BiohazarD said:

Gadheras said:

Paul Gladkiy said:

Hi, Gadheras!

Well, if the game allows in-game purchases, how can it be illicit then? :)

Guys, unfortunately, we can't reveal all the details and all the requirements to join the VIP program, as we don't have the full list of them. And this list is very large, for sure.

We can only tell you that one of the most important criteria is the activity in the game, huge experience, considerable influence on the communities. These ones are at the top. However, there are more requirements.

There's a special team which is monitoring the players and sends the invites, if the player meets the needed criteria. We can't influence on this process in any way, I'm afraid.

Well, seeing a lot of laws and regulations is on the horizon in regard of loot boxes and similar in gaming. Maybe soon it will be illicit? who know. What you said about huge experience and considerable influence on the communities doesn't quite compute, because I can name a lot of players that would excel under those conditions that is not a vip. 

And when stated, that if people spend money to do better in the game and that way earn vip. How can even other players that doesn't spend as much to make his/her mark do do "that" good, even be considered? That is why I refer it as double dipping. 

Tbh, you should scratch the entire thing, and rather make a program that focus on follow up new players for a limited time. Majority of new players doesn't stick around for very long anyways, its not like it would turn into a giant program you don't have the resources to follow up. 

Then you should have some sort of program that involve every league marshall. That could give heads up to changes, tournaments, coming offers, specials whatever. Then these again would trinkle the news back to the members of the leagues. 

At current time your vip program come across like the pampering the casinos does to their whales to make sure they keep play and spend time at their casinos. 

Most of the regulations are specifically targeted at loot boxes and mechanics that have chance to win a particular item, I don't think any of them would cover VIP programs. 

No, but there is enough of randomized offers in this game, that could be included. Like item chests, that would be covered as loot boxes. But its not just loot boxes that being looked into, but the drive to keep people get addicted to spending, and then particular youths. 

I always been in favor of more subscriber based solutions and solutions where the business model have no real impact on the game in from of "pay to win". Like cosmetics, time/xp boosters, resource packs, have no real impact on the game in form of pay to win. Heck I wouldn't mind so much buying units either if they did get added to your training queue in the barracks and took time to churn out like units else. Its the instant power that wrecked this game and Plarium in denial of. 

Paul Gladkiy said:

Hi, Gadheras!

Well, if the game allows in-game purchases, how can it be illicit then? :)

Guys, unfortunately, we can't reveal all the details and all the requirements to join the VIP program, as we don't have the full list of them. And this list is very large, for sure.

We can only tell you that one of the most important criteria is the activity in the game, huge experience, considerable influence on the communities. These ones are at the top. However, there are more requirements.

There's a special team which is monitoring the players and sends the invites, if the player meets the needed criteria. We can't influence on this process in any way, I'm afraid.

Well, seeing a lot of laws and regulations is on the horizon in regard of loot boxes and similar in gaming. Maybe soon it will be illicit? who know. What you said about huge experience and considerable influence on the communities doesn't quite compute, because I can name a lot of players that would excel under those conditions that is not a vip. 

And when stated, that if people spend money to do better in the game and that way earn vip. How can even other players that doesn't spend as much to make his/her mark do do "that" good, even be considered? That is why I refer it as double dipping. 

Tbh, you should scratch the entire thing, and rather make a program that focus on follow up new players for a limited time. Majority of new players doesn't stick around for very long anyways, its not like it would turn into a giant program you don't have the resources to follow up. 

Then you should have some sort of program that involve every league marshall. That could give heads up to changes, tournaments, coming offers, specials whatever. Then these again would trinkle the news back to the members of the leagues. 

At current time your vip program come across like the pampering the casinos does to their whales to make sure they keep play and spend time at their casinos. 

IronApex Turok said:

VIP program is the free buffet for big spenders. 

Well, the difference is, if you go to like Vegas and at the casinos, you can eat and survive well for spending very little at the buffe's :p

Paul Gladkiy said:

Hi, Gadheras!

Well, if the game allows in-game purchases, how can it be illicit then? :)

Guys, unfortunately, we can't reveal all the details and all the requirements to join the VIP program, as we don't have the full list of them. And this list is very large, for sure.

We can only tell you that one of the most important criteria is the activity in the game, huge experience, considerable influence on the communities. These ones are at the top. However, there are more requirements.

There's a special team which is monitoring the players and sends the invites, if the player meets the needed criteria. We can't influence on this process in any way, I'm afraid.

Well, seeing a lot of laws and regulations is on the horizon in regard of loot boxes and similar in gaming. Maybe soon it will be illicit? who know. What you said about huge experience and considerable influence on the communities doesn't quite compute, because I can name a lot of players that would excel under those conditions that is not a vip. 

