PMC said:

I will post this  once more   for you  to look at.  this is offense positions from 180-190.     on my calculator there are four colors to indicate force needed to  win each position      yellow -  for the least amount of force  orange for the second amount of force needed,  red for the third strongest force needed   and the darkest red  for the strongest force needed to win.    if you  only attack  by the least amount of force  possible you will get payout.       

https://gyazo.com/5a428c1cd60502eddfcd89301129da8b

level 190     5.4 mil heavies.

https://gyazo.com/c26a9e863348f4ac641a3f460708ec7e

188  5.2 mil heavies

https://gyazo.com/af590b9169ae0ff08eb5f778f083c0c9

186.    5.6 mil heavies

https://gyazo.com/af9fd78a4ea8c0242378613dc13ac17c

183.   5.1 mil phalanx

https://gyazo.com/b861f9b1ce9e57ef9597c317fdf14297

182.  5 ,1mil phalanx,   but I would still hit with 5.3 mil lights  and save my phalanx

https://gyazo.com/fdb4d37d5eeb3079cae84970358fe162

181.   4.8   lights or heavies. 

to knockdown these positions  you need 26-27mil in lights and heavies   and 5.1 mil   in phalanx.     if you use anything other than that   you will not get a payout.      or  your payout will be smaller than it should for what you put into it.

If your Units, Light & Heavy, are Full Power and use a +50% offensive Bonus when attack positions you need about 9 months to train Light & Heavy Units (without boosters) in order to knockdown these Positions.

Why you must attack Positions with Light & Heavy in order to get a Payout ?

Hi IOANNES,  well if you use phalanx and cav  you can up the total power  that you would lose to beat these positions.   if you are trying to grow army you don't want to lose power to gain less power.  Besides why would you use phlanx and cav  they are for cap  and pvp. pp is really only a troop converter  with a little add bonus  sometimes but not always.  But every day you can take 20-30 mil power in lights and heavies  and make 20-44 mil in cav and/or phlanx.   and yes  the time is the problem   but these are level 180-190.   you can easily play between levels 1-100  with lights and heavies  at least monthly.   And slowly grow at an even rate.   You can play with phalanx and cav but this is more or less for points, and complete loss. You might as well go play pvp for those.  Only if you are very lucky will you be able to cycle 20 mil in phalanx into a 20 mil reward. Most of the time you will end with nothing.    Or feeling like you were short changed in payout.  

i would like to share my experiense with PP playing for 2 years so far. All tips i give would help a non coiner progress in the game.

First to say i dont use revivng ( all drachmas go for sketches). So my results regarding persians gain/loss are not poluted from reviving.

Here is how i understand PP System:

1. PP work on loan system based on resourse value. When you get a payout you get a loan. 

2. In order to get the next payout you pay the loan + tax of 20%

3. The tax you pay is your LOSS of playing persians. More payouts result more  tax payed, therefore higher losses. If you play so often PP and payouts are too frequent you may end up loosing large amount of your army inevitable and irreversible, because your production doesnt cover the tax payed.

4. Losses can be minimized when playing PP during tourneys but never neutralized. Overall loss is always 10% and higher

5. Best units for persians are Sidonians, golden shields and Carthaginians. Those units make your city to convert up to 30% more resourses per day comparing to regular army. They cost a lot of grain, which is good because grain is the most abundat resourse at the moment.  Their production time in academy and amphetheater must be maxed out.

6. The more upgraded those units are - better rewards from tourneys i.e reducing loss from tax payed. Deff/off booster, dominion helps at the same manner.

7. If you are not a coiner- dont go over position of 65

8. A payout from position 65 is payed usually for 18-20 days of sacrifycing sidoniaans G.Sh. and Cart.  With normal units >24days

9. Dont use any regular, champions, denari or imperial units on persians.

10.  With this type of system city produces  2-3 mil of deffense/offense   every 18-20 days

11. Always play parsians with full storages. It is acceptable if you lack of wood for example use persians to fill it up. It will reduce army payout with the ammount of resourse given.

 Using this system will allow a non coiner to get a decent general quipment, decent tournament rewards (drachmas and champions) and nice leveling. 

