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New F2P Players CAN NOT win in Arena

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15 квіт. 2021, 15:0515.04.21
20.02.21
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@L9753 

Agree,   its  just  more  of  a  function  right  now  of  what  he  can  get  for  gear  both  still  need  spoed  to  be  effective  on  his  arena  team...but  rh  needs  crit  and  speed  which  argueably  is  a  little  more  difficult  to  manage,  which  is  why  i  thought  wm  was  the  better  option..i  see  your  point  though  about  replacement...

15 квіт. 2021, 15:3015.04.21
15.09.20
118

new players can reach arena silver and gold easier than the old player. the reason is your team power decides the opponents you get in arena. so if you are new player, choose Kael and build him properly. do not pull any shards. spend all potions, books, scrolls on kael and you will move faster.

15 квіт. 2021, 17:3515.04.21
15 квіт. 2021, 22:25(відредаговано)
02.05.14
88

This was funny to read, but now is allways the same.

People can write the best heroes and sinergy, the best guide for arena. But in reality only a few read the forums.

We need change in game, something that the new people not need read.

(sorry english is not my main lenguage).

15 квіт. 2021, 17:3915.04.21
05.04.21
12

Im 62 days in and cant get over bronze 1 yet, its frustarting, and i already spend like 60 dollars.i wont be able to do fusion.

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15 квіт. 2021, 18:5815.04.21
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Im 62 days in and cant get over bronze 1 yet, its frustarting, and i already spend like 60 dollars.i wont be able to do fusion.

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Your team has probably a speed problem. No champ in your team offers speed-aura or turnmeter-boost, like High Khatun does, you should have got her at day 30 as free login-reward, even if I can't see her in your pic. I hope you didn't use her as food. Roshcard can't help if the whole team is dead before he can act. I don't even think he fits to the rest of your team. Teams with Roshcard can be very powerfull, but I don't see champions in your roster that match. Something like Rhazin, Stag Knight, Doompriest, Roshcard (in a shield set) would be hard to beat. You don't have the champs for such a team.

Replace Roshcard with High Khatun. Make Sinesha Lvl 60, put her in damage gear and let her act last, after Galek attacked, so her A1 does a double hit. Should bring you into Silver.


14 квіт. 2021, 17:5614.04.21
14 квіт. 2021, 18:03(відредаговано)
20.02.21
55

I  dont  know  if  people  are  spending  way   More  gems  on  resfreses  than  my  kid  but  i  can  tell  you  the  run  wm/hi/sh/starter  has  only  gotten  him  so far.    Almost  every  team  he  sees  on  refresh  is  a  speed  team  running epics  and  legos.    Often  60,  mostly  fully  ascended.      So  i  think  it  is  unfair  to  say  follow  the  meta  and  you  will  be  fine.    He  cant  win  the  favorable  matchups  fast  enough  to  tread  water  in  b2.  He  is  running  HK  with  190  speed  and  against  spped  teams  his  level  its  still  50/50  he  goes  first

his  pp  is  330.    Yes  he  has  pulled  to  many  shards  and  sits  on  a  bank  of  blues  that  he  may  never  use.    But  Not  being  able  to  work  his  way  out  of  b2  seems  a  bit  silly.

14 квіт. 2021, 17:3314.04.21
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@L9753 

It is true that I focused on arena this time around but I don't think I really limited myself to other parts of the game. I'm able to solo brutal campaign. I'm near enough on most dungeons to always run a 5* artifact stage. I run faction wars high elven crypt high enough now to at least get a chance at 3* glyphs. I don't do CB yet because I haven't the complete team to run it affectively. I have pulled some ok champs during the 2x events (see below), which some I am beginning to develop but I want a specific team for CB and am content to wait for the right champs to drop.

We all know now that player power is a key factor in match making in the bronze & silver levels. At some point I will hit a wall in arena but as long as I can stay within bronze IV and silver II then I'll earn enough medals to continue working on the great hall. I can't argue with those that feel the match making system is horrible and perhaps discouraging, and my posts weren't meant in any way to belittle those players. I just wanted to show an example that has worked for me to handle arena and progress in the game without spending real currency. I enjoy arena. I like having enemy teams that I have to think and plan how to beat. Yes I have to play within the confines of Plarium's game design and maybe things could be easier but I as a player would most likely lose interest in the game.

