csneucamp said:

I have already payed Xerxers 1 billion resources after my biggest reward at level 170, the same one of those >37k MP previously displayed here. Now xerxes never payed me back anymore. This is so frustratiing, i feel like Plarium cheat me, because they give one thing at a moment and change the mechanism after to fuck you up in a way that there is no come back.

1bil! Wow! 

There may actually be another criteria to take in account : each unit's defense capacity against various attackers.

Building phalanx or cavalery will litteralery bust defending infantry.

On the other hand, infantry will slaughter defending cavalry, while the two defending Greek phalanx units have different defense specialties against various kinds of offense (thats why I combine both in pantheons).

Every kind of unit has its strong and weak points, and they're complementary.

A balanced army should probably be mixed, especially in defense. :)

i tried to do persian positions but lost all my good troops.

is there is any way or strategy to get good rewards from persian positions?

its killing my game and building phax and cav not worth it.

so if anyone know strategy let me know plz

Hi guys. I happened to be involved in running 2 cities: one is mine and one belongs to another guy.

I can tell you for sure by comparison that the cities respond absolutely differently to the SAME approaches.

There are countless examples of irregularities that you would find out about by comparison.

When I first got involved with the second city, it was lvl 27, while my own city was lvl 65. The second one had all manufacturing buildings lvl2-3 and only light infantry barrack. To my amazement, it was much easier to develop the small city. Right now it is lvl 84 vs my main city lvl87. It has larder army, it has more frequent and larger PP payouts. As for the lvl 87, it took 4-6 months between large payouts. And I do pretty much of PP – 115 mil points

After they changed the game and started returning 30% of the potential payout prematurely. I adjusted my computation and started deducting the partial payout from my “investments”. Nothing worked. Even when the investment topped 150% of the last large payout – the new ones were miserable. Could be 66 Promachos after hitting lvl160 PP. After that, I sometimes go all-in and hit another 160 lv – with a similar result. Plarium would make sure that my partial payouts are mostly cavalry and most of all Xerexes positions are heavily skewed towards cavalry (or my phalanx vs the Xerxes phalanx), which makes it impossible to accumulate the troops to beat the top PP in less than 6 months. That is why (and because I need to produce “pieces” for my General) I would attack a lower lower position – and that is when Plarium allows a payout – much smaller than I was entitled during the several previous top PP attacks

One of the admins admitted that there is no fair rule in providing payouts and Palarium would “delay” it as long as it chooses, with no available timeframe. And boy, he was so right – maybe his honesty cost him the job. Every time I would ask the Parium staffers as to how to be able to catch up with their silent “changes”, they would hind behind the “proprietary”. In other words, in this “bank”, we are not guaranteed even that our “investment” comes back.. Last time I discussed the issue with an Admin a person called Kakos started filibustering as if he was on Palrium payroll . 

The only rational explanation would be the “divine intervention” on the Plarium part- in a way the Architect from the movie “Matrix” had been re-writing programs. I can trace it to me refusing to spend even a penny, after the Plarium refused to take any responsibility for their “visual bugs” that cost me up to 4 raids for resources per day. I was persistent and vocal. That probably made me an unwanted player and subjected to harmful treatment. The point seems to be: either to force me to spend money or leave the game and then my “bad influence” on the sheep would end.

you should give me your recommendations this is leaving me without troops.

Hi guys. I happened to be involved in running 2 cities: one is mine and one belongs to another guy.

I can tell you for sure by comparison that the cities respond absolutely differently to the SAME approaches.

There are countless examples of irregularities that you would find out about by comparison.

When I first got involved with the second city, it was lvl 27, while my own city was lvl 65. The second one had all manufacturing buildings lvl2-3 and only light infantry barrack. To my amazement, it was much easier to develop the small city. Right now it is lvl 84 vs my main city lvl87. It has larder army, it has more frequent and larger PP payouts. As for the lvl 87, it took 4-6 months between large payouts. And I do pretty much of PP – 115 mil points

After they changed the game and started returning 30% of the potential payout prematurely. I adjusted my computation and started deducting the partial payout from my “investments”. Nothing worked. Even when the investment topped 150% of the last large payout – the new ones were miserable. Could be 66 Promachos after hitting lvl160 PP. After that, I sometimes go all-in and hit another 160 lv – with a similar result. Plarium would make sure that my partial payouts are mostly cavalry and most of all Xerexes positions are heavily skewed towards cavalry (or my phalanx vs the Xerxes phalanx), which makes it impossible to accumulate the troops to beat the top PP in less than 6 months. That is why (and because I need to produce “pieces” for my General) I would attack a lower lower position – and that is when Plarium allows a payout – much smaller than I was entitled during the several previous top PP attacks

One of the admins admitted that there is no fair rule in providing payouts and Palarium would “delay” it as long as it chooses, with no available timeframe. And boy, he was so right – maybe his honesty cost him the job. Every time I would ask the Parium staffers as to how to be able to catch up with their silent “changes”, they would hind behind the “proprietary”. In other words, in this “bank”, we are not guaranteed even that our “investment” comes back.. Last time I discussed the issue with an Admin a person called Kakos started filibustering as if he was on Palrium payroll . 

The only rational explanation would be the “divine intervention” on the Plarium part- in a way the Architect from the movie “Matrix” had been re-writing programs. I can trace it to me refusing to spend even a penny, after the Plarium refused to take any responsibility for their “visual bugs” that cost me up to 4 raids for resources per day. I was persistent and vocal. That probably made me an unwanted player and subjected to harmful treatment. The point seems to be: either to force me to spend money or leave the game and then my “bad influence” on the sheep would end.

