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27 янв. 2017, 05:5327.01.17
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IOANNIS TSIAMANTANIS said:

Hallo Everybody


At lvl 126 get a reward equal to 144m resources but the units cost me 188m resources.

Those 44m I lose will get back in future payouts or I lost them permanently ?


i lost almost 30m troops in persia and left with nothing lol...i am not sure if the payout will come in this age haha.....maybe you lost them because now i am as well confused with there payout mechanism to be honest i have stopped playing persia to rebuild from scratch ....well done plarium ...
28 июль 2015, 03:4528.07.15
28 июль 2015, 03:48(отредактировано)
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this few weeks pass, im been talking about my loses around and around, but you guys keep ignoring and believe those moderator about the reward.

if i'm not losing any army to this new system, you really think i'm that free to repeating what i lose during the persian position again and again, you really think i'm that free to make up some stupid lunatic story to get attention.

honestly i'm just a normal player that love historical of ancient warfare, i never start getting this emo rampage after this new persian position changes.

not because i wanna make up something, but instead it happening, now i'm losing about 3.5m defensive and 1.2m offensive making me left 40% of my total army at acropolis, it a whole face palm situation, hope you guys know how desperated situation i'm facing......losing so much and yet there is no big reward to cover my total loses.

i'm from malaysia, not from west country, if there unfair happen i stood up and fuk the crap outta it, the 1st thing i wanna F is plarium, and the 2nd is the moderator that love to make up some stupid shlt to support this kind of shlt.
27 сент. 2015, 04:1927.09.15
25.08.14
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Getting more high level troops was a better choice when too many troops could dismiss in case you lacked grain.

Of course, both dismissing removal and artificial farms production boost have changed the situation.


Yet, it you had to build them by yourself, producing Thureophoroi would still much faster than javelineers for the same defense power.

Of course, you can still build both ! ;)


12 фев. 2017, 04:0812.02.17
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it seems that would not be the case and you are loosing paying players.  
7 март 2017, 12:4207.03.17
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so the ultimate aim of making persian games being hatre by everyone is to force the game to slowly die off itslf and none to play on it?

Plarium, why would u destroy a nice game with such stupid ways of running a business and yet loses all???

keeping your customers enjoying with good benefits even though u earn lesser money but on the longer run to this business, you will be profiting rather than look at short term profit and kill us all !!!!dumb ass staffs you are having in fact  
8 март 2017, 23:2908.03.17
04.10.14
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Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

discus said:

I hope Plarium keeps making changes that makes the game more difficult, more time consuming and more costly to a point where I can finally ditch this game forever
We strive to make this game more interesting, challenging and exciting. Our players become more and more experienced, and the game should evolve as well to keep you interested.
Interesting statement Alyona. Does it mean that Plarium have changed the persian mechanics to combat the experienced persian players to the detriment of the newer less experienced players? 
9 март 2017, 08:3909.03.17
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Fifer said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

discus said:

I hope Plarium keeps making changes that makes the game more difficult, more time consuming and more costly to a point where I can finally ditch this game forever
We strive to make this game more interesting, challenging and exciting. Our players become more and more experienced, and the game should evolve as well to keep you interested.
Interesting statement Alyona. Does it mean that Plarium have changed the persian mechanics to combat the experienced persian players to the detriment of the newer less experienced players? 
Persian mechanics wasn't changed. You still need to fight Persian Units, and you still can receive a reward from PP. However, as always, rewards are not guaranteed and the size of your potential reward may differ.
29 авг. 2015, 15:3929.08.15
29 авг. 2015, 15:52(отредактировано)
25.08.14
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Well, remember my last payout ?

Since then, i've been going on hitting the lowest positions I was offered when I had quests about them.

Then I got my second surpise payout on August 18th : 518 Promachoi + 104 Thuerophoroi out of a level 48 position.


Then I decided to play more seriously this time.

I used that last payout as my new bank, and for two full weeks, I totally stopped to play Persians at all and built around 3,000 infantry units (Hoplites, Myrmidons and Spartan Hoplites), as without them I would have been condemned to sacrifice the troops I actually wanted to keep.

Then I Sent 1/3 of them, along with Promachoi, to the 3 topmost positions I was offered.

In my case, it was a level 62 (quest one), 61 and 60, in order.


I was intending to hit the level 60 without finishing it and conclude with another level,60 to get the payout without risking to underbank in case of a partial payout, but it was mostly defended with cavalry, so my bunch of infantry and phalanx, though representing only 80% of the Persian force, litterally busted them, 

There I got lucky, as the big payout came immediately : 481 Agemas + 87 Mounted Peltasts, worth 12.3 millions, for only 6 millions invested in all since the previous payout.


