How a 31 unit power defeat a 500 unit def???

Do you have a problem with math ?

What is the relevance to show 500 infantry defense ...if it lose at 30 ???

If u moved my post please give me a real answer !

Aegon Targaryen said:

I agree.  There is a bug here.  Either 1 archer killing a single SW is a bug, or the defensive stat listed for the SW is a bug.  Its impossible for both to be true, regardless of the devs' intentions.

I posted in BUG category but the moderator Chrisyne moved the post here...becouse is normar for her that 30>500.

In other words ...All that sketckes we invest at lost arts ...are equal to nothing.

Dear Lords and Ladys

i wonder if there is another way to calculate the results when spirtits are involved

i have realized when i send a zero looses attack to a castle with spirits i dont suffer any looses except wraiths

that last are killed in a large amount though the rest of forces have 0 looses so since then i dont send wraiths to battles.

so may be this can made us to think about a new parameter to discover in figths formula

We have been sold a TURKEY

I tried to warn you all weeks ago that the arithmetic does not add up

Anything that dilutes the effect of Spirit Wardens is very bad news for defenders, and great news for attackers

More Game IMBALANCE

BiohazarD said:

Meh even at the old values it didn't really matter, a few thousand spirit warden def isn't gonna kill anything on a large invade.  They'll absorb a few fireballs, but if you throw enough you can get through them and kill troops pretty easily.  

Hey all!

At the moment, such situations can happen as Spirit Wardens (according to their mechanics) take all damage a Unit can give (no matter whether it's less or more than Spirit Warden can stand) and they die after that.

Alina Phoenix said:

Hey all!

At the moment, such situations can happen as Spirit Wardens (according to their mechanics) take all damage a Unit can give (no matter whether it's less or more than Spirit Warden can stand) and they die after that.

I absolutely agree with you that it doesn't look logical and devs said they're going to change this part of Spirit Wardens' mechanics soon. 

Hi Alina,

And also at Stormheart BG it is a stupidity :

- if i send more off I lose more ...

Alina Phoenix said:

Hey all!

At the moment, such situations can happen as Spirit Wardens (according to their mechanics) take all damage a Unit can give (no matter whether it's less or more than Spirit Warden can stand) and they die after that.

I absolutely agree with you that it doesn't look logical and devs said they're going to change this part of Spirit Wardens' mechanics soon. 

Thanks for informing us that they're going to change this part of their mechanics (hopefully that means 'correct' this)

However, as the mechanics currently stand, if I understand correctly:

if your archer has 30 offense, and the SW defense is 500, an attack consisting of 1 to 16 archers will take out a single SW (16x30=480), but the only way to take more than 1 SW with archers is to send at least 17 archers in the attack (17x30=510), which would then take out 2 SWs.

It seems like the coding is backwards or something.   If sending only archers, it should require a 17+ archer attack just to take out 1 SW.    That is of course, not taking into account castle walls, which even an archer must overcome before that SW gets so much as a scratch.   If Castle defense bonus is not being taken into account, that needs to get fixed as well.   Spirits or not, they're still inside the castle.  I understand that FBs don't care about the CDB, but troops do.

So, are castle defense bonuses applied to SWs?   If not, is this going to be corrected as well if only for logical reasons?

BiohazarD said:

I think the idea is that the spirit wardens go outside the castle when an attack is coming, in order to meet it before it hits the regular troops in your castle.  That's why they absorb fireballs before other units in your castle, instead of at the same time, which would result in regular units being lost as well.  So they don't benefit from castle walls. 

The fireballs go inside the castle, so the wardens would need to be inside to absorb them.  If the wardens went outside the castle, they would just much popcorn while watching the pretty castle fireworks.

In order for the wardens to be inside and still absorb the fireballs, they could 'rise up/float up' above the rest of the troops as a shield.  They're spirits.

As for the incoming troop attacks, wardens do not need to go outside to die first.  They can just surround the main troops as a shield and/or be the first line of defense at the gates and walls, depending on the troop compliment of the attacking army.  They can float, rise, and whip around as needed to intercept all incoming until they're destroyed.

Sir Dan Saul Knight said:

- Offence value (lets give the archer the benefit of loads of boosts and a very improbable offence power of 200)

- Defense value is seen in the screenshot at 500

So the total power in the fights is 700 (200 + 500)

This should lead to loss % for offence and defense of:

Offence: 71% - being 1 - (200/700)

Defense 29% - being 1 - (500/700)

You are assuming only one spirit warden defending the castle?

Seems unlikely, when he has level 7 spirit limit

The combat algorithm uses total offense and total defense ... not one on one
Unless they have secretly manipulated the algorithm ... just like they did for offense units defending against fireballs by using their OFFENSE stats instead of their defense stats (another perfect example of game imbalance)

https://prnt.sc/bgrn44

and don't forget that Divine Spirit Wardens are also defending against this attack

You need to weigh his total defense power from all Devine plus Infantry Spirit Wardens against the attack power of one archer

It would be like sending one pike against a level 20 fortress

Absolutely no way it could kill any defense .... unless our wonderful devs have a hidden agenda (again)

They have already messed up pvp points given with spirit wardens

A large enough army can raid a small army without taking any losses.  As near as I can tell, the raid mechanic just requires a larger power difference than the siege mechanic does.

Aegon Targaryen said:

A large enough army can raid a small army without taking any losses.  As near as I can tell, the raid mechanic just requires a larger power difference than the siege mechanic does.

Attackers deserve their losses

Defenders just want to be left in peace lol

Oberon's Combat Algorithm shows similar losses for attackers and defenders but was a big lie -  misinformation direct from Oberon himself

https://prnt.sc/bgrn44

B / (A+B) should determine loss percentages for everyone, but has been seriously nerfed (and now includes a Victory Tax)

Sparta tried to introduce 1:1 losses a long time ago, but was shouted down by coiners and gung-ho idiots who only care about pvp points, but expect no losses in return

Improved, more balanced formula for deciding the outcome of battles

https://plarium.com/forum/en/sparta-war-of-empires/news-and-announcements/3377_new-and-improved-battle-calculation-formula-/

Aegon Targaryen said:

A large enough army can raid a small army without taking any losses.  As near as I can tell, the raid mechanic just requires a larger power difference than the siege mechanic does.

Attackers deserve their losses

Defenders just want to be left in peace lol

Oberon's Combat Algorithm shows similar losses for attackers and defenders but was a big lie -  misinformation direct from Oberon himself

https://prnt.sc/bgrn44

B / (A+B) should determine loss percentages for everyone, but has been seriously nerfed (and now includes a Victory Tax)

Sparta tried to introduce 1:1 losses a long time ago, but was shouted down by coiners and gung-ho idiots who only care about pvp points, but expect no losses in return

Improved, more balanced formula for deciding the outcome of battles

https://plarium.com/forum/en/sparta-war-of-empires/news-and-announcements/3377_new-and-improved-battle-calculation-formula-/

Here is a raid battle just done yesterday by 1 of my players just to annoy a marshal of an enemy league, this battle might seem normal but check out the stoneheart unit losses in the attacking army against a tiny amount of build que troops and spirit wardens, this castle has just level 1 walls with no decent amount of castle guards, to me it looks like spirit wardens are extreemly effective against stoneheart troops, maybe someone has other battle experiences of this type too

Some of the wardens mechanics are messed up. Infantry one for sure.

Christine Hare said:

extremely effective against stoneheart troops, maybe someone has other battle experiences of this type too

Never sent enough infantry units

Sending Purgs against so many Spirit Wardens was foolish, unless accompanied by a large army of Paladins etc