Just to clarify something about the room and skype action....

We dont see Plarium as our enemy. They are still our hosts for our free time fun. The whole idea is prior to take more drastic actions like leave this game for good with all our guys that are annoyed with the changes to give a msg to the game makers/developers and try to save this game in our point of view before it goes down the road with no return.

Personally i would be happy if in my business i had so many people put in their time to try point out to me what they all collectivly see as wrong and as reason to go. So please dont think we all just went bananas and decided to try damage plarium. Many team hegemons and team allyship leaders on it and all are thinking in a similar way. We all want this to be strategy and not pure pay to win.

We also would appreciate a meeting with plarium staff members over skype , ts3 or other online way to do a conference. Of course as on that room/initiative we are way too many we would pick a few to represent all as otherwise it would be really impossible to have a conversation due to way too may people. Also this would prevent missunderstandings that can occur easy over text. 

I do wanna point out again this isnt an act of hostility towards plarium. This is an act of seasoned strategy gamers that really want to help this game to keep be fun and interesting for all , small and big , new and elder players here. We feel part of its world and would like to help make it a place we will again want to stick around to enjoy in our free time. 

As you asked i will point out stuff that I don't like:

1. Developers (which are really not) COPY / PASTE stuff from another game, just rename it...

2. A long time ago this became a pay to compete game, to win you need to be a millionaire...

3. No point in having defensive and offensive troops any more...

4. The time that will take us to upgrade all new stuff you put in, will be by the time my son starts to play video games (he is only 2 months old)...

5. New players (lets say that they want to play the game for free) that come into the game, will see what it takes, and just give up...

cheers

The main issue with wich the big majority of players disagree are the new lvl's for agreements and the huge impact on the proportions of offencse and defense units wich leads to really no strategy skilled gaming actions.

Of course it is not the only thing that could be better but that one is the real game killer.... That way there is no reason to really bother with correct troops usage , no way for skilled players face a bigger spender non skilled player. 

Of course many people also means many details each one dont like or like etc..... but from all aspects the one with the agreemetns is the one that really pushes most of our guys to the exit.... and this we see will create a domino effect wich will eventually lead to the map get empty. First the no money players will leave as it will be impossible for them to keep up in any way, then it will be the moderate players and in the end even big spenders will have 0 reason to fight eachother over a "dead" map.

dxr250 said:

The main issue with wich the big majority of players disagre are the new lvl's for agreements and the huge impact on the proportions of offencse and defense units wich leads to really no strategy skilled gaming actions.

Of course it is not the only thing that could be better but that one is the real game killer.... That way there is no reason to really bother with correct troops usage , no way for skilled players face a bigger spender non skilled player. 

Of course many people also means many details each one dont like or like etc..... but from all aspects the one with the agreemetns is the one that really pushes most of our guys to the exit.... 

Agreed, i am sure each we have things we personally dont like (but we may not mind playing if not changed), that why i personally think is better to focus in the main reasons that made me think.... till here we arrive.

we are just trying to help plarium, because as a gamer i would like this to work for me and my collegues...

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dxr250 said:

Just to clarify something about the room and skype action....

We dont see Plarium as our enemy. They are still our hosts for our free time fun. The whole idea is prior to take more drastic actions like leave this game for good with all our guys that are annoyed with the changes to give a msg to the game makers/developers and try to save this game in our point of view before it goes down the road with no return.

Personally i would be happy if in my business i had so many people put in their time to try point out to me what they all collectivly see as wrong and as reason to go. So please dont think we all just went bananas and decided to try damage plarium. Many team hegemons and team allyship leaders on it and all are thinking in a similar way. We all want this to be strategy and not pure pay to win.

We also would appreciate a meeting with plarium staff members over skype , ts3 or other online way to do a conference. Of course as on that room/initiative we are way too many we would pick a few to represent all as otherwise it would be really impossible to have a conversation due to way too may people. Also this would prevent missunderstandings that can occur easy over text. 

