IronApex Turok said:  

are you guys able to edit a "deleted" post?

You are asking to many confidential information. 

You can't edit something that is deleted. You can restore it, it has to be open to be edited. When its deleted we have no option to edit, only restore and link button are available. 

Why do you think editing a post is an abuse of power?

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IronApex Turok said:

Oracle said:

IronApex Turok said:  

are you guys able to edit a "deleted" post?

You are asking to many confidential information. 

You can't edit something that is deleted. You can restore it, it has to be open to be edited. When its deleted we have no option to edit, only restore and link button are available. 

Why do you think editing a post is an abuse of power?

why do you think that info is too confidential?

As far as I'm aware, moderator abilities aren't confidential.  To edit a deleted post we have to un-delete it first. 

BiohazarD said:

IronApex Turok said:

Oracle said:

IronApex Turok said:  

are you guys able to edit a "deleted" post?

You are asking to many confidential information. 

You can't edit something that is deleted. You can restore it, it has to be open to be edited. When its deleted we have no option to edit, only restore and link button are available. 

Why do you think editing a post is an abuse of power?

why do you think that info is too confidential?

As far as I'm aware, moderator abilities aren't confidential.  To edit a deleted post we have to un-delete it first. 

then why would oracle tell me im asking too many confidential questions?   is there a limit to how many confidential questions im allowed to ask?

Oracle said:

''know your enemy and know yourself, and in 100 battles you will never be in peril, understanding your opponent is crucial to victory'' art of war, Sun Tzu

If you're going to quote SunTzu please get it right. 

The actual quote is: "If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."

Oracle said:

''know your enemy and know yourself, and in 100 battles you will never be in peril, understanding your opponent is crucial to victory'' art of war, Sun Tzu

If you're going to quote SunTzu please get it right. 

The actual quote is: "If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."

Oracle said:

According to one of the most, if ever succesfull guild/marshal 

It's just pure genius. Add words together to form nonsensical sentences, or in this case one that has the complete opposite meaning your going for. Knowing who it probably came from I would definitely stick with the "if ever" bit though.

To achieve these trust leaders often fail and even covert admitting to their own mistakes

Covertly admitting to mistakes. Those words have no meaning when added together.

I like the fourth definition much better

Particularly good one as there are only 3 in the picture......

These is like DNA, once a part initiated for trascription, further copies are activated downhill.

Back to pure gibberish.

and I tell you a league dies at the day it was made, and is buried at the day its goals where put in place

That is even in bold. Who highlights in bold the most meaningless part of their post.

Was this done in google translate or something? Either that or one of those clever random paragraph generators. 

It's not a serious contribution though right. It can't be surely. Totally demented ramblings.

djmoody said:

nobody said:

"and I tell you a league dies at the day it was made, and is buried at the day its goals where put in place" is the most meaningless statement in the post.  wrong, incorrect, false, inaccurate.  this is a statement of the foundation of the vision and direction of the league.  there are many other variables, but the vision and direction of a top 10 league that lasts years and a league that never gains more than 20 players or breaks the top 500 leagues, then fades away, is the difference.  it is a statement of use of strategy, the thought out vision and direction of those founding the goals of the league.

So when you read that sentence what meaning did you ascribe to it. Because I can tell you at face value it is absolutely meaningless drivel. Maybe you assumed a meaning.

- a league dies the at the day it was made

Clearly garbage as we know league's don't die on the day of their creation. Don't know what more someone can say to point out how stupid that statement is

- and is buried at the day its goals where (sic) put in place

surely the absolute opposite is true, a league with real goals and objective, assuming they are well thought out and rational, it going to do so much better than a league with no goals that simply drifts....

Surely "a league is born on the day it was made and truly grows up/matures at the day its goals were put in place".

I must admit I too have many times found myself wondering whether the Oracle account is one of the greatest trolls of all time. Sometimes seems the most logical conclusion. But in case there is a real person behind it, you end up having to give it the benefit of the doubt.

i took it as a cautionary tale, that the foundation you create at the very beginning determines the path and end result.  as oracle stated later if your goals are bad then the result will be bad. 

your statement is true "surely the absolute opposite is true, a league with real goals and objective, assuming they are well thought out and rational, it going to do so much better than a league with no goals that simply drifts."  and that is the point that i made exactly in my post.

the cautionary tale does not just point to the caution, but, points to the effort and focus needed in order to not become the cautionary tale.  i made the same contrast between the 2 leagues as you did.

