old and good players play this game for fun, and persians positions are no. 1 reason to play this game and have fun, we can put no more money and find another game, what about that?

paladin said:

You are doing 1 bar missions.

Try do a lvl 70+ that you haven't touched prior to the change and let us know.

It still shows big payouts can actually drop, which is still a relief.

It's intriguing he could get two of them in row, though.

I couldn't get any like that as I was only half way to paying back the bank when the system changed.

It's gonna a be a long way before getting anything, and grinding down positions without finishing them won't help much because only 70% of the troops sent are acutally used...

Maybe that's the point that should be removed, else getting partials could still be interesting, at least if we're sure the difference is used to raise the bank.

Unfortunately, the new system was released because people were whinning about not getting payouts. Because a few people were unable to calculate how much they earned previously and how much they had invested so far, we've all be crippled with a new system that gives something each time, just to please the crybabies... That's a bit sad.

hi all

public poll on the modified positions mechanics >>poll

Im done with positions you cheats its all about the drac

Most of the report that shown from this lunatic is final blow, and never shown how much they use to achieve to complete an position

it not even consider a BIG reward cos you already lose so much just to complete single position, don't make a fool outta us, if you wanna show, please show the full bar of an position and how much donkey unit you spend just to get this reward and how much you gain and lose.

at that last picture shown it only the 5% of it original army left, how much Defensive army you lose before getting this picture, you dare to show, no you cant because it more than it expected.

PrimeGuardian said:

i don't like this new system change at persian position.

please change it back to the old system, i can't bare looking each complete position "guarantee reward" keep appearing but it weaker unit.

I'll be sure to tell Plarium that PrimeGuardian doesn't like the new change. 

i don't like this new system change at persian position.

please change it back to the old system, i can't bare looking each complete position "guarantee reward" keep appearing but it weaker unit.

Basileus Leonidas said:

Greetings all! 

I tried to provide you with more information on the changes, as  the update on Positions reward system may trigger a lot of questions (and I see it already).

1. Why did we decide to make these changes?

We have always received countless complaints from players claiming that "Positions weren’t working" or assuming that we’d changed the Positions payout system.

Some of our players thought that reward system was working incorrectly exclusively for them, as they would see huge rewards on screenshots shared on the Forums by other players, while receiving nothing (or only small rewards) themselves. One of the main problems was that players would end up losing most or all of their army before getting a reward.

This was a problem especially for new players who still hadn’t learned the intricacies of how Positions worked, and also for some of our veteran players, who were engaging higher-level Positions, where the gaps between payouts were significantly longer (but the rewards were bigger). So, we decided to alter the scheme to avoid this frustration.

Now, you will save some of your troops if you lose a battle against Xerxes. Sure, it’s not enough of an army to mount another attack right away, but it’s still better than losing after walking into a Persian ambush you weren’t prepared for!

2. Did my reward progression (in other words - Positions Bank) reset to zero?

No, Archons, all your results were not reset. You can continue hitting Positions and get the rewards you’ve been building up to.

3. Why do I get small rewards, despite numerous losses?

From now on, you get small rewards for every win. Gods feel that you deserve to get a prize for every victory. You worked hard to win a battle for the Position you should be rewarded for taking this challenge.

This doesn't mean that you won't also get those bigger rewards you used to get prior to the update. Those still happen – there’s just greater consistency now.

4. How do these frequent small rewards affect the overall reward system?

You'll need to hit more Positions in order to claim the big rewards you used to get. On the other hand, you will always receive bonus troops for a win.

5. Will we still get big, really big, rewards for Positions?

As we have added the rewards for every victory, the really big rewards will be rarer, but you can still get them if you keep fighting at the Positions.

>> Archons, be advised: changes to the rewards system were made with extreme care – our priority was to keep the overall rewards balance the same. <>

One more thing, every Archon has his / her own reward progression stage, so not all the advantages will immediately be obvious to everyone.

Give yourself some time to analyze the update.

The system is new, so you will need to commit some time and thought to it and recalibrate your strategy. This is a challenge that real Archons are faced with often!

If you still have any questions, feel free to leave them below.

we lose all our positions, no big reward at all, we take only 30% from our position, the question is, with what army do we play further, if my first remaining position is a level 80, and my last 125??? i must wait 3 more weeks to can defeat that first position, with, of course, no guarantee that i will have my big reward back??? bad system, believe me! bevore was bad days and good days, so, we stop at bad day and try tomorrow, maybe, but now, all are bad days? ok, we leave, if that is what you want!

TheElitePhantom said:

PrimeGuardian said:

Instead it turn into, how many you spend on that position it only return 30% as reward so how many time you do, it only 30% reward while the 70% is DEAD...and i mean DEAD that u cant eventually taken it back from what you lose.