I suppose I had actually been overbanking from the previous ones, as I has never had such a tremendous rate.

Anyway, now I have a 12.4 millions (with the resources that were part of the payout) bank to pay back, and honestly, it's still working as before, and I know lots of other people who are still getting great results as well.


So only one thing has changed from the original system : now you get partial payouts every time you fisnish a position.

The solution is then pretty obvious : DO NOT FINISH POSITIONS.

Build your bank from unfinished positions, then go on to overbank at least 30%.

The reason is, after you've paid the bank back, you should trigger the big payout any moment, but remember there have never been 100% chances to get it immediately. Sometimes it could take 2 or 3 trials before it dropped, and this has not changed.

However, what has changed is you'll get partial payouts for each failed trial, so if you don't overbank, the partials may decrease your bank down to under the sweet spot.

That's why you just have to overbank a lot, so you're sure to get your real payout byt finishing a few positions. To know where you are, just substract the partial payouts values from your bank, it's as simple as that. If you're using the spreadsheet, just type negative quantities.

Trust me, it works all the time.

I agree it can take longer than before, but it still works, and the partial payouts are still adding to your army anyway.


As far as my discussions with Plarium are getting, I've been confirmed they've been addressing complaints from lazy people whinning about not getting immediate results, and unfortunately, they were so many to complain they answerd with this new method.

There's no plan to get back for now, so please, adapt and try the method i'm suggesting. It works great for me and other players, so there's no reason why it wouldn't work great for you as well.


The real concern is for people hitting vey high levels. Hitting one or two additional positions may become impossible to achieve and results are too uncertain.

This is an almost unsoluble problem so far, as you obviously can't get additional bunches of the necessary 120 millions worth troops just to overbank for safety.

So more than ever, try not to raise your maximum level too fast, unless you're prepared to be producing troops for months before gambling.
4 сент. 2015, 11:1704.09.15
22 июль 2019, 12:24(отредактировано)
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I have just one question, fighting PP:s in the long term!


Example:

You fight 200 PP:s in a row and winning all time

Your quest PP stays at level 90

You mix fighting offensive and defensive PP:s, even though your main goal is fighting one of them.

You always Attack/Defend with the most suitable troop type

So the question is. If I hit the last one (200) at level 86 and it will bring me a (the) big reward. Will that gain me more than I have invested, or at least break even ?


14 март 2017, 09:1514.03.17
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IOANNIS TSIAMANTANIS said:

Change the Topic Title from

Get Guaranteed Rewards at Persian Positions!

to

Get Guaranteed Total Army dissaster at Persian Positions!

it is Closer to Reality

Why so pessimistic, Ioannis?  What's your personal experience with PPs?
14 март 2017, 14:1914.03.17
04.09.16
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Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


IOANNIS TSIAMANTANIS said:


Change the Topic Title from

Get Guaranteed Rewards at Persian Positions!

to

Get Guaranteed Total Army dissaster at Persian Positions!

it is Closer to Reality

Why so pessimistic, Ioannis?  What's your personal experience with PPs?

I am not pessimist, i am realist.


What do you want to know about my pps experience ?

16 март 2017, 11:2516.03.17
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IOANNIS TSIAMANTANIS said:


I am not pessimist, i am realist.


What do you want to know about my pps experience ?

I'm just curious, do you play PPs? Or maybe you stopped playing them after some time... Did you have some good rewards, or bad ones? 
16 март 2017, 17:4016.03.17
04.09.16
288

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


IOANNIS TSIAMANTANIS said:



I am not pessimist, i am realist.


What do you want to know about my pps experience ?

I'm just curious, do you play PPs? Or maybe you stopped playing them after some time... Did you have some good rewards, or bad ones? 

I never stop playing pps.



My last 6 payouts :


6) Payout Level 125 Offence

Spartan Promachos = 13.591 Units, Total 144.200.510 resource units value


5) Payout Level 129 Defense

M.Peltast = 20.002 Units, Total 150.015.000 resource units value


4 ) Payout Level 130 Defence

Agema = 2.501 units, Total 60.591.727 resource units value

M.Peltast= 12.511 Units, Total 93.832.500 resource units value

Total 154.424.227 resource units value


3) Payout Level 134 Defense

Spartan Promachos = 4.779 Units, Total 50.705.190 resource units value

Thoureophoros = 23.897, Total 119.485.000 resource units value

Total 170.190.190 resource units value

http://prntscr.com/ekrlih


2) Payout Level 139 Offence

Sarissophoros = 17.675, Total 138.271.525 resource units value

T.Thorakites = 3.536, Total 18.740.800 resource units value

Total 157.012.325 resource units value

http://prntscr.com/ekrk91


1) Payout Level 145 Offence

Spartan Promachos = 7.015 Units, Total 74.429.150 resource units value

http://prntscr.com/ekrjpt



6th payout cost about 44mil resources more and I get them back during the next two payout cycles.