"Surely "a league is born on the day it was made and truly grows up/matures at the day its goals were put in place"  yes, if the goals are sound.

the statement that a battle is lost in its conception also states that a battle is won in its conception.  not only is the concept not the most meaningless statement in the thread.  it is one of the most important in all of life.

the op's chosen name is oracle, with that may come ambiguity and an attempt at ambiguous enlightenment statements.  he also stated he combined idioms from 2 different languages.  7 billion people on the planet, my observation,  there are many more cautionary tales than not.

To add something positive to this thread, our Marshall sends a league wide mail each Monday listing every player from our league who has featured in the top 20 for the various categories, raid, off, def, seige etc. It's a nice touch and you get to see how everyone is doing from week to week. 

djmoody said:

Superb. Now anyone can write meaningless drivel and just say they are a genius writing in idioms.

Oracle said:

I can tell, you must be English, Are you all English/british from my communications with people of that decent, they simply can get idioms. never mind extended metaphors? especially ones of a different language. 

And at what point were forum members, let alone moderators allowed to be racist.

What a pathetic troll. Plarium should be utterly ashamed of this farce.

I understand that we had a fallout,before I became a mod. But must you keep on accusing me of things I didn't say, misquoting my words, and driving topics off-topics. 

Read what I said above, English understand idioms. I wrote that to actually see if your misunderstanding of what I write comes as a fault of mine or not.

My findings Lord DJMoody doesn't read what I write, and has twice misquoted me and attacked those quotes. 

latest misquote 

 Are you all English/british from my communications with people of that decent, they simply can get idioms. 

Please read, what I write, before accusing me of things I didn't say. 

English is the world most spoken language. Laguages of other cultures are translated into English, these will include idioms. Therefore compared with a German, and English spaker will vast knowledge of idioms from other culture. That is what I said, 

''from my communications with people of that decent, they simply can get idioms. ''

All idioms from different cultures have been translated into English. So people who speak English as a primary language will easily understand idioms., compared with someone who don't.

djmoody said:

- a league dies the at the day it was made

Clearly garbage as we know league's don't die on the day of their creation. Don't know what more someone can say to point out how stupid that statement is

 Lost, i didn't write that. 

I said these

a league dies at the day it was made, and is buried at the day its goals where put in place

Is that simple. You make a league with bad intentions. You are then prone to make''bad'' league goals. Your league died when it was made. Choices that you make, choices that lead you to make a league, lead to your league ''dying'' and being ''buried'' destroyed/ not flourish ect. due to its bad goals. 

 personal question

I can tell, you must be English, Are you all English/british from my communications with people of that decent, they simply can get idioms. never mind extended metaphors? especially ones of a different language. 

By the way that is a combination of two idioms, from two languages. Zulu + Japanese.

Gadheras said:

Trust is something you earn, its not something you can give on demand, so by default, you can't trust anyone you invite into your league. Tell people what to do and have them fall in line and rest sort itself over time, if they don't boot them out :p

correct , fall in line as you say :)

didnt catch the phrase "rest sort itself"so not sure of the meaning

but apart from this i agree,fall in line is important

on the other hand  it is important to respect eatch player needs,probably i dont want respect all league rules and plans but i am in the league ,i respect my league and my teamates so i deserve to be here even if i am not so loyal on any team plan,

one real example: i am disloyal to the beacons, i dont help but it doesnt mean i should be kicked since i am a sociable and connective member,anything counts in a league and we should respect the speciall characteristics eatch player has ,thats the meaning of the team "respect the difference".

sison said:

Gadheras said:

Trust is something you earn, its not something you can give on demand, so by default, you can't trust anyone you invite into your league. Tell people what to do and have them fall in line and rest sort itself over time, if they don't boot them out :p

correct , fall in line as you say :)

didnt catch the phrase "rest sort itself"so not sure of the meaning

but apart from this i agree,fall in line is important

on the other hand  it is important to respect eatch player needs,probably i dont want respect all league rules and plans but i am in the league ,i respect my league and my teamates so i deserve to be here even if i am not so loyal on any team plan,

one real example: i am disloyal to the beacons, i dont help but it doesnt mean i should be kicked since i am a sociable and connective member,anything counts in a league and we should respect the speciall characteristics eatch player has ,thats the meaning of the team "respect the difference".