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14 квіт. 2021, 15:2014.04.21
14 квіт. 2021, 18:05(відредаговано)
19.01.21
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I made it to S2 before I had High Khatun as well. Most of the way there I used Athel, Courtier, Warpriest and Spirithost. I don't know if Athel was 6* at the time or not, but the rest were definitely not on account of them still not being 6*. At some point I switched Warpriest for Shaman (also still 5*). Apart from Athel who had some 4* rare/epic stuff (lifesteal from the new player rewards), they were mostly equipped in 2-3* gear from the campaign. The team was without a doubt considerably worse than anything posted above. I think I was in S1 when I switched out Courtier for Madame Serris that I was lucky enough to get. I think my player power was around 200k or thereabout at the time.

So yes, you absolutely can get to silver as a new player, but in my case it was for the single reason that I didn't open any shards because I had been told to wait until 2x events (I opened 4 or 5, don't remember, void shards during the first 2x event I was in, which is when I got the aforementioned Serris). It wasn't until the 2x ancient shard event that my player power jumped up to about 300k and I could no longer maintain my arena position. It took about 10 minutes, or however long I spent opening shards, for the arena to go from reasonable to impossible. There are some posts when I documented this while trying to figure out the matchmaking system, and evidently I was correct.

This is not an argument that the arena is fine. It's in fact the complete opposite. Whether your position is that a team like I used shouldn't be able to get to S2, or that it should, it just serves as further evidence that the matchmaking is completely absurd. Either I shouldn't have been able to get as high as I did to begin with, or I should arguably be able to do so now when my team is considerably better. Neither is the case, and instead the game arbitrarily punishes the player... for playing the game. I'm not sure what possibility I find more concerning; that no one realized what this would do before they added it, or that they did and added it anyway. I have some theories on why they might've, but let's just say they are not very flattering.

14 квіт. 2021, 14:4314.04.21
14 квіт. 2021, 14:57(відредаговано)
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@FrostNFire 

10% speed aura with no speed boosters with 171 and 181 base speed on your nukers with that level of attack on Kael and crit damage on both of them?  You sure you didn't move some items around because I have an extremely hard time believing that with the setup you just linked, you are winning in silver.  It took me getting my High Khatun to 235 base to even go first frequently enough to get into silver.  It took a second speed booster to get my Kael (who was higher than either of your champs) to go fast enough to be able to nuke.  Your defense is nonexist so you aren't surving strikes.  Let's just say that Plarium is giving you very different opponents than most of us faced if you can win anything at that level.  I am also flabberghasted that your team power is that high with such low stats.

As skadi said above I specifically select teams to fight that don't have a speed lead. I try and make the best guess I can as to how the enemies team works as a whole. I think I said in a post earlier that individual stats on a champ doesn't really matter if they never get a turn to use them. 

My stats are exactly as I posted, I have no reason at all to mislead you. Im a level 43, 233k player and am in my 24th day of play on this account (see below). On my last account I had champs that were better equipt and at two months in I couldn't get out of bronze III. There was a lot I was doing wrong. I had Warmaiden and never used her because I didn't really understand why the defense down debuff was all that. I had Bellower with his defense down and attack down and he wasn't at all impressive. I didn't know that Warmaiden's defense down ignores shields and only a very high resistance stat will stop it, which is why I have Warmaiden accuracy as high as I can get. Below is Elhain's gearing.

Now my stats may be higher than expected because I have all masteries done on Elhain and Kael. I hoarded gems and used those for maxing out their masteries instead of grinding Minotaur forever. 

Oh and your right I don't survive many direct strikes. My gear as I said before is built around what each individual champ needs. Elhain's gear is focused on attack, crit rate & crit damage for main stats and sub-stats with also some speed sub-stat on almost every piece and speed as the main stats on her boots. Kael is more of a compromise becuase I wanted high accuracy so his attack is lower as a result. 

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