With your purported team quality, why does Platinum take you a few thousand gems, Player J? What exactly is your win rate in Gold 4/Gold5 that it takes so many? How many refreshes are you forced to do searching for bad teams or one man defenses?
I mean, pushing Plat is quite difficult, I'll be the first to admit. But if your teams really are absolutely incredible, as your regular posts here state, it shouldn't take anywhere near that many gems. My teams ARE NOT incredible and I can push Plat with very little gem spending, as can @Harbby . He can speak for himself on his exact outlay of gems, but mine are always in the lower hundreds, if not below a hundred.
I'm happy to chat out my teams and strategies I use to push Plat, and I'm sure Harbby would as well. Harbby even uses go second teams. Perhaps we could save you a few thousand gems, or even some gems every week when you are trying to push into Gold 4 or Gold 5.
I think my Arena teams are incredible, but feel free to tell me what you think.
Here is my Speed Team:
Here is the Speed Team I use to Counter Tormin's
Here is my Go 2nd team used to Counter Double TM Lyssandra Team's
Here is my Go 2nd team used to Counter Blender team's
Here is my Go 2nd team used to Counter Regular Speed Team's
Despite having all those Arena teams.
They all lose to 1 single team.
Image the below 3 heroes + Madam Serris
The above Siphi will neutralize my Go 1st teams if she is faster.
The above Siphi will put Block Debuff Buff neutralizing my Go 2nd Tormin team.
The above Madam Strip will neutralize my Go 2nd Shield/Anti-Blender team.
The above Siphi + Arbiter will cause my Go 2nd Resistance team to go into a Stale mate forcing me to surrender.
The Siphi A1 will keep 1 of my heroes in a constant state of CC (Sleep)
The Siphi + Arbiter Revive Combination will cause my team from being able to win as they will keep reviving each other before I have chance to kill them both.
I think the way to win is by using Hegemon or getting faster Speed gear on my Speed Team.
Sadly, I haven't pulled Hegemon & I haven't pulled any faster SPD gear pieces.
Another team which I lose to is the below team:
It is an extremely tough nut to crack.
I think they run a High ACC Stun Set Hegemon in this build to disrupt.
The Duchess passive reduces incoming AOE Damage
The Nekret the Great passive places an Ally protection on Candraphon
The Candraphon places himself in Veil if you do Turn Meter Boost.
All the above things coming together make the Candraphon close to impossible to kill.
Than they build the Candraphon with the most outrageous Nuke Damage Gear.
My composition try's to survive and win the fight, but they all end up losing.
A friend of mine told me to use Maulie to win. lol
I have been thinking of a Counter set up.
I haven't figured out what the counter set up will be, yet.
But my little brain is got its gears spinning.
So yeah that is another reason why I'm not in Platinum in conjunction with the bad reset timing.
Player J, most of your problems could be solved with Stone Cardinal, or even two. I don't know your roster, but in my case, first team is more dangeorus and I would use two Stoneskin Cardinals, MS and Foli.
Second team, single S. Cardinal, MS, Crue and Foli. After the revive, MS strips, Cruetraxa kills Nekhret and seriuously damages Duchess. Foli finishes with a click on Candy.
Player J, most of your problems could be solved with Stone Cardinal, or even two. I don't know your roster, but in my case, first team is more dangeorus and I would use two Stoneskin Cardinals, MS and Foli.
Second team, single S. Cardinal, MS, Crue and Foli. After the revive, MS strips, Cruetraxa kills Nekhret and seriuously damages Duchess. Foli finishes with a click on Candy.
Can you show what you have available?
I do own Cardinal
I don't own Cruetraxa
I don't own any Stoneskin Gear
Your suggestion is very interesting.
I will try to get some Stoneskin pieces + lvl up my Cardinal and see what happens.
I will try to get some Stoneskin pieces + lvl up my Cardinal and see what happens.
Player J, I see your teams and your post. But RSL moderator duties and the University are keeping me very busy right now. I WILL come back to this soon and we can talk about the teams. Thanks for taking the time to post them and explain your matchups you use them in.
The Enemy team should be mostly dead with only 1 Swift Parry reviver still alive
The Swift Parry reviver shouldn't change anything because my Lydia will block any revive attempt sealing the enemy team fate completely.
Tyr Anasazi Suggestion + My Vision of the fight + My Roster of available heroes should be enough to make this set up the Ultimate Anti-Siphi Speed team counter set up.
At least that is what I am thinking in theory, The set up above hasn't been put into practice so their is no way of knowing how the set up will do.
Player J, yes, Stoneskin does benefit from Resistance. However, against Madamme you better pack some serious resistance (700+ plus Lydia) My Madamme is ACC 750-ish and she is, at best, average for that tier. This comp is iffy against buff strippers, you basically have three choices:
1. avoid
2. Two Stone Cardinals (75% chance that at least one won't be stripped)
3. YOLO it.
Cardinal must be lv 60. Time and again has happened that Candy's A1 does enough dmg to her that she loses the buff. Because she does take damage, except hugely reduced (90% i think). If the champion receives damage more than 50% of their health, they lose the buff.
Dark ELhain is good, but i'm sure you have stronger nukers than her, reccommend using your strongest because you have only one chance.
Fully maxxed, your comp will work, just make sure you have no less than 600 ACC on Sethalia and Lydia.
Also, they take turn based on their SPD, so make sure Sethalia is at least 1 SPD above Lydia. It's a good idea using Lydia, i haven't thought of that yet.👍
Yes, why Dark Elhain as your nuker there , Player J? Are you hoping to fight Tormin freezes with this comp? I haven't seen any Tormin/Cardinal pairings yet myself.