3rd payout cost about 20mil resources more.

2nd is less than the previous payout by 8% and cost about 35mil resources more.

Last payout (1) is less than the previous payout by 58% and cost about 115mil resources more. 

4 сент. 2015, 23:1104.09.15
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POSITIONS PERSIAN NOT WORK AS BEFORE UPDATE ALL KNOW.

NOW IS MORE LIKE A LOTTERY, NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE LOSSES AND REWARDS

FOR GETTING BETTER NOT INCREASE YOUR LEVEL POSITIONS OF PERSIAN

AND DO NOT SPEND MONEY WITH PLARIUM

17 март 2017, 16:0217.03.17
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Dorieas said:



Then check those owls are missing from yr shot but are on to the all of  shots of Xena...

That is one of many examples that game isnt equal to all Players of Sparta... 

Some questions that my poor brain is wondering... 

What are those owls and why arent appear to us when we play PP???

What any help you give to yr players on the game??? 


Hi! Xena is playing on Facebook server, where we have those Owls. they are a part of a new feature that was implemented a month ago or so. Right now we are not ready to implement it on plarium.com server, because our devs are working on server performance improvements. Once they finish, we will add all new features that are missing, including this one :)

As for the PPs, they work the same on all SP servers. Servers differ, but the core code is the same. So those rewards that are possible on Facebook are also possible on Plarium.com.
28 март 2017, 03:5328.03.17
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28 март 2017, 07:4228.03.17
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Unknown_Ranger said:

Hi! Are you new to Sparta? :)
1 апр. 2017, 19:1201.04.17
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5 сент. 2015, 03:5705.09.15
25.08.14
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Well, I've been trying both methods :


- Blindlessly hitting positions for the win, rookie style.

Above levels 60+, I got so many good partial payouts it was impossible to pay the bank back (this was actually done after getting my latest big payout, see below)...

Between levels 45-55, partials payouts are more mediocre, but in the end, I did pay the bank back and got a 6 millions payout in Promachoi and Thorakitai.


- Then knowing my bank amount at last (I was a bit lost after the change :p), I built infantry for two weeks and hit the 3 topmost positions i had (level 62 + two  level 61) WITHOUT FINISHING THEM.

Well, actually, that's what I had planned, but the 2nd level 61 was defended by cavalry and my infantry slaughtered them, though I had only sent 80% of the theorical force.

To my surprise, the big payout came immedaitely (I knew the bank was paid back, but everybody knows you never have 100% chance the payout drops at the first trial - there I was lucky).

It was a 12.5 millions payout in Agemas and mounted Peltasts.

Then I finishd the remnaing positions so I levelled up with next level to hit being 63, and got partials, but th were so huge they were superior to what I had invested in them.

These ones I know are random, but the big payout was a pleasant surprise, as I didn't even have time to overbank as planned, so i really got 12.5 M for 6 M invested.

However, my previous payout was modest, so i probably had overbanked previously.


Anyway, it works perfectly as usual.

You have two tactical choices to make :


- Either start positions and build your bank as usual. To achieve this you MUST ABSOLUTELY FINISH NONE OF THEM, or you'll decrease your bank. If it happens, just substract your partial payout value from your current bank and go on.

You must overbank by at least 1 or 2 positions so you can plan on hitting up to 2 or 3 finising positions to get the payout without underbanking, as, as reminded above, you never get 100% chances to get the big payout out of the first trial (and it has ALWAYS been like this, only you didn't get anything, so you couldn't risk to underbank).


- Either playing for tournaments (like right now) and finish positions as they come.

This will give you only partials, unless you've finally reached the sweet spot (it can happen, that's how i got the previous big payout before my last one).

However, positions under level 40 give very few tournament points (they even give only one point up to level 20 or so), so you should really try to reach at least the 50+ levels range fast enough).

Awarded points grow exponentially with the level, so try to reach an area that still allows you to hit enough posiions with what you can produce in one week if you want to play every weekly tournament. Last time, I chosed not to play Persians, and kept on building fodder for two full weeks without hitting any.

Of course, the best strategy is still to grind positions down during the week, then finish hem off during tournaments, as usual.

However, since we don't have to care anymore about grain and every position is only 1 mn away, it doesn't matter anymore if you just keep all your troops until the tournament starts.


So please stop whinning.

Those damn partial payouts have been introduced precisely because thousandths of people were whinning all day long to Plarium support about not getting immediate payout for every position they hit, until the staff got mad and added those stupid partial payouts.

If everybody would stop whinning and learn how to adapt, maybe we would get less silly changes ! have you even thought about that ? :(