SNOWWHITE said:

BiohazarD said:

Yosho Sama said:

I've been playing this game for a little over 2 years and playing online games close to 20 years and this is one of the worst changes to a fundamental game mechanic I've seen in a very long time. The ratio or people who've responded to the views of this thread  should be a clear indication to the developer that people are not pleased with the new system.

So far almost 30% have taken the time to respond, and it's a safe bet that those who have read this thread and haven't posted feel that their voice won't have any influence what so ever on the out come of this recent change and that is truly unfortunate.

You tell us that you have had good results, that your feed back has been favorable, that we need to adapt to the new system and not to panic. Those answers in and of themselves show a complete and total lack of respect for the time, effort, energy and money many have put into this game to date.

We understand that you provide us with a service and changes are inevitable, but not taking into consideration the thoughts and feelings of the majority of player base is the quickest route to a dwindling player base and lose of revenue to your company.

The changes that have been made have changed the fundamental mechanics behind how many people play this game and moved it away from what they have enjoyed and kept them here. Telling us that things aren't so different from what we have known and are better compared to what we have seen on the first day of this change is unacceptable.

The big pay outs we received from infestations are how we build are forces quickly and wage war, so we can enjoy the game. The current system will only hurt the game and create a very large divide between those that benefited from the old system and those forced to endure a poorly implemented change.

With out large offensive payouts from the old system taking emitters from established clans will prove nearly impossible and newer clans that try to hold emitters with out the large defensive payouts will never hold a emitter against established players for any period of time. We don't mind a challenge but it has gone from something enjoyable to nearly impossible with the new system. I digressed a bit there, but that is the briefest of examples of how a game breaking a change the new system is. Sorry for the wall of text :)

Actually it is possible to win far more troops on the new system, it just takes more skill and patience (and tedious number tracking haha). 

Thank you Yosho Sama well said.

@Bio, seriously ? it just takes more skill and patience,.. really? its like it didnt so far took enough patience and skill but now we need to have patience to work for a payout  10 months and have more skill in actually keeping the patience because instead of playing the game we would have to do is a tedious number of tracking. Which part of the "we dont like the new infest system" you are failing to see ?

No I understand that you don't like the new infest system.  I'm just saying that your dislike is unfounded :P  Then again my favorite part of the game has always been analyzing the math behind the mechanics, so I guess I might be a bit biased.  The old system was certainly more newbie-friendly. 

btw Psykik, for a level 100 you seem to need about 160-170 mil loaded to get a full payout.  I agree that is pretty high, but then again the amount of troops you win at that level is large also. 

BiohazarD said:

SNOWWHITE said:

BiohazarD said:

Yosho Sama said:

I've been playing this game for a little over 2 years and playing online games close to 20 years and this is one of the worst changes to a fundamental game mechanic I've seen in a very long time. The ratio or people who've responded to the views of this thread  should be a clear indication to the developer that people are not pleased with the new system.

So far almost 30% have taken the time to respond, and it's a safe bet that those who have read this thread and haven't posted feel that their voice won't have any influence what so ever on the out come of this recent change and that is truly unfortunate.

You tell us that you have had good results, that your feed back has been favorable, that we need to adapt to the new system and not to panic. Those answers in and of themselves show a complete and total lack of respect for the time, effort, energy and money many have put into this game to date.

We understand that you provide us with a service and changes are inevitable, but not taking into consideration the thoughts and feelings of the majority of player base is the quickest route to a dwindling player base and lose of revenue to your company.

The changes that have been made have changed the fundamental mechanics behind how many people play this game and moved it away from what they have enjoyed and kept them here. Telling us that things aren't so different from what we have known and are better compared to what we have seen on the first day of this change is unacceptable.

The big pay outs we received from infestations are how we build are forces quickly and wage war, so we can enjoy the game. The current system will only hurt the game and create a very large divide between those that benefited from the old system and those forced to endure a poorly implemented change.