Actually, you will eventually earn that 70% back.

when do we receive that 70% back ??? is a joke maybe! we lose all our army, in 4-6 positions with only 30% return, so, when and with what army do we play further, please? why is this so much greed, to force us to put money inside to buy, maybe, the rest of 70% ??? this is a bad dreams, is not fair from you, and a lot of players will left that so called "game"  shame! all game creators think only of own profit and destroy all fun in a game, nice option! 

if u had people that complain that never get anything from persians, why didnt you put resource pool bar on persians so ppl know when they will get payout (all senior players that know to play knew this even without that), im building now 2 milion in most expensive light heavy and phalax + chratage horses to prove that new system is crap if u wanted to help nubs that dont know to play the game and only think that they have to get and actually win offense and defense on persians why did you have to screw up every senior player u have by ruining system that actually worked ok, if u think ill hit with agemas and macedons to get payout heavy and light (graineaters) you must be joking, i see here some guys complaining that i know are killers on persians (100-125 positions) coz i know em in game and when they tell you this SAKS idk why u dont put a vote of having old system back or having this joke of a system...

put the vote about old system back/new system not the one with getting 30% of junk back lets see how it goes then!

You're men only keep pilling up at the bank and with this guarantee reward being given, the bank never full and will keep eating you're army till it exploded with loses and finally you cant get them back even if there is big reward.

actually you already lose so much to gain so less.

Plarium do yourself a big favour, remove this kind of lousy and stupid system that you make at persians, we don't like it at all...stop drinking so much botox, it making you're crew getting numb.

i would recommend every1 to stay away from persians until plarium changes something, because it is only a waste of troops atm, u will loose, and u will loose badly. idk about lower levels, but at lvl 125 this new system will kill all your army and give u nothing in return, except a feeling that u have invested in the bank tons of troops, and at lvl 125 it starts from 10 m armies and goes up.

Old system rare reward pay u back almost all you have loses during the previous position you spend, with this new system it totally change the unit you gonna get during the big reward.

A big reward of old system reward you back with Phalanx or cavalry and never pay you with Light and Heavy

In new system the guarantee pay you alot light and heavy, and decrease in the big reward unit

when there is a big reward of 1000 Mounted peltast and 200 agema, in this new system it only reward you 700mounted peltast and 120 agema, where is the 300 mounted peltast and 80 agema go?

it simple, from various attempt of position that reward you with random type of unit of various type, each time it pay you, they decrease the bank deposit unit and start stocking in new fallen unit amount, till the end when you get big reward you actually gotten 20-30% of lower unit from various complete and the final reward payout gonna be decrease significantly.

YES it still a fully payout but come with various lower unit along.

want to use them to weaken the position they return 30% of the number you send......almost toke you 4-6 time sending the same class just to weaken the bar.........Time added in already take out 10-14 minute just to ensure this unit send and kill every single persian till none return. actually it not even helping us to save time instead it increase our time just to weaken an position......

I already give my info, i spend most of my best unit of phalanx and cavalry to complete an position and it reward me back with lower unit like light+heavy, instead with this ongoing, you actually exchange most of you're unit to lower unit and if the big reward appear, you added up still earn lower unit in the smaller reward even if you manage to get 90% back from the big reward but there is 40% of the 90% is actualy lower unit that you gain from various position you have clear.

lower unit that come in huge number added up not close to what you lose but there is increase in unit number and grain consumption happen.

The old method system is where you spend various type of unit and when there is big reward come it actually 90-110% of all strong unit, and now it only 40-50% strong unit from big reward and 30-40% of lower unit from various completing position.

bluext08 said:

" From now on, you can expect a guaranteed reward every time you clear a Persian Position, rather than the hit-or-miss system previously in place! While this means fewer giant rewards, it assures you'll never walk away from a Persian Position victorious but empty-handed. "

What i understand u still get giant rewards  , but when ??  bank/payout ??

a lot of players will left this game, we receive 30% and what about the rest? so much greed, to force us to put money inside, we will find another game!

bluext08 said:

 

 For those who complain about " no big rewards"

You are doing 1 bar missions.

Try do a lvl 70+ that you haven't touched prior to the change and let us know.

today 24 position all clear, and there is no big reward and lose 1.4m defensive and 800k offensive

COME ON plarium, are you kidding me.....24 position from level 35 to 68 not even 1 big reward appear and yet all my army lose at the bank without a proper payout

you did say 5-6 position will get big reward how come i never get big reward from the 24 position of various level 35-68.....now i don't have anymore position to hit, if tomorow you guy didn't pay back the 1.4m def and 800k offensive i loses, mark my word i will quit this and go play Dragon NEst

I never get so mad but today sure light my anger up so badly.....all those promise about hitting 4-5 position with big reward is total LIE

el_bardera said:

How many people have to complain until Plarium realizes that players dislike completely the changes?

Until now, 95% of the comments are unfavorable.

Players are more that dissapointed. Players are clearly angry.

Plarium, how many angry players will you need until you notice that you have make a big mistake and bring back the old system? 

 

The forum posts are not the only indicator of whether or not people like a change. In fact, the people who do like the change are busy playing positions instead of posting on the forums.

Greetings, 

is any chance here to have a Persians positions bank reset sometimes, because if, we receive for example 1000 agema by last payout, and kill them all in another pvp quest, if no reset of pp bank, we must then produce another 1100 agema to can receive a new full reward? in this case we can leave at once the game! all loses must count to pp bank, is much fairer so!

No mention of removing gp from the persian mission rewards either