And when stated, that if people spend money to do better in the game and that way earn vip. How can even other players that doesn't spend as much to make his/her mark do do "that" good, even be considered? That is why I refer it as double dipping. 

Tbh, you should scratch the entire thing, and rather make a program that focus on follow up new players for a limited time. Majority of new players doesn't stick around for very long anyways, its not like it would turn into a giant program you don't have the resources to follow up. 

Then you should have some sort of program that involve every league marshall. That could give heads up to changes, tournaments, coming offers, specials whatever. Then these again would trinkle the news back to the members of the leagues. 

At current time your vip program come across like the pampering the casinos does to their whales to make sure they keep play and spend time at their casinos. 

Oracle said:

There is no guarantee way to become a VIP because of what?

You for saying a VIP doesn't have to spend a lot of money. I don't believe you. There is no evidence that show VIP don't spend a lot if money. However, there is tons of evidently that show, and prove that the majority of VIP have spend/are spending a lot of money. I know 15 players in server 1, all of them spent a lot of money before they were invited to the program. 

But hey you can prove me wrong. So how about you get some logs showing spending of 10 VIP for 3 months before they were invited. I know that those data are there, so prove me wrong. And how do you explain players , who upon using a VPN connected to Australia and spending a couple of 330$ gets invited. I know 2 VIP who got chosen this way. Prove me wrong. 

I wanna believe you. I want to believe that all I have to do to become VIP is to win a couple of tournaments or be active, or influence game in a major way. But I know that is a lie. The Freenzie case can act as my proof here. She won over 100 weekly rankings, in position one, from raid, BG, offence, to defense. She was never invited in the program, not until she got 1 billion. 

I really want to believe that your statements are true. But we both KNOW THE GREATER TRUTH. That financial profiling is used for this. I play Entropia online, a game were being rich in RL mean more fun. But the VIP program make it impossible to compete with members in tournaments with members. I can score 40K points, won't I want want red wyverns. 

I think you realize yourself that this sort of information cannot and would not be made public by any company due to far-reaching privacy reasons. I, personally, would be quite furious if my information was posted - whether or not I spent anything in the game, and I imagine many other players would feel the same way. There is also a matter of legality to keeping that information private even if we forego common decency. 

So, unfortunately, there is literally very little I can do to provide you with solid proof. I could look for a screenshot of a Sparta VIP player posting on our Facebook page in response to a similar thread, but I am unsure even that would be enough to change public opinion on the matter.

Oracle said:

Dimitri Molchanov said:

Lords and Ladies,

While Alina is on vacation I will be covering the forum along with Paul, who you already met. To reiterate a statement that has been made on a number of occasions - there is no guaranteed way to become a VIP player. I am aware what the contemporary opinion on this is, that you need to spend a lot of money. That, however, is incorrect. Activity, time spent in the game and ability to do well in different events and Tournaments as well as position in prominent Leagues all play a much bigger part in getting the player a chance to be considered for a VIP position. But at the same time, the number of people that can be invited into the program is limited and is much smaller than the number of players who qualify. There are times when several candidates are available and only one can be offered a slot. As such, there is an element of luck to it as well.

There is no guarantee way to become a VIP because of what?

You for saying a VIP doesn't have to spend a lot of money. I don't believe you. There is no evidence that show VIP don't spend a lot if money. However, there is tons of evidently that show, and prove that the majority of VIP have spend/are spending a lot of money. I know 15 players in server 1, all of them spent a lot of money before they were invited to the program. 

But hey you can prove me wrong. So how about you get some logs showing spending of 10 VIP for 3 months before they were invited. I know that those data are there, so prove me wrong. And how do you explain players , who upon using a VPN connected to Australia and spending a couple of 330$ gets invited. I know 2 VIP who got chosen this way. Prove me wrong. 

I wanna believe you. I want to believe that all I have to do to become VIP is to win a couple of tournaments or be active, or influence game in a major way. But I know that is a lie. The Freenzie case can act as my proof here. She won over 100 weekly rankings, in position one, from raid, BG, offence, to defense. She was never invited in the program, not until she got 1 billion. 

I really want to believe that your statements are true. But we both KNOW THE GREATER TRUTH. That financial profiling is used for this. I play Entropia online, a game were being rich in RL mean more fun. But the VIP program make it impossible to compete with members in tournaments with members. I can score 40K points, won't I want want red wyverns. 

I talked to a guy a while back whos alt had gotten into the VIP program while his main account hadn't.  So apparently it's not all about money or even activity, there is an element of randomness to it.  I'm sure spending is a factor, but it's definitely not the only factor.

roadstar Pitbull said:

This is just another case of 'developers say" this is or that...

We don't care what the developers say any more. 

We are telling you (due to lack developers contact), what we all see. Many thing looks good on paper, but execution is nothing like the expectation.