I do wanna point out again this isnt an act of hostility towards plarium. This is an act of seasoned strategy gamers that really want to help this game to keep be fun and interesting for all , small and big , new and elder players here. We feel part of its world and would like to help make it a place we will again want to stick around to enjoy in our free time. 

Nicely said. This sums up my feelings entirely, and most of terms Coa. We are just hoping Plarium will take time to consider that this might have a negative impact on the game, and beyond its free player base.

We acknowledge the free player doesnt directly give profit to the bottom line, but we hope Plarium will come to realize that without a pathway for the free player to contribute or compete the value for the PAY player is going to decrease.

Further, when those free players start to give up en masse , its going to take a further and greater amount of value away from the game for everyone.

We want to prevent this from happening and believe the only course of action available is to mitigate, lessen , or otherwise adjust the impact of the agreement levels on free players and modest coiners. There needs to be at least a possibility for the free player to remain relevant, otherwise the quality of game play will decrease to a level too unappealing to retain a decent portion of the player base. We believe that keeping the free player population COMMITTED , as well as numerous is critical to the health of Sparta.

sweetpeahead said:

dxr250 said:

Just to clarify something about the room and skype action....

We dont see Plarium as our enemy. They are still our hosts for our free time fun. The whole idea is prior to take more drastic actions like leave this game for good with all our guys that are annoyed with the changes to give a msg to the game makers/developers and try to save this game in our point of view before it goes down the road with no return.

Personally i would be happy if in my business i had so many people put in their time to try point out to me what they all collectivly see as wrong and as reason to go. So please dont think we all just went bananas and decided to try damage plarium. Many team hegemons and team allyship leaders on it and all are thinking in a similar way. We all want this to be strategy and not pure pay to win.

We also would appreciate a meeting with plarium staff members over skype , ts3 or other online way to do a conference. Of course as on that room/initiative we are way too many we would pick a few to represent all as otherwise it would be really impossible to have a conversation due to way too may people. Also this would prevent missunderstandings that can occur easy over text. 

I do wanna point out again this isnt an act of hostility towards plarium. This is an act of seasoned strategy gamers that really want to help this game to keep be fun and interesting for all , small and big , new and elder players here. We feel part of its world and would like to help make it a place we will again want to stick around to enjoy in our free time. 

Nicely said. This sums up my feelings entirely, and most of terms Coa. We are just hoping Plarium will take time to consider that this might have a negative impact on the game, and beyond its free player base.

We acknowledge the free player doesnt directly give profit to the bottom line, but we hope Plarium will come to realize that without a pathway for the free player to contribute or compete the value for the PAY player is going to decrease.

Further, when those free players start to give up en masse , its going to take a further and greater amount of value away from the game for everyone.

We want to prevent this from happening and believe the only course of action available is to mitigate, lessen , or otherwise adjust the impact of the agreement levels on free players and modest coiners. There needs to be at least a possibility for the free player to remain relevant, otherwise the quality of game play will decrease to a level too unappealing to retain a decent portion of the player base. We believe that keeping the free player population COMMITTED , as well as numerous is critical to the health of Sparta.

We hope Plarium can see this logic.

its not the free players that are disappearing. my coal has a ton of them and they are not crying, same thing is going on the  new server. everyone posting here and complaining  are those that spent a ton the free players are clueless, playing and enjoying the game. I am sure plarium is looking at those stats.

Ill rebut both those statements in turn. 

First, this is not a Terminators initiative. It was originally proposed by the Hegemon of HoB. Terminators does support it, however, and Ive made a few posts in this thread supporting and detailing that. We have a FORUM mod playing in terminators.. not a game mod or admin. Big difference. Hes a player just like you who signed up to help with forum. He holds no authoritative benefit or incentive beyond the ability to moderate forum posts. This is common in many MMOs because helping with this work saves $ for the game owners. It does not directly impact game play itself. Further , he has no direct link to pass info onto the game devs. 

Second, Im a modest coiner bordering on a free player. My GF bought me drachmas once on my birthday (10$), and since we both had enjoyed playing , I also put a like amount in a couple of times on the game. Far less than many. Prior to that I had played the game 'free' for about 7 months.