With out large offensive payouts from the old system taking emitters from established clans will prove nearly impossible and newer clans that try to hold emitters with out the large defensive payouts will never hold a emitter against established players for any period of time. We don't mind a challenge but it has gone from something enjoyable to nearly impossible with the new system. I digressed a bit there, but that is the briefest of examples of how a game breaking a change the new system is. Sorry for the wall of text :)

Actually it is possible to win far more troops on the new system, it just takes more skill and patience (and tedious number tracking haha). 

Thank you Yosho Sama well said.

@Bio, seriously ? it just takes more skill and patience,.. really? its like it didnt so far took enough patience and skill but now we need to have patience to work for a payout  10 months and have more skill in actually keeping the patience because instead of playing the game we would have to do is a tedious number of tracking. Which part of the "we dont like the new infest system" you are failing to see ?

No I understand that you don't like the new infest system.  I'm just saying that your dislike is unfounded :P  Then again my favorite part of the game has always been analyzing the math behind the mechanics, so I guess I might be a bit biased.  The old system was certainly more newbie-friendly. 

btw Psykik, for a level 100 you seem to need about 160-170 mil loaded to get a full payout.  I agree that is pretty high, but then again the amount of troops you win at that level is large also. 

Bio where is your proof? you have none no screen shots nothing at all. You say this based on thin air and you call yourself a moderator that is not on any side. Where is that flying pig!!!

We (Bio and i) made some suggestions / hints across this and the topic "all about new infest system" about strategy how to play and get rewards.

If you read it, i think you will be smart enough to rethink your strategy on how to play them.

We already answered in fact how to do.

We know it will take more time to play and you need to do more calculating / tracking of infestbattles.

But please read our suggestions.

For your interest, i spend about 12K dizzys to test the new system for a work around, and that test failed. So i also know how not to do the new infest system.

We gave you some hints, all we tell is based on our game experience.

Maniakaal said:

We (Bio and i) made some suggestions / hints across this and the topic "all about new infest system" about strategy how to play and get rewards.

If you read it, i think you will be smart enough to rethink your strategy on how to play them.

We already answered in fact how to do.

We know it will take more time to play and you need to do more calculating / tracking of infestbattles.

But please read our suggestions.

For your interest, i spend about 12K dizzys to test the new system for a work around, and that test failed. So i also know how not to do the new infest system.

We gave you some hints, all we tell is based on our game experience.

 

LOL you waste your troops failed and still say it works. The only question now is how much does one get on the plarium payroll?

Tiras said:

Maniakaal said:

We (Bio and i) made some suggestions / hints across this and the topic "all about new infest system" about strategy how to play and get rewards.

If you read it, i think you will be smart enough to rethink your strategy on how to play them.

We already answered in fact how to do.

We know it will take more time to play and you need to do more calculating / tracking of infestbattles.

But please read our suggestions.

For your interest, i spend about 12K dizzys to test the new system for a work around, and that test failed. So i also know how not to do the new infest system.

We gave you some hints, all we tell is based on our game experience.

 

LOL you waste your troops failed and still say it works. The only question now is how much does one get on the plarium payroll?

No, i am telling, that 1 kind of strategy i tested NOT works. Working on new strategy now, but sorry, i am not on a payroll at plarium, so i just need some time to rebuild units to be able continue my testing

Maniakaal said:

Tiras said:

Maniakaal said:

We (Bio and i) made some suggestions / hints across this and the topic "all about new infest system" about strategy how to play and get rewards.

If you read it, i think you will be smart enough to rethink your strategy on how to play them.

We already answered in fact how to do.

We know it will take more time to play and you need to do more calculating / tracking of infestbattles.

But please read our suggestions.

For your interest, i spend about 12K dizzys to test the new system for a work around, and that test failed. So i also know how not to do the new infest system.

We gave you some hints, all we tell is based on our game experience.

 

LOL you waste your troops failed and still say it works. The only question now is how much does one get on the plarium payroll?