Seems as though the nerves have been struck again,,,, out with ban threats... LMAO

Grow a pair and tell the developers to read the forum!!!!!!!

as far as we are concerned there are no developers.  

They are as real as my chances to get VIP. 

an untouchable, unknowable thing that the community managers use to deflect tough question. 

Dimitri Molchanov said:

Lords and Ladies,

While Alina is on vacation I will be covering the forum along with Paul, who you already met. To reiterate a statement that has been made on a number of occasions - there is no guaranteed way to become a VIP player. I am aware what the contemporary opinion on this is, that you need to spend a lot of money. That, however, is incorrect. Activity, time spent in the game and ability to do well in different events and Tournaments as well as position in prominent Leagues all play a much bigger part in getting the player a chance to be considered for a VIP position. But at the same time, the number of people that can be invited into the program is limited and is much smaller than the number of players who qualify. There are times when several candidates are available and only one can be offered a slot. As such, there is an element of luck to it as well.

There is no guarantee way to become a VIP because of what?

You for saying a VIP doesn't have to spend a lot of money. I don't believe you. There is no evidence that show VIP don't spend a lot if money. However, there is tons of evidently that show, and prove that the majority of VIP have spend/are spending a lot of money. I know 15 players in server 1, all of them spent a lot of money before they were invited to the program. 

But hey you can prove me wrong. So how about you get some logs showing spending of 10 VIP for 3 months before they were invited. I know that those data are there, so prove me wrong. And how do you explain players , who upon using a VPN connected to Australia and spending a couple of 330$ gets invited. I know 2 VIP who got chosen this way. Prove me wrong. 

I wanna believe you. I want to believe that all I have to do to become VIP is to win a couple of tournaments or be active, or influence game in a major way. But I know that is a lie. The Freenzie case can act as my proof here. She won over 100 weekly rankings, in position one, from raid, BG, offence, to defense. She was never invited in the program, not until she got 1 billion. 

I really want to believe that your statements are true. But we both KNOW THE GREATER TRUTH. That financial profiling is used for this. I play Entropia online, a game were being rich in RL mean more fun. But the VIP program make it impossible to compete with members in tournaments with members. I can score 40K points, won't I want want red wyverns. 

I am aware of the saying, yet it remains a breach of forum rules no matter the intent. Bans can, indeed, be taken off prematurely depending on the situation. That does not mean that they are not going to be considered if you break the rules again. I am sure you can express your opinion without doing so. If not, penalties will be applied on a case-by-case basis.

Dimitri Molchanov said:

Gadheras, you know the forum rules and with your track list of warnings and bans it is best not to break. Your post has been edited and you can consider this an official warning. Avoid profanity in your posts, please.

For the matter of VIP players, it is impossible to have a set requirement that will guarantee entry into the program as we do not have enough slots for everyone who qualifies. We have provided information on what would help a player be considered, but the final decision depends too much on the situation at the time, how many slots are available in the program, who else is being considered, etc. They do get benefits, but they have been cut over time to make certain the disparity is not too much, and work on that continues constantly. It is no one's intent to alienate or segregate players.

It was a expression, a saying if you want. not a intent of use profanity. (try google the saying). As for the other. Maybe its not Plariums intent to alienate or segregate players, but that is the reality of things. Claim one thing but reflect another just doesn't mix very well. 

Yeah, with some 2300+ posts there been some warnings and even some forum bans, but also some that been turned over by Oberon (which we can't contact any longer). I also experienced forum rules been changed due to what been posted, not necessary just by me. And even forum rules been enforced with a rather "wide" bias taking things out of context and give it another narrative than what was intended. But to argue such is like fight windmills, fruitless.  

Gadheras, you know the forum rules and with your track list of warnings and bans it is best not to break. Your post has been edited and you can consider this an official warning. Avoid profanity in your posts, please.

For the matter of VIP players, it is impossible to have a set requirement that will guarantee entry into the program as we do not have enough slots for everyone who qualifies. We have provided information on what would help a player be considered, but the final decision depends too much on the situation at the time, how many slots are available in the program, who else is being considered, etc. They do get benefits, but they have been cut over time to make certain the disparity is not too much, and work on that continues constantly. It is no one's intent to alienate or segregate players.

fionajune said:

Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about. You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not. I did not earn VIP by weilding a credit card I have worked hard for it, participating in forums, chat, working with players to improve their game as well as taking an active part to be in th challenges & tournies, its a lot more than $$. Speaking of coin, in fact its those of us who spend some coin who pay for the game to keep going for you people who do not pay. You seem to think VIPs get all these extra goodies yet you are not a VIP and so it leads me to ask just how do you know what a VIP gets that you do not.