GhostRider said:

i agree with this as i am waiting for the payout but by mistake i hit a very lower level position and the reward was much better thn the top positions i hit ....

I also heard that sometimes low positions are rewarding. But that is a part of the deceptive Plarium MO: they let their favored players know how the game is staged and they also notify about the changes. You and I are deliberately blinded

GhostRider said:

i agree with this as i am waiting for the payout but by mistake i hit a very lower level position and the reward was much better thn the top positions i hit ....

I also heard that sometimes low positions are rewarding. But that is a part of the deceptive Plarium MO: they let their favored players know how the game is staged and they also notify about the changes. You and I are deliberately blinded

Hallo Everybody

At lvl 126 get a reward equal to 144m resources but the units cost me 188m resources.

Those 44m I lose will get back in future payouts or I lost them permanently ?

Tones of evidence of Plarium cheating or at least being unfair to certain players while favoring others. 

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

discus said:

I hope Plarium keeps making changes that makes the game more difficult, more time consuming and more costly to a point where I can finally ditch this game forever

We strive to make this game more interesting, challenging and exciting. Our players become more and more experienced, and the game should evolve as well to keep you interested.

Interesting statement Alyona. Does it mean that Plarium have changed the persian mechanics to combat the experienced persian players to the detriment of the newer less experienced players? 

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

discus said:

I hope Plarium keeps making changes that makes the game more difficult, more time consuming and more costly to a point where I can finally ditch this game forever

We strive to make this game more interesting, challenging and exciting. Our players become more and more experienced, and the game should evolve as well to keep you interested.

3 Payouts back i had 273mil in res total units.

After three Payouts everybody thinks that i should have had 300+ mil in res total units. 

But not.

From 170mil the Payout bank drooped to 154mil and finally to 74mil. 

The last Payout is partial only 74mil and the previous two cost me about 70mil more res than the rewards.

My total units now in resources are equal to 123mil.

Total lose = more than 170 mil. 

150 mil in resources the difference of 273-123 plus the rewards of tournaments and training process of more than a month, the time between the payouts.

These units are equal with the training process of fours queues at 24/7 for more than a year.

Continue playing pps or stop ?

If I stop playing PPS probably I stop playing the game too.

Any advice from experienced PPS players on how to deal with this situations is welcome.

We, the players become more and more disappointed from the way that plarium selected to keep the game interesting.

I am not pessimist, i am realist.

What do you want to know about my pps experience ?

To me it seems while you do get small payouts frequently (in troops) often times the payout you get is screwed up by resources. Considering that it is easy to get resources through raids I don't think resources should affect the payout you get from positions. Also I have noticed numerous times while MOST of the time you do get some sort of reward after each position, there are still times that you are rewarded with huge numbers of units. For example, just this evening I beat level 66 (offensive) and got 1400 Promachos and 300 Thureophoros. So now I KNOW that it will be quite a while b4 I get another big pay out. 

Also, its worth mentioning that level 66 was the highest position I had access to. But if by chance I had not chosen to attack that one but instead went to a position in the mid 40s the payout would not have been as large, and/or paid in the same type of units.

has  anyone ever got a payout higher than 30k in def phalanx?   or 20k  off phalanx?    I would like to see a screen shot  of that.     if  the moderators  would  ever post  something like that  I would believe that the rewards were good.      the other  day I won  18k mounted pelts  and 4k agemas.    I bought another  6k mp,  1k agema.   and   about 8k  in  def and off phalanx.    to get my next reward   I had to use every troop in my acropolis    and then I get back 30k phalanx.      really....     that  is the funniest thing  ever.   why  does it take  until my very last units  to get a payout again.   I don't think   buying   1/3 back in mounted pelts  1/4 agema  the extra 8k in def/off phalanx   plus the reward  of 18 k cav    should   be rewarded   with  the   original value of  18k cav   which   roughly  equals  30k  def phalanx.          no point in playing    anymore,     whats wrong plarium    don't you like my money!?!?!???????   

hhaahhaa    that is perfect.    I have been there    plenty of times      oh   and  now  is also  one of those  times

Hi Ioannis...

I m borrowing yr last print screen with the PP payout... Not about yr payout but I want to saw to all players something interesting... 

Please everyone focus to the date of the payout...

http://prnt.sc/ekrjpt 

Now please focus to the dates of the payouts from the shots one of the Moderators (Xena), sent me last night  to improove me that PP play good payouts, and propably me. I dont know to play PP... 

https://plarium.com/forum/en/sparta-war-of-empires/game-discussion/36599_whats-wrong-with-persian-positions---/ 

Then check those owls are missing from yr shot but are on to the all of  shots of Xena...

That is one of many examples that game isnt equal to all Players of Sparta... 

Some questions that my poor brain is wondering... 

What are those owls and why arent appear to us when we play PP???

What any help you give to yr players on the game??? 

Is that the reason Death Inc dropped from the first spot in coalition ranking 10 months ago??? I was member of Death Inc and witness  on this time and I ve seen HOB army been revived over and over and over again and attack our pans... 

Is any IQ test you pass yr Moderators before you employ them??? Cos propably after that shots they txt me they uncover how them bosses cheating on us and maybe they ll be on troubles now...

Regards