 

No, i am telling, that 1 kind of strategy i tested NOT works. Working on new strategy now, but sorry, i am not on a payroll at plarium, so i just need some time to rebuild units to be able continue my testing

Say it in the mirror enough times and you never know it might come true. If you was a real player you would know how long it takes to build troops but I guess it's much easier for staff to build and waste troops. For the rest of us real players who spent time real money on troops wasting them is not a option.

Bio i dont agree with you that my dislike and every others dislike is unfounded.

With all the respect you two started to sound like that guy i sent to buy me 8 pieces of fresh lake trout and he got back with 10 pieces of frozen headless mackerel, cause he figured it out that its cheaper and i would get two more fishes instead of 8... i fired him.

So, since it appears you two are the only ones that are drinking water and we the rest obviously drink oil, how about posting that proofs of those huge payouts?

I want to see why should i waste my time on this game doing that back and forth and back with the troops i am sending at infests multiple times, then calculating the troops i sent, the troops i gained, the troops i will send again, the troops that returned undead and that i will send again, the troops i will have to build and waste even more time for God even doesn't know how long, cause the lvl 100 infest i killed payed me not even close enough to proceed to kill the next one  etc. etc.. instead of making some joint attack at some emitter or raiding/killing or anything else that includes fun and does not mean sitting whole day and repeating the same thing and pissing... cursing,.. whatever angry people do. 

I want to see what is so much better in this version from hell of infest system,.. enlighten me, convince me its better, give me proof, but please dont let me wait for 10 months. I dont plan to stay that long.

I would like to propose Plarium makes a voting topic. And then add a news message with a link to said topic.

They will let this topic run for say hmmm 1 week.

3 vote options:

1: Keep the new infest system

2: Return the old infest system

3: Neutral

If the outcome is at least 51% for any option 1 or 2 that gets implemented.

Would be a great show of respect towards the long time players and give us the feeling they are listening to us players

Rhylian said:

I would like to propose Plarium makes a voting topic. And then add a news message with a link to said topic.

They will let this topic run for say hmmm 1 week.

3 vote options:

1: Keep the new infest system

2: Return the old infest system

3: Neutral

 

If the outcome is at least 51% for any option 1 or 2 that gets implemented.

 

Would be a great show of respect towards the long time players and give us the feeling they are listening to us players

Here is a person with common sense.

Commanders, read this POST please. There you can find more info about the Infestation Reward System

I for one will do no more infestations.

Right here is the flaw in Plarium's thinking.

"4. How do these frequent small rewards affect the overall reward system?

You'll need to hit more Infestations in order to claim the big rewards you used to get. On the other hand, you will always receive bonus troops for a win."

It takes me two to three weeks to break one high level infestation. It already took several to get a payout. How you have made it take even more. The stupid little payouts are worthless and only make me angry.

I do understand their plan. This will sucker in the new players. They don't care about the upper level players

"You remember huge payouts for the infests, but you should also remember that they were a rare thing. Now you get the guaranteed payouts for Infestations, though in smaller portions. This brings more balance to the Infestation aspect of the game. If you calculate all the rewards received using a new system, you will see almost the same value which is divided into several parts."

And by your own admission it will take us longer to get that same payout. So ultimately we lose time. The only way to recover that time is to spend money. Thus your real motive.

I have a suggestion, don't use fleet battle group units on infests cuz if ou get less units coming out than when you went in, why take he risk of losing expensive units?

NUT Job Musty said:

I for one will do no more infestations.

 

Right here is the flaw in Plarium's thinking.

 

4. How do these frequent small rewards affect the overall reward system?

You'll need to hit more Infestations in order to claim the big rewards you used to get. On the other hand, you will always receive bonus troops for a win.

 

It takes me two to three weeks to break one high level infestation. It already took several to get a payout. How you have made it take even more. The stupid little payouts are worthless and only make me angry.