You complain about game balance... VIPS have extra challenges that are often hard to meet the goals on to get a measly 81 dark Wyverns.. 40k pvp minimum & 40k in BGS.. do you really think those 81 dark wyverns are worth the troops loss? When I read this all i hear is a grown man or woman crying like a little kid over a lollipop. Instead of wearing out your keyboard complaining about not being VIP how about you take action to become a VIP?? Hmmm... or does that make too much sense? 

Another thought, don't you have VIP and coiners in your league? Do you ban or treat them differently, maybe kick them out of the league because they have a status that you don't? 

want to find me to teach me to mind my manners? -70/41. Srvr 2, untamed lands see ya soon

I take great offence to act of idiocy and blatant acts of stupidly in the face of facts and thesis. Your degenerative posts, is both offensive and uneducated. 

" Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about . You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not"

It is human nature to cry about the unknown. Will any of this players complain if they knew about this program, how to enter it and such. The VIP program is a feature that Plarium use to discriminate players according to spending spree( it has nothing to do with how much you spend over a long time, but how much you spend over a short time(1-6 months). Do I have a problem with Plarium exploiting human nature to make profit, no. I have a problem with Plarium using geographical location, IP address and nationality to choose discriminate players. 

Your charge that players who complain about this feature are jealous is very offensive and divisive. this  jealous players are veterans who have played this game for half a decade. Did you know that the VIP program was never introduced like other programs to players. Even mods were not notified about the inclusion of this program. 

Most VIP I know of ate good peopled, they do contribute to the community. Their contribution is nothing significant compared to the contribution of all players. Plarium like to flash its membership numbers. Should players allow Plarium to discriminate the majority of those numbers based on financial standings and geographic location. 

"Financial discrimination is the unethical or illegal practice of unevenly offering compensation, financial assistance, access to financing or financial services on the basis of non-relevant factors such as profit interest, illogical reasoning and religious orientation."

You say some of the reasons why you are VIP is because you participate in forums and chats and help players. You have like 70 posts, most of which are as stupid.Most players here have over 500, they have been here for half a decade. So is it because you help players, where is the proof. 

Yes I was made VIP about 6 months into the game, right around time I became Marshal of an established league. I figure it was just good luck, it wasn't soemthing I was planning on or looking for; I was just enjoying the game and one day I was invited to it and I accepted, why not? I get expedited service when it comes to bugs/issues, and guess what I use it to help those who are having problems! The challenges.. unfortunately I haven't been able to match those milestones they set... but then again I weight the reward against the risk and more often than not the risk is very high and not worth the reward, and VIPS are not only competing in the regualr challenges we are competing against other VIPS for those little rewards, and much of the competition is a lot stiffer than the regualr tournies. ....

oh and the packages they offer... much more expensive than those not offered to VIP, and not as beneficial. Sometimes, once in a great while we are asked our opinions on game features or to try a new troop. IMO this doesn't ruin game balance as there will always be someone stronger, more predatory with a bigger army no matter if I am VIP or not.

So, when I see a post basically cutting those that have VIP status or player who are using some of THEIR money to enhance their enjoyment of THEIR game it kinda irks me. This game isn't a game of all for one and for all.. how dare anybody slam another for spending their money on what they want? IF the game were completely "balanced" we would all be the same level and advance at the same time and we would lose the challenge of trying to outdo the next guy.

Do you complain and cry to the government because you didn't win the lottery but your neighbor did?

Lord Mark said:

Alina Phoenix said:

Snowgoon said:

Another kick in the teeth for 'normal' players

VIP get 81 FREE Dark Wyverns and all they need to do is participate in tournaments - This is in ADDITION to their normal tournament rewards
(ignore the 541 boosts, it was a typo meant to say 5 boosts)

https://prnt.sc/iq69ae

Has this been allowed to go too far? How does this maintain game balance?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2097696550257399&set=gm.1628461447222536&type=3&theater&ifg=1

Hello.

To get this Reward they don't need just participate in the Tournament, they need to receive the required number of points either in one Tournament or in both of them. These Rewards won't be added just if you start participating.

Alina,

We do the points ...but WE ARE NOT VIP!

THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS TOPIC ...

I did 40,000 points and I sended the email...but no reward for me ...

My Lord, these Rewards are given to the members of VIP program at the initiative of their agents.

One of the main benefits of this program is that you have a high-quality dedicated support service and your agent can give you such additional Bonuses.

Plus, the amount of such Bonuses is strictly limited to be sure it doesn't affect the game balance in any way.

LoL, Alina you seem to overuse the word balance. 

Your definition of balance here seems to suggest that this balance is at the mercy of VIP agent and their agent. 

At this stage I am confused, can you explain how balanced is the game after this VIP deal was struck. 

This deal seems to suggest that VIP players are getting preferrential treatment as form of extra reward. 

Giving certain players over quarter a million offence for doing the most easiest grind is not fair. If you consider how long it takes to build 250K offence you can see how this gifts do to balance.