Well, if you join a "beacon" league, you should know what is expected of you. Having lost a lot of units over what seems for very little gains or of no use at beacons I don't really fancy them, but they are what they are. 

nobody said:

Oracle said:

English is not my arterial language. I was planning on deleting the thread, and editing in the background and adding more information as I was not done with it, I planned on posting it today. But I lost the internet before I could delete it, and work on it, from now on I will work on word

But thank you for showing some of the eye-hurting-grammatical-howlers. I fixed some of them. Should you see them please notify me by PM, and I will fix them. 

aha,  told you about 3rd, fourth, 5th and 6th languages.

as for the thread itself, i don't consider it a bad effort.  it may not be the best, but it may have been a true effort.  whether you are attempting true growth or whether this is your greatest troll, that idk, but i will side with true growth.

as to the player who stated that this "and I tell you a league dies at the day it was made, and is buried at the day its goals where put in place" is the most meaningless statement in the post.  wrong, incorrect, false, inaccurate.  this is a statement of the foundation of the vision and direction of the league.  there are many other variables, but the vision and direction of a top 10 league that lasts years and a league that never gains more than 20 players or breaks the top 500 leagues, then fades away, is the difference.  it is a statement of use of strategy, the thought out vision and direction of those founding the goals of the league.

I never said that. I did English as my First additional Language in School. kinda like second language. In paper its that way.  But before I learned to speak and write  English I already knew how to speak and write  many languages unofficially. outside school. 

Oracle said:

English is not my arterial language. I was planning on deleting the thread, and editing in the background and adding more information as I was not done with it, I planned on posting it today. But I lost the internet before I could delete it, and work on it, from now on I will work on word

But thank you for showing some of the eye-hurting-grammatical-howlers. I fixed some of them. Should you see them please notify me by PM, and I will fix them. 

aha,  told you about 3rd, fourth, 5th and 6th languages.

as for the thread itself, i don't consider it a bad effort.  it may not be the best, but it may have been a true effort.  whether you are attempting true growth or whether this is your greatest troll, that idk, but i will side with true growth.

as to the player who stated that this "and I tell you a league dies at the day it was made, and is buried at the day its goals where put in place" is the most meaningless statement in the post.  wrong, incorrect, false, inaccurate.  this is a statement of the foundation of the vision and direction of the league.  there are many other variables, but the vision and direction of a top 10 league that lasts years and a league that never gains more than 20 players or breaks the top 500 leagues, then fades away, is the difference.  it is a statement of use of strategy, the thought out vision and direction of those founding the goals of the league.

Griffen said:

Oracle said:

According to one of the most, if ever succesfull guild/marshal 

It's just pure genius. Add words together to form nonsensical sentences, or in this case one that has the complete opposite meaning your going for. Knowing who it probably came from I would definitely stick with the "if ever" bit though.

 

To achieve these trust leaders often fail and even covert admitting to their own mistakes

Covertly admitting to mistakes. Those words have no meaning when added together.

 

I like the fourth definition much better

Particularly good one as there are only 3 in the picture......

 

These is like DNA, once a part initiated for trascription, further copies are activated downhill.

Back to pure gibberish.

 

and I tell you a league dies at the day it was made, and is buried at the day its goals where put in place

That is even in bold. Who highlights in bold the most meaningless part of their post.

Was this done in google translate or something? Either that or one of those clever random paragraph generators. 

It's not a serious contribution though right. It can't be surely. Totally demented ramblings.

Lol! Well said! 

Although i suspect that English is likely the OP's second, third, or even fourth language.

Oracle said:

Thank you, my Lord, for your input. 

Solidarius said:

to put my opinion on the matter, I personally believe that hate/fear is stronger than love because as most of us know or will find out... love does not last so for that reason I think it's probably better to "rule" a league with an "iron fist" than be all nice and warm and cute.arround

Very true, an authoritarian league and ones that work on a system of anarchy don't need to trust each other much. Most Marshals work around these issue by forming what I called above as ''inclusive sub-faction'', they group a few players in the league and form close relationships with them, winning the trust of that group of people. The marshal then places those people in strategic positions in the league, like making them captains, commanders ect The group work together to lead the league, sometimes without the authority of the marshal in the open or in the shadow. They spread their influence in great length within the league thus making sure everyone follows the order of the leadership. 
The other players don't have to trust them but must be controlled by them. For as long as they control players, then the league will flourish. 