I think you've got a Foli and a Trunda you can drop in there from your earlier post?
Tormin absolutely crushes most Cardinal builds. She revives, and half of them end up frozen. Avoid them like the plague, unless your fastest champ being revived is someone like Doompriest or Tuhanarak.
Tormin absolutely crushes most Cardinal builds. She revives, and half of them end up frozen. Avoid them like the plague, unless your fastest champ being revived is someone like Doompriest or Tuhanarak.
I mean, I wouldn't take a Cardinal build in against a Tormin team at all. Hence why I was asking, in general, why you would use Dark Elhain.
Cause that is what an Immunity set team is for. Or a Hakkorhn or Cardiel in immunity at least. Immunity Maulie for good measure too. :D
Tyr Anasazi, Let me start off by saying I completely understand what you mean.
The below picture is my Speed Nuke Team.
If my above team is faster vs. the below screenshot Team, I win.
My Speed team would crush the above team if it is faster.
BUT sometimes I am not faster.
Sometimes, The Enemy team is simply faster vs. Me.
So the question is How do I win knowing I am slower.
I have tried several Go 2nd teams which I mentioned previously.
I think they are all good teams.
BUT they all seem to have issues winning consistently against the Siphi team composition.
This is why I want to get ideas on how to beat the enemy Siphi team composition.
The Cardinal idea you mention is interesting to me because I do own her.
It is worth a shot.
Obviously, Every Arena team composition has weaknesses & strengths.
The player who designed the below team was very skilled.
They want the team to be Unbeatable.
They want players afriad to fight them.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO RUN FROM A FIGHT, TYR ANASAZI
If I have to attack them 25 times in order to get the right team to beat them, Than so be it!
I live for these Raiding moments.
This is why I was very eager to try your idea.
In fact, I did think about your original Team idea.
I didn't tell you on the forums, but I did think about it in game.
I ended up dismissing your original Team idea due to unsolved issues.
I mean I can talk about it so you can see what I mean
The below set up is what you recommended to me originally.
I owned all 3 heroes you mentioned Foli, Serris, & Cardinal
However, I saw issues with it.
1st issue - None of the above 3 heroes provide Aura.
2nd issue - None of the above 3 heroes provide Weaken Debuff.
3rd issue - None of the above 3 heroes provide Increase Atk for my Nuker (Foli)
With these 3 heroes, My Foli in Theory should attack the below team with only Defense Down on them.
- No Weaken will be on them
- No Increase Atk for my Foli
If you think about it, My Foli will be missing a lot of damage.
Can Foli 1 shot with out all the other stuff?
I feel like he will not be able too.
So I thought about it.
I still have the 4th slot available.
Is their any hero in the game who can do Increase Atk + Weaken + Provide Resist Aura?
The closest hero I found who can do some of the above things was Hoforees the Tusked.
- Hoforees gives 50% Resist Aura
- Hoforees Increase Atk 50%
It fulfills 2 of the 3 things I was missing.
At that point, I decided to make a list of all the things I wanted:
1 - Resist Aura
2 - Strip Enemy Buffs (Have to remove enemy Siphi Block Debuff Buff in order to place my Debuffs)
3 - Increase Atk
4 - Decrease Enemy Defense
5 - Weaken Enemy Defense
6 - AOE Nuker
The team above covers 5 out of the 6 which isn't bad at all.
It probably will do very good.
However, The issue is why do I have to settle for 5 out of 6?
Why can't I be Greedy and have it all, Tyr Anasazi?
Why can't I have 6 out of 6?
This line of thinking is how I began piecing together my other team.
How can I get all 6 things from 3 heroes.
The first hero who came to me was Lydia because she has the Highest Resist Aura.
Lydia does Resist Aura, Def Down, & Weaken.
She does 3 things out of the 6 by herself.
So now I have 2 slots left and I am missing the below 3 things:
- Strip Enemy Buffs
- Increase Atk
- AOE Nuker
The next hero I thought about was the Strip Enemy Buffing hero.
The game doesn't have tons of enemy Stripping heroes and I don't own that many.
I only own 3:
- Madam Serris
- Rain the Conjuror
- Sethallia
Madam Serris does Stripping + Def Down
Rain does Stripping + Weaken
I felt both of the above was sort of Redundant because Lydia can do both Def Down & Weaken so I don't see how I gain anything by having a hero reapply a debuff I already have another hero applying.
This logic lead me to Sethallia.
Sethallia does Stripping + Decrease Enemy Turn Meter.
Obviously, The Decrease Enemy Turn Meter isn't hugely relevant to this team because my Cardinal is reviving with full meter so my team will all go.
The Decrease Enemy Turn Meter is more of a Side Benefit that I will have which is probably far better vs. Redundant Debuffs.
If your keeping count after adding Sethallia to my team, I was missing 2 things:
- Increase Atk
- AOE Nuker
Thus, I wanted to find a nuker who self Increase Atks before they AOE Nuke to get Maximum Damage out put.
I had 2 heroes to pick from:
- Lord Shazar
- Dark Elhain
I chose Dark Elhain because of the Horrible Internal Self-Criticism I gave myself.
It was extremely brutal.
I had to put the Inner Me on time out.
Lord Shazar, The hero with the Greatest Speed Aura in the entire game, is put on an Arena team with a Resist Aura.
Their was just something about that line of thinking that triggered the inner me.
So I decided Dark Elhain was probably the safe option.
Their are Pro's & Con's with every choice we make.
Lord Shazar can nuker harder vs. Dark Elhain I think.
