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27 берез. 2017, 07:3927.03.17
06.11.14
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Banking in Prizes(New)

Just to Summarize the previous thread. Unless you're willing to read all 6 pages here we go:

Brethren and Pardond units are worth half of their normal unit counter parts.

Dark Corsairs, Gear and Dread units have a unknown value when doing prizes.

Black Corsair and Safe Havens do have a difference in strength compared to Sea Forts and Caravels. With the latter being more powerful.

The Bank is the resource value of the troops you receive, resources plus interest. The interest many of us go by is 12% The better the unit the higher the resource value ex..Jug = 25k or a maurader = 300 To figure out your bank you take the number of units * resource value + interest = bank.

Certain in game items can boost the power of your troops - relics, potions, knowledge, 10 or 20 defense or offense boost, 50/50 both def and off, and Prestige. Excluding potions and knowledge the other items generally have a time limit from 4 hours - 30 days(max) they're good for.

You don't necessarily have to spend money to get giant fleets. If you plan your participation in tournaments right you can win in game items and rubies, without spending a cent. But some of us do like the added edge or just don't have a cap on their budget.

Most prizes give you some sort of small payout to give you the ability to keep going but if you bank enough you'll get a large payout. Those small payouts though are part of your bank. Offense will always have a higher value than its defense counter part ex Sub v Jug - Sub 7500, Jug 25k or Maurader 300 v Bonnie 120. Many have different outlooks on it but to equate which troop to use: time to produce + resource value + comparable value in def and/or offense stats.

From what players have noticed doing your highest level prize does reduce your payout because you get pearls

Depending on your resources in your warehouses, this can effect your payout of troops. Its best to have 80-100% of your warehouses full to avoid getting resources and more troops.

Doing prizes is the only way to feed your bank. Doing adventures, pvp or basically any loss of troops outside of prizes does not help you with your bank.

Personal suggestion - join a BH they'll help you learn. If they don't then leave and find another one that actually will help you grow. As BH leaders its more beneficial to us that you know what you're doing

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31 берез. 2017, 09:1231.03.17
20.02.17
1

Pardon me to ask but are you 100% sure that pardonned units have half value?

i never saw it comfirmed by Anne bonnie i think

thx :)
31 берез. 2017, 09:1731.03.17
231988
They have a certain value, but we cannot tell you any exact information.
31 берез. 2017, 09:5131.03.17
20.02.17
1

Also what about the value of black sail? do we know?

thx :)
3 квіт. 2017, 11:0303.04.17
06.11.14
579

taggg1008 said:

Pardon me to ask but are you 100% sure that pardonned units have half value?

i never saw it comfirmed by Anne bonnie i think

thx :)

This information has not been confirmed by Anne Bonnie or any CM. However thru player research that's what veteran players have found.


For your second question. From my understanding it should be the same cost listed as what it takes to build.



The benefit to Veteran units as you can see is a reduced cost in resources but also the ability to build double the number of the same class of troop at the same time. In this screen it would be fleet. Downside it costs rubies. If you're working in the lighthouse I suggest using regular units at least you know EXACTLY what each unit is worth.cough cough*Better than the unknown value a certain CM won't tell us* cough cough ;)
11 квіт. 2017, 17:3811.04.17
231988
I have in the bank over 100 million in resources and my highest payouts on the large scale is roughly around 45 mil to 50 mil. IDK how the payouts work as to when the system decides to give you a big 1 but I can tell you that after getting a big payout I would most of the time use it all up and end up not getting a large pay out. So the bank never pays me out in full and is always holding like 50 mil worth of resources from me after a large payout. So I end up getting stuck and cant do anything until I get more troops to be able to knock down some more prizes. For the more experienced players on prizes I would like to know at higher levels (I am on 75 highest level done) does the bank ever pay you out in full or are you always in the hole like me after a large payout? When I do my prizes my warehouse is fully stocked so I only get units. If that is something someone wanted to know from me, and also I use only white sails. I only use brethren in emergencies when I almost knocked down a prize and it has very little units left and I have no other units to use except those. I am getting really frustrated with the prize game seeing how the payouts are not paying me back anywhere close to what I have put in it.
12 квіт. 2017, 14:2912.04.17
12 квіт. 2017, 14:40(відредаговано)
20.02.17
3

If I understand correctly, using units pardoned in missions is a punishment and not a benefit? maybe the bank too calculates the consumption of rum 

13 квіт. 2017, 10:5813.04.17
231988
PeA said:

maybe the bank too calculates the consumption of rum 

I don't think so 
19 квіт. 2017, 08:4919.04.17
06.11.14
579

Xike said:


I have in the bank over 100 million in resources and my highest payouts on the large scale is roughly around 45 mil to 50 mil. IDK how the payouts work as to when the system decides to give you a big 1 but I can tell you that after getting a big payout I would most of the time use it all up and end up not getting a large pay out. So the bank never pays me out in full and is always holding like 50 mil worth of resources from me after a large payout. So I end up getting stuck and cant do anything until I get more troops to be able to knock down some more prizes. For the more experienced players on prizes I would like to know at higher levels (I am on 75 highest level done) does the bank ever pay you out in full or are you always in the hole like me after a large payout? When I do my prizes my warehouse is fully stocked so I only get units. If that is something someone wanted to know from me, and also I use only white sails. I only use brethren in emergencies when I almost knocked down a prize and it has very little units left and I have no other units to use except those. I am getting really frustrated with the prize game seeing how the payouts are not paying me back anywhere close to what I have put in it.