This can lead to the destruction of the league when power balance is upset between the faction. When the marshal loses power among the faction or another faction is formed stronger than the marshal's, He/she is forced to step down.

Solidarius said:

I think the most important thing for a league to be successful is activity, it does not matter if there is lack of trust or goals if the players in the league are not "playing" or login on. 

I agree with you.  Conflicts also drive players to log into the game.  Without conflict, players will get bored and leave the game, or the league. 

yep Marshals and Capt/ect are key to the "system" of a league... I dont mind being "ordered" because I believe thats what a soldiers job is after all. Dont get me wrong trust for the lower members is important but I think they need to earn it first by activity asking questions about the game and putting defense on beacons ect ect

Conflict can also drive players out of the game, losing beacons because of constant fights vs a stronger league ... I know a few that have made big mistakes like myself and lost nearly all their army in a bad raid/defense and that alone caused them to quit because it take so much time to build it back.

a recent example, I know a league in my server(2) that lost their beacons a few weeks ago that had 160 members and within a few days it had only like 70 left.

brunsonthomas said:

Not only are people skills required but so is a vision or target or plan. It does not matter what you call it but to have an objective that is both attainable but with a plan how to get there. The Marshal must know where the league is heading and how to get there. Diplomacy skills help to find and create Alliances or treaties to discourage enemies from getting over zealous. The harder part is keeping spies from stealing information for other leagues. With the current state of the game that means anyone promoted above soldier must be explicitly trusted.

Goals are very important. They are correlated to the morale of players and influence the level of their zeal. When the goals are good ones and speaks with reason, achievable or not achievable. Players will be motivated to see them through. 

its always a good Idea to have clear reason WHY you need to set a goal than what your goal is. I highly recommend every league marshal to watch these. In fact everyone should see these video

https://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action

What is more  important is  the why part of your goal, not the what part of your goals. These is manifest in league messages or post. Most league emphasize more on  what are their goals, than why are they having those goals.

Example of good league post

- We are X league, We do these X we need these X Here are the rules. Do you want to join us? 

Example of good league post

We believe coining makes a great team X, and X . That is why we do X. We just happen to be X  league, and focus on PvP.  Want to join us?

To expand on that, Always make sure make your league goals as specific as possible, have measurable standards that can be attainable and is relevant to your players relevant and can be achieved in a time that your players can actually manage with

Gadheras said:

Oracle said:

Thank you, my Lord, for your input. 

Solidarius said:

to put my opinion on the matter, I personally believe that hate/fear is stronger than love because as most of us know or will find out... love does not last so for that reason I think it's probably better to "rule" a league with an "iron fist" than be all nice and warm and cute.arround

Very true, an authoritarian league and ones that work on a system of anarchy don't need to trust each other much. Most Marshals work around these issue by forming what I called above as ''inclusive sub-faction'', they group a few players in the league and form close relationships with them, winning the trust of that group of people. The marshal then places those people in strategic positions in the league, like making them captains, commanders ect The group work together to lead the league, sometimes without the authority of the marshal in the open or in the shadow. They spread their influence in great length within the league thus making sure everyone follows the order of the leadership. 
The other players don't have to trust them but must be controlled by them. For as long as they control players, then the league will flourish. 

This can lead to the destruction of the league when power balance is upset between the faction. When the marshal loses power among the faction or another faction is formed stronger than the marshal's, He/she is forced to step down.

Solidarius said:

I think the most important thing for a league to be successful is activity, it does not matter if there is lack of trust or goals if the players in the league are not "playing" or login on. 

I agree with you.  Conflicts also drive players to log into the game.  Without conflict, players will get bored and leave the game, or the league. 

Never put people in positions based on them being friends. Friends, might make good friends, but terrible leaders and have lacking abilities for what is required.  activity, Initiative and knowledge is the strongest abilities you want. If they got "people skills" that is a bonus, but hey. can't expect everything. 

I'd say people skills are most important for a marshal, as they're the one people talk to when they want to negotiate with the league.  I've seen some marshals who didn't know much about the game itself, but were good at getting people and leagues to follow them, and they did pretty well.  For captains and other supporting players, it's more important to be active and know how to play.