It is especially so when you use this as an example of why UDK is a nightmare.  

Thats was an auto fight, whem i just show the time. After  12 hours work just started a fight, and went to bathroom, but overall i cant use just manual fight against UDK teams. But when i fight with manual, the fight times not realy changes.

Another thing my UDK overhealing my Drath because UDK got 6 star items which give to everyone Plarium plus use Get Comfy skill which is healing the enemy UDK. (Not for me for everyone too) Who see the silver leagues know it, almost every team has UDK. Neverming i got a Zargala, she will help too. But Venomage its more than enough. But this is not changing my opinion, the UDK with the free 6 stars item gifts, its too much in low level leagues (many weeks need for other heroes to reach good 6 star items from dungeons), and their battle times too long for new players. Ok everyone can find a solution against UDK, thats a fact, but not so easily for a starter. Need luck for character pull and grinding weeks to reach good items for their heroes to counter.

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 9, 2022, 17:0211/09/22
02/24/19
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Thats was an auto fight, whem i just show the time. After  12 hours work just started a fight, and went to bathroom, but overall i cant use just manual fight against UDK teams. But when i fight with manual, the fight times not realy changes.

Another thing my UDK overhealing my Drath because UDK got 6 star items which give to everyone Plarium plus use Get Comfy skill which is healing the enemy UDK. (Not for me for everyone too) Who see the silver leagues know it, almost every team has UDK. Neverming i got a Zargala, she will help too. But Venomage its more than enough. But this is not changing my opinion, the UDK with the free 6 stars item gifts, its too much in low level leagues (many weeks need for other heroes to reach good 6 star items from dungeons), and their battle times too long for new players. Ok everyone can find a solution against UDK, thats a fact, but not so easily for a starter. Need luck for character pull and grinding weeks to reach good items for their heroes to counter.

My post, where I built an account and didn't use a single counter and went 100-1 proves you completely wrong. :)