I am concerned what will happen to the free player base because I realize what many are going to discover: when your troops are only 40% amped compared to a coiner who has them amped out to 420% of your value, its going to make you feel a bit insignificant. Plarium previously had  a dynamic whereby you could hit someones offense if left out and do enough damage to seriously injure a coin player. With an over 200% boost to the ofensive units defense , not only is your smaller army not going to kill even 1/3 as much , but your going to lose that small army too as the increased defense does more damage to you. The absence of this pathway further renders the free player marginalized.

That there is a huge population of free players still playing and joining 'blissfully' unaware of the impact of the changes does little to comfort me. Im concerned with how people who play for a length of time and are serious enough to examine game mechanics becoming disenchanted with the impact they can make on the game, and hence their long term enjoyment and relevance. I submit to you that it will result in people becoming disinterested in the game in an increasing rate and detract from the appeal of Sparta. Once this starts to sink in, this impact will accelerate.

That Plarium monitors metrics is no news. Im sure they do. But they also follow inflated stats. Declaring you have 250M accounts doesnt equate to having 250M active participants. My RL friends account is still 'active' a year after he quit. A game full of non starters and e-cities doesnt have the same quality as a game more populated by human players.

Anyhow , dont take my word for it. Look at the different coalitions involved in posting here. Look at what OTHER coas are saying if you dont want to listen to terminators.

Its not the first time a moratorium on buying coin has been suggested. Its the first time its had this much support from other coas across the board, however, and the first time so many pay players are actually concerned enough to try to participate to make a collective voice heard. 

Its not a fancy story to advocate for the overall health of the game.

http://prntscr.com/d1ys8d

And the answer is along the lines of : Dont you WANT us to make it harder for the free player to play?

Well, we thought that it might be pretty obvious that were stating the opposite. Sadly, Plarium has chosen to reduce the value of the game despite our concerns.

And the answer is along the lines of : Dont you WANT us to make it harder for the free player to play?

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Our game is a hardcore war strategy.

I must reply and say that ''your game'' would'n exist without players... Players are community. ''Copy paste'' updates from another game and just modify titles is just lame... Personally i find it very insulting...

This forum is just bullshit anyway. You think they read it all? think again. ANY other company would listen to their core base, the people who make their business sustainable, aka us the players. You think that is the case here? think again. 

Like he/she said himself/herself he/she doesn't play the game except on some dummy servers with no other players, they have no clue how to play or what strategy is. 7 pages in this thread already, 99% of players saying the same thing, even some big coiners, and still nothing changes, those out-of-proportion bonuses are still there. They will do as usual, wait until this thread dies and they will keep adding laggy improvements like the phylarque because they just don't give a shit what players want and what players think. In their mind adding Megan Fox on some banner image will keep us content. Just the fact that they can afford that should tell you they make enough money not to give a shit anyway. Or maybe that's just a cultural difference that we don't get? maybe in their country (Israel, Russia and Ukraine if you look at the company and careers page, or the name of the mod here..) they just don't care and don't listen?

Sparta is just one of many games they promote, they should make enough revenue from the other games as well. Whether or not they apply the same upgrade processes there I don't know, and honestly will never try. You want our money? you want our business? Then learn how to respect your customers or go back to school, that's business 101. I am also a developer and those modifications are quite easy to make, we're not asking for free coins, free troops or whatever, just realistic bonus schemes for those new agreements that nobody asked for in the first place, and even that they can't do.

And here is Plarium's solution lol

http://prntscr.com/d4d7me

http://prntscr.com/d4d7se

Plarium's VIP club idea is disappointing.

When players organised a skype room or whatever to discuss plarium problems, the rest of us are told to waste time listing concerns to plarium on a forum topic, so everyone is involved and can view complaints.

And here is Plarium's solution lol

http://prntscr.com/d4d7me

http://prntscr.com/d4d7se

Enjoy it all......... i dont think i need to comment on that...