Hi All,

PP (server 2) has been atrocious of late. I did several high level positions recently without a single decent payout. The previous PP tourney rocked but this one is just downright diabolical! I expected better payouts from these levels. See for yourself:

http://prntscr.com/i5r4oj

http://prntscr.com/i5r4w6

http://prntscr.com/i5r50l

http://prntscr.com/i5r54n

http://prntscr.com/i5r595

http://prntscr.com/i5r5un

Personally I have never sent a huge amount of units after already exceeding my refund. But perhaps these failures are due to overloading the bank, overtake his bank of more than 10 million resources is already huge.

It's just my opinion.

Skulder said:

My next  payout  after the previous posted ,  yesterday the same didn't get an   payout only lose some troups  and  today after clearing  4 positions (https://imgur.com/wm3clUo )..get this... got my  progress in tournament ...with the help of others we are at multipler 2 x ..  So i   think these time i breakeven  ..or lose a few  troups   ...but not much ... and  got a lot of horses  and didn't lose one  horse or imperial troups like others said  you should have to do  :)     Like i said if you guys want  better rewards you will get greater losses  also..For me it's slow and steady and without  headache trying to break the algorithm using all  kinds of spreadsheets  ..Best regards to all   

The only Jokes Here is the Jokes Payouts you post.

IOANNIS said:

PMC said:

Hi IOANNES,  well if you use phalanx and cav  you can up the total power  that you would lose to beat these positions.   if you are trying to grow army you don't want to lose power to gain less power.  Besides why would you use phlanx and cav  they are for cap  and pvp. pp is really only a troop converter  with a little add bonus  sometimes but not always.  But every day you can take 20-30 mil power in lights and heavies  and make 20-44 mil in cav and/or phlanx.   and yes  the time is the problem   but these are level 180-190.   you can easily play between levels 1-100  with lights and heavies  at least monthly.   And slowly grow at an even rate.   You can play with phalanx and cav but this is more or less for points, and complete loss. You might as well go play pvp for those.  Only if you are very lucky will you be able to cycle 20 mil in phalanx into a 20 mil reward. Most of the time you will end with nothing.    Or feeling like you were short changed in payout.  

Hi PMC, From All offence units only S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior are profitable in strength, you gain more strength than you lose, when exchange them at PP.

Example :

When you exchange Swordsmen with Sarissophoros the total strength of them is 31% less than total strength of Swordsmen you use. So every time you use light & Heavy except S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior you lose at least 31% in strength.

mate don't  forget also you need  S.Pikeman & G.S.Warrior  for youre champhionship units ..so you don't gain   strenghts if  you  exchange them all the time  in the position :)

rome said:

to alyona - are you kidding me.???  you say it does not change Really.??? funny to hear. it has changed over the past few months

As I said - no changes were made over the past few month. The last change was more than a year ago! And it wasn't related to rewards. 

I guess nobody wants me to check their PPs as I don't see the info I asked for in my previous post. 

The fact that your strategies work differently on higher PP levels should not surprise you, since higher PP levels are stronger, possible rewards are bigger, and you may need some time to adjust.

No changes were made to PPs. If you think that something went wrong, I could check your PP logs for you to make sure that everything goes well. I'll just need some dates of your last figths that you consider broken:) - alyona kolomiitseva

Im giving you permission to check on my account and in return you better come up with an honest to goodness explanation as to what happened to persian positions. date of last payout was october 28, 2019. last i played positions was today october 29, 2019. I started from the lowest level up to level 143. check it out. 

jolila said:

No changes were made to PPs. If you think that something went wrong, I could check your PP logs for you to make sure that everything goes well. I'll just need some dates of your last figths that you consider broken:) - alyona kolomiitseva

Im giving you permission to check on my account and in return you better come up with an honest to goodness explanation as to what happened to persian positions. date of last payout was october 28, 2019. last i played positions was today october 29, 2019. I started from the lowest level up to level 143. check it out. 

I've replied to your message in this thread. By the way, have you checked MIKALOSOS's comment above? He shares his experience on how to efficiently hit Positions and his recommendations may be useful for others.