 

I do understand their plan. This will sucker in the new players. They don't care about the upper level players

I AGREE WITH ALL THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT....TO TELL THE TRUTH I CAT FIND ANY POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM ANY MEMBERS,,EXCEPT MODERATORS.....I SAY LET CLAN CL  FROM ALL CLANS VOTE ON THE ISSUE.....UNLESS MANAGEMENT ARE AFRAID OF DEMOCRACY.

There is many other game like this out there and the admin do listen to the players and implement new updates based on the players views. So why bother to play a game where the admin don't?

Plarium thinks they are above the people who in fact pay the wages, this being said I hope many will quit and move on to other games.

When a restaurant changes the menu and customers don't like the change they will revert or lose the customers for good on the basis that they the company are in a market where if you don't satisfy the customer you will have no customer.

DeaD HeaD said:

I just received 701 QC's and 3505 Plasma cannons from a lvl 67 offence, system does give large payouts.  I had a few yellow and 25 million resources loaded in the infests already when you updated it, I killed a 64 defence for small payout  66 offence for small payout and then 67 offence for large payout, burning all the small payouts. Old system I would have been paid on the 64.

It doesn't matter how big the payouts are if it takes you almost twice as long to get them. That is like your boss saying you still get the same pay you just have to work more hours.

DeaD HeaD said:

I just received 701 QC's and 3505 Plasma cannons from a lvl 67 offence, system does give large payouts.  I had a few yellow and 25 million resources loaded in the infests already when you updated it, I killed a 64 defence for small payout  66 offence for small payout and then 67 offence for large payout, burning all the small payouts. Old system I would have been paid on the 64.

where is your screenshot?

not sure how to post it here but try this http://prntscr.com/7qg7je

 I guess this one shows it better  http://prntscr.com/7qg88b   those BC's are from the 66 mini payout

NUT Ape said:

people complained from nukes but kept playin n payin

people complained about the daily login crystals but kept playin n payin

people complained about changin build up/tech up times but kept playin n payin

people complained from sector teleportin but kept playin n payin

same people are here complainin about the new infest system but they will keep playin n payin

 

♫ I'll take you to the plarium shop
If you wanna infest a lot
I'll have you spending all you got
Keep going 'til you hit the spot (woah) ♫

 

 

^^^^ This Ape is ready to move right next to the General's sector and do suicide bombing so he can finally join his brothers in the banana heavens. ( Morgana is payin for the explosives )

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

you might still be playing but NuTHOUSE shut it down. No infests and no crystals until its gone. Hopefully its handled before everyone quits. Have to hit plarium in the checkbook. Only way to stop this nonsense. 

NUT Shot said:

NUT Ape said:

people complained from nukes but kept playin n payin

people complained about the daily login crystals but kept playin n payin

people complained about changin build up/tech up times but kept playin n payin

people complained from sector teleportin but kept playin n payin

same people are here complainin about the new infest system but they will keep playin n payin

 

♫ I'll take you to the plarium shop
If you wanna infest a lot
I'll have you spending all you got
Keep going 'til you hit the spot (woah) ♫

 

 

^^^^ This Ape is ready to move right next to the General's sector and do suicide bombing so he can finally join his brothers in the banana heavens. ( Morgana is payin for the explosives )

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

you might still be playing but NuTHOUSE shut it down. No infests and no crystals until its gone. Hopefully its handled before everyone quits. Have to hit plarium in the checkbook. Only way to stop this nonsense. 

Lol, good luck then. But I think there still going to be people that's going to buy Crystals tho.

I think I figured out the new system. Every 5 months you can get an infest pay. So you can attack an emitter twice a year. Sounds like fun.. Now I understand. I get it. I love playing games where I cant do anything ever. Makes it more exciting that way. Who wants to play daily or get paid every 4-5 infests? Thats stupid. Plarium is so smart... 

What was I thinking? new system rocks for people who plan on playing another 20 years