I'd suggest going higher, and keep doing prizes on the higher side rather than lower ones. Only drop down when you can't go up anymore. A second thing I've noticed in my own experience is to start your lighthouse run in the high 30s to 40s. You get very little back to advance. On whether the bank pays your bank in full I've noticed 75- 150% in payments. As long as the payment is in one shot though
24 квіт. 2017, 18:0224.04.17
24 квіт. 2017, 18:03(відредаговано)
20.02.17
3

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


PeA said:


maybe the bank too calculates the consumption of rum 

I don't think so 
  • "Pardon me to ask but are you 100% sure that pardonned units have half value?"
  • If this is true maybe...  

  • Gumboat: 2500 + 1500 + 1000 = 5000
  • Veteran Gumboat: 750 + 450 + 300 =1500

  • Now well...
  • pardoned Gumboat: 2500 + 1500 + 1000 =5000 (has same resources?)
  • pardoned Veteran Gumboat: 750 + 450 + 300 =1500 (has same resources?)
  • Maybe an average of both resources
  • Gumboat + Veteran Gumboat: 6500%2= 3250 (?)
  • This would approach to "pardonned units have half value" 
25 квіт. 2017, 11:1125.04.17
231988
Pea, unfortunately, I can't tell you what is the Unit value. I can only tell you that all Units have a certain value at Prizes.
4 трав. 2017, 10:2904.05.17
06.11.14
579
Because our lovely CM won't tell us the true value, I would suggest believing they have a maximum value of a veteran unit whether its a brethren or pardond unit. If you want full value use regular units. 
5 трав. 2017, 03:4905.05.17
5 трав. 2017, 03:49(відредаговано)
26.01.15
52

Alyona,


Last year you shared a "secret" of the lighthouse with us. The secret was that bretheren units do count toward your bank account. Should we assume that you were telling the truth and they are worth 100% as much as regular units? or was this a "half-truth" where bretheren units are worth less than regular units?
5 трав. 2017, 14:4005.05.17
26.01.15
52

Crowbar,


It was unfair of me to pin that on you. You know where I am going with all of this. Plarium has done little to balance out a very unlevel playing field for lighthouse prizes. So now the game has been turned into a lighthouse competition...and they keep increasing the number of levels.
CrowbarModerator
5 трав. 2017, 18:2705.05.17
07.03.16
2422

I wholeheartedly disagree with Plarium's "we won't tell you a thing" policy. Can't make strategy if you don't know how the system works, and I haven't seen this level of secrecy in other company's strategic games. I admit I have no idea how the prizes work (beyond the general concept of bank), nor do I bother much with them.

28 трав. 2017, 15:5528.05.17
03.06.14
67

Crowbar said:


I wholeheartedly disagree with Plarium's "we won't tell you a thing" policy. Can't make strategy if you don't know how the system works, and I haven't seen this level of secrecy in other company's strategic games. I admit I have no idea how the prizes work (beyond the general concept of bank), nor do I bother much with them.

They tell us enough.  Those that like to figure it out don't mind the secrecy, they actually relish in it.

14 черв. 2017, 21:5014.06.17
13.04.15
83
I stopped doing prizes after Plarium decided to change the algorythms of the payouts. We use to win large amounts of ships/subs but you  now throw away far more than you ever win, so it's best for me to just train my units and keep them in my harbor. I use to keep up with my bank, and knew down to the prize when I would hit big but since the algorythm change, no more. I won't throw away thousands of troups to win 17 SOTL and 79 Subs. Just not worth it anymore. They took the fun out of it just as they have done with many things in this game.
21 черв. 2017, 12:0521.06.17
27.03.14
1654

I changed alot of how i do prizes now, i specially build troops only for prizes, 

if i don't wanna lose them and im aware that the banking doesn't always pay out even when im expected a payout

ive done them enough to know it's doesn't always happen..





18 лип. 2017, 18:3718.07.17
13.04.15
83
Since the algorithm was changed last year,  the returns on prizes were drastically reduced. We use to get large payouts, I always kept up with my banking and built a large fleet doing prizes, after the algorithm change, I have only received little rewards. I do better just training units. I quit doing prizes because Plarium didn't like the fact that we were able to win huge fleets from prizes. The results, they changed the algorithm so we aren't able to win the large payouts anymore. Nothing like we use to win. So IMO, your just throwing away your units doing prizes. You don't win large quantities of units anymore. it's just another way the game get's you to buy your units back out of the infirmary, which I never do. Why would I throw away thousands of pirates, mercenaries, fleet and armada just to win a measly 25 SOTL and maybe 100 subs. Just not worth it anymore. Right before the algorithm change I did a prize and won 6000 subs and 2500 Juggs, since that time, I've not won a single thing. They claim your suppose to get some kind of payout on every prize, but I even had times that I didn't get a single reward.  Prizes now are a joke. I've done the math, I have always kept up with my banking, it's how I use to win large fleets, since the change, after my last large win, My bank right now should be that I should win a large fleet but that hasn't occured, I still would get no large return. Winning a couple hundred MOW or GB's to me isn't a win. Not on a level 103 prize. It's like a lottery, there are a few that get a few hundred Juggernauts or SOTL, but the large unit number wins are extinct, I mean the wins that use to result in the thousands of ships
20 лип. 2017, 14:1320.07.17
06.11.14
579
I understand your point however I'm still seeing players get payouts of 17-30 million on prizes. My suggestion however is to stop using mercs, fleet and armada for the lh and only use mauraders. Based on time + cost + stats they are actually the strongest unit when banking. Also since pirate relics are more common this becomes more beneficial when banking
4 листоп. 2017, 14:2404.11.17
231988
Why can't we see our banking accounts that we used to see before the prize update?