Paul Gladkiy said:

IronApex Turok said:

and again, how do i get this benefit of this program?

Hi, all!
Each player has a chance to join the VIP program, if he's active in the game, has a high experience and influence in the communities. These are the main but not the only criteria.

Ya right ....Like we are all idouts :)

I am an high player ...I am max BG...I Do pvp...and no VIP.

And I have friends that Coin much...lower score ...and they are VIP.

fionajune said:

Yes I was made VIP about 6 months into the game, right around time I became Marshal of an established league. I figure it was just good luck, it wasn't soemthing I was planning on or looking for; I was just enjoying the game and one day I was invited to it and I accepted, why not? I get expedited service when it comes to bugs/issues, and guess what I use it to help those who are having problems! The challenges.. unfortunately I haven't been able to match those milestones they set... but then again I weight the reward against the risk and more often than not the risk is very high and not worth the reward, and VIPS are not only competing in the regualr challenges we are competing against other VIPS for those little rewards, and much of the competition is a lot stiffer than the regualr tournies. ....

oh and the packages they offer... much more expensive than those not offered to VIP, and not as beneficial. Sometimes, once in a great while we are asked our opinions on game features or to try a new troop. IMO this doesn't ruin game balance as there will always be someone stronger, more predatory with a bigger army no matter if I am VIP or not.

So, when I see a post basically cutting those that have VIP status or player who are using some of THEIR money to enhance their enjoyment of THEIR game it kinda irks me. This game isn't a game of all for one and for all.. how dare anybody slam another for spending their money on what they want? IF the game were completely "balanced" we would all be the same level and advance at the same time and we would lose the challenge of trying to outdo the next guy.

Do you complain and cry to the government because you didn't win the lottery but your neighbor did?

Anything that some people got and others didn't without any explanation, the ones who didn't get it aren't going to be happy. 

Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about. You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not. I did not earn VIP by weilding a credit card I have worked hard for it, participating in forums, chat, 

Gadheras said:

fionajune said:

Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about. You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not. I did not earn VIP by weilding a credit card I have worked hard for it, participating in forums, chat, 

What forum would that be, not here I think...

damn, 37 posts was the magic number. 

fionajune said:

I might be a "rookie" big whoop, boy you hurt my feelings, maybe its good idea for some of you old dogs to listen to "rookies" you know you guys get stuck in your ways, and think you know everything about everything

You did bring up something, side tracking from topic.

Us, "old dogs" have seen much better times for the game and growth of both the game and it's players. That is the over all goal of many, many topics in the forum. So in a way, we could be stuck in our ways, but it was a much better game back then, with growing numbers, not declining. We have seen variations of what worked well and what was detrimental. We have seen many moderators, managers, and the development team changes in this time also,,, even owners...

So, some "old dogs" do watch out for our pups.

Dear Lords

im agree with most of you. the big problem that has the VIP program is the secret it has.

if all of us knew what to do to become a VIP this kind of topics and the questions i receive about that program will not exist.

meanwhile the program will continue in secret and the players continue being chosen as i think ramdonly this will be unfair for all us.

and dont come to me about "the time you play, the help you make...." and sentences like that because a lot of us are here since long time, playing a lot, helping with tips to all players and with high levels. and believe me is very frustrating see a half a year player be a VIP and dont know why

because i know why i will try to do the same for being a VIP....except ruining my credit card of course.

Regards and good day

Dimitri Molchanov said:

Lords and Ladies,

While Alina is on vacation I will be covering the forum along with Paul, who you already met. To reiterate a statement that has been made on a number of occasions - there is no guaranteed way to become a VIP player. I am aware what the contemporary opinion on this is, that you need to spend a lot of money. That, however, is incorrect. Activity, time spent in the game and ability to do well in different events and Tournaments as well as position in prominent Leagues all play a much bigger part in getting the player a chance to be considered for a VIP position. But at the same time, the number of people that can be invited into the program is limited and is much smaller than the number of players who qualify. There are times when several candidates are available and only one can be offered a slot. As such, there is an element of luck to it as well.

So consider offering VIP to all active permanent (6+ months) league marshals in large (100+ ?) long established leagues ... and drop the secrecy

I am happy to see players like fionajune given VIP status, but it must have been a huge shock to her after only 6 months in the game

Dimitri Molchanov said:

Gadheras, you know the forum rules and with your track list of warnings and bans it is best not to break. Your post has been edited and you can consider this an official warning. Avoid profanity in your posts, please.

For the matter of VIP players, it is impossible to have a set requirement that will guarantee entry into the program as we do not have enough slots for everyone who qualifies. We have provided information on what would help a player be considered, but the final decision depends too much on the situation at the time, how many slots are available in the program, who else is being considered, etc. They do get benefits, but they have been cut over time to make certain the disparity is not too much, and work on that continues constantly. It is no one's intent to alienate or segregate players.

no matter how many times you try to explain it, its still one of the worst aspects of the game. 

its literally discrimination.   nothing in a game that relates to players should be left to the whim of the company.   Either open the progrem up with with clear parameters for entry or do away with it. 

Hi, Gadheras!

Well, if the game allows in-game purchases, how can it be illicit then? :)

Guys, unfortunately, we can't reveal all the details and all the requirements to join the VIP program, as we don't have the full list of them. And this list is very large, for sure.

We can only tell you that one of the most important criteria is the activity in the game, huge experience, considerable influence on the communities. These ones are at the top. However, there are more requirements.

There's a special team which is monitoring the players and sends the invites, if the player meets the needed criteria. We can't influence on this process in any way, I'm afraid.

IronApex Turok said:

VIP program is the free buffet for big spenders. 

Well, the difference is, if you go to like Vegas and at the casinos, you can eat and survive well for spending very little at the buffe's :p

BiohazarD said:

Gadheras said:

IronApex Turok said:

VIP program is the free buffet for big spenders. 

Well, the difference is, if you go to like Vegas and at the casinos, you can eat and survive well for spending very little at the buffe's :p

You'd be surprised, I was in vegas (at caesars palace) last summer and the buffets aren't as cheap as they used to be. 

Still cheaper than what Plarium expect us to spend on their game :p

Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:

Gadheras said:

Paul Gladkiy said:

Hi, Gadheras!

Well, if the game allows in-game purchases, how can it be illicit then? :)

Guys, unfortunately, we can't reveal all the details and all the requirements to join the VIP program, as we don't have the full list of them. And this list is very large, for sure.

We can only tell you that one of the most important criteria is the activity in the game, huge experience, considerable influence on the communities. These ones are at the top. However, there are more requirements.

There's a special team which is monitoring the players and sends the invites, if the player meets the needed criteria. We can't influence on this process in any way, I'm afraid.

Well, seeing a lot of laws and regulations is on the horizon in regard of loot boxes and similar in gaming. Maybe soon it will be illicit? who know. What you said about huge experience and considerable influence on the communities doesn't quite compute, because I can name a lot of players that would excel under those conditions that is not a vip. 

And when stated, that if people spend money to do better in the game and that way earn vip. How can even other players that doesn't spend as much to make his/her mark do do "that" good, even be considered? That is why I refer it as double dipping. 

Tbh, you should scratch the entire thing, and rather make a program that focus on follow up new players for a limited time. Majority of new players doesn't stick around for very long anyways, its not like it would turn into a giant program you don't have the resources to follow up. 

Then you should have some sort of program that involve every league marshall. That could give heads up to changes, tournaments, coming offers, specials whatever. Then these again would trinkle the news back to the members of the leagues. 

At current time your vip program come across like the pampering the casinos does to their whales to make sure they keep play and spend time at their casinos. 

Most of the regulations are specifically targeted at loot boxes and mechanics that have chance to win a particular item, I don't think any of them would cover VIP programs. 

No, but there is enough of randomized offers in this game, that could be included. Like item chests, that would be covered as loot boxes. But its not just loot boxes that being looked into, but the drive to keep people get addicted to spending, and then particular youths. 

I always been in favor of more subscriber based solutions and solutions where the business model have no real impact on the game in from of "pay to win". Like cosmetics, time/xp boosters, resource packs, have no real impact on the game in form of pay to win. Heck I wouldn't mind so much buying units either if they did get added to your training queue in the barracks and took time to churn out like units else. Its the instant power that wrecked this game and Plarium in denial of. 

Yeah the prize draws would certainly fall under the gambling category as well. 

Dimitri Molchanov said:

Lords and Ladies,

While Alina is on vacation I will be covering the forum along with Paul, who you already met. To reiterate a statement that has been made on a number of occasions - there is no guaranteed way to become a VIP player. I am aware what the contemporary opinion on this is, that you need to spend a lot of money. That, however, is incorrect. Activity, time spent in the game and ability to do well in different events and Tournaments as well as position in prominent Leagues all play a much bigger part in getting the player a chance to be considered for a VIP position. But at the same time, the number of people that can be invited into the program is limited and is much smaller than the number of players who qualify. There are times when several candidates are available and only one can be offered a slot. As such, there is an element of luck to it as well.

There is no guarantee way to become a VIP because of what?

You for saying a VIP doesn't have to spend a lot of money. I don't believe you. There is no evidence that show VIP don't spend a lot if money. However, there is tons of evidently that show, and prove that the majority of VIP have spend/are spending a lot of money. I know 15 players in server 1, all of them spent a lot of money before they were invited to the program. 

But hey you can prove me wrong. So how about you get some logs showing spending of 10 VIP for 3 months before they were invited. I know that those data are there, so prove me wrong. And how do you explain players , who upon using a VPN connected to Australia and spending a couple of 330$ gets invited. I know 2 VIP who got chosen this way. Prove me wrong. 

I wanna believe you. I want to believe that all I have to do to become VIP is to win a couple of tournaments or be active, or influence game in a major way. But I know that is a lie. The Freenzie case can act as my proof here. She won over 100 weekly rankings, in position one, from raid, BG, offence, to defense. She was never invited in the program, not until she got 1 billion. 

I really want to believe that your statements are true. But we both KNOW THE GREATER TRUTH. That financial profiling is used for this. I play Entropia online, a game were being rich in RL mean more fun. But the VIP program make it impossible to compete with members in tournaments with members. I can score 40K points, won't I want want red wyverns. 

Lords and Ladies,

While Alina is on vacation I will be covering the forum along with Paul, who you already met. To reiterate a statement that has been made on a number of occasions - there is no guaranteed way to become a VIP player. I am aware what the contemporary opinion on this is, that you need to spend a lot of money. That, however, is incorrect. Activity, time spent in the game and ability to do well in different events and Tournaments as well as position in prominent Leagues all play a much bigger part in getting the player a chance to be considered for a VIP position. But at the same time, the number of people that can be invited into the program is limited and is much smaller than the number of players who qualify. There are times when several candidates are available and only one can be offered a slot. As such, there is an element of luck to it as well.

fionajune said:

I might be a "rookie" big whoop, boy you hurt my feelings, maybe its good idea for some of you old dogs to listen to "rookies" you know you guys get stuck in your ways, and think you know everything about everything

Yes I was marshal for about 6 months before I decided hmm that being marshal meant I was limited in what I could do. Its an overrated thankless job. I made a move to a better fit for me. Tell you the truth don't miss it, and don't envy anyone who is a marshal. some are comfortable being in charge, putting out fires, dealing with diplomacy, more power to them. No skin of my hide. I can raid top my hearts content and as long as I don't overstep my bounds I have no chains. While I was marshal Integrity did pretty good, climbed in rank had quite a bit of influence, but hey this isn't a discussion on my tenure is it? 

Its a discussion about the VIP program and how some are in and some are not and how that twists some people's underpinnings snd just like you I have an opinion. Might not be in line or popular but I never claimed to be a conformist. 

Sorry if my friends are trolling you because of my post

You have my respect because you have obviously worked hard and achieved a great deal in a short time

but .... my complaint is about the way the VIP program is run and all the secrecy that surrounds iI
I never intended to critisize any player who is a VIP member

fionajune said:

Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about. You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not. I did not earn VIP by weilding a credit card I have worked hard for it, participating in forums, chat, working with players to improve their game as well as taking an active part to be in th challenges & tournies, its a lot more than $$. Speaking of coin, in fact its those of us who spend some coin who pay for the game to keep going for you people who do not pay. You seem to think VIPs get all these extra goodies yet you are not a VIP and so it leads me to ask just how do you know what a VIP gets that you do not.

You complain about game balance... VIPS have extra challenges that are often hard to meet the goals on to get a measly 81 dark Wyverns.. 40k pvp minimum & 40k in BGS.. do you really think those 81 dark wyverns are worth the troops loss? When I read this all i hear is a grown man or woman crying like a little kid over a lollipop. Instead of wearing out your keyboard complaining about not being VIP how about you take action to become a VIP?? Hmmm... or does that make too much sense? 

Another thought, don't you have VIP and coiners in your league? Do you ban or treat them differently, maybe kick them out of the league because they have a status that you don't? 

want to find me to teach me to mind my manners? -70/41. Srvr 2, untamed lands see ya soon

I take great offence to act of idiocy and blatant acts of stupidly in the face of facts and thesis. Your degenerative posts, is both offensive and uneducated. 

" Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about . You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not"

It is human nature to cry about the unknown. Will any of this players complain if they knew about this program, how to enter it and such. The VIP program is a feature that Plarium use to discriminate players according to spending spree( it has nothing to do with how much you spend over a long time, but how much you spend over a short time(1-6 months). Do I have a problem with Plarium exploiting human nature to make profit, no. I have a problem with Plarium using geographical location, IP address and nationality to choose discriminate players. 

Your charge that players who complain about this feature are jealous is very offensive and divisive. this  jealous players are veterans who have played this game for half a decade. Did you know that the VIP program was never introduced like other programs to players. Even mods were not notified about the inclusion of this program. 

Most VIP I know of ate good peopled, they do contribute to the community. Their contribution is nothing significant compared to the contribution of all players. Plarium like to flash its membership numbers. Should players allow Plarium to discriminate the majority of those numbers based on financial standings and geographic location. 

"Financial discrimination is the unethical or illegal practice of unevenly offering compensation, financial assistance, access to financing or financial services on the basis of non-relevant factors such as profit interest, illogical reasoning and religious orientation."

You say some of the reasons why you are VIP is because you participate in forums and chats and help players. You have like 70 posts, most of which are as stupid.Most players here have over 500, they have been here for half a decade. So is it because you help players, where is the proof. 

Yes I was made VIP about 6 months into the game, right around time I became Marshal of an established league. I figure it was just good luck, it wasn't soemthing I was planning on or looking for; I was just enjoying the game and one day I was invited to it and I accepted, why not? I get expedited service when it comes to bugs/issues, and guess what I use it to help those who are having problems! The challenges.. unfortunately I haven't been able to match those milestones they set... but then again I weight the reward against the risk and more often than not the risk is very high and not worth the reward, and VIPS are not only competing in the regualr challenges we are competing against other VIPS for those little rewards, and much of the competition is a lot stiffer than the regualr tournies. ....

oh and the packages they offer... much more expensive than those not offered to VIP, and not as beneficial. Sometimes, once in a great while we are asked our opinions on game features or to try a new troop. IMO this doesn't ruin game balance as there will always be someone stronger, more predatory with a bigger army no matter if I am VIP or not.

So, when I see a post basically cutting those that have VIP status or player who are using some of THEIR money to enhance their enjoyment of THEIR game it kinda irks me. This game isn't a game of all for one and for all.. how dare anybody slam another for spending their money on what they want? IF the game were completely "balanced" we would all be the same level and advance at the same time and we would lose the challenge of trying to outdo the next guy.

Do you complain and cry to the government because you didn't win the lottery but your neighbor did?

Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about. You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not. I did not earn VIP by weilding a credit card I have worked hard for it, participating in forums, chat, working with players to improve their game as well as taking an active part to be in th challenges & tournies, its a lot more than $$. Speaking of coin, in fact its those of us who spend some coin who pay for the game to keep going for you people who do not pay. You seem to think VIPs get all these extra goodies yet you are not a VIP and so it leads me to ask just how do you know what a VIP gets that you do not.

You complain about game balance... VIPS have extra challenges that are often hard to meet the goals on to get a measly 81 dark Wyverns.. 40k pvp minimum & 40k in BGS.. do you really think those 81 dark wyverns are worth the troops loss? When I read this all i hear is a grown man or woman crying like a little kid over a lollipop. Instead of wearing out your keyboard complaining about not being VIP how about you take action to become a VIP?? Hmmm... or does that make too much sense? 

Another thought, don't you have VIP and coiners in your league? Do you ban or treat them differently, maybe kick them out of the league because they have a status that you don't? 

want to find me to teach me to mind my manners? -70/41. Srvr 2, untamed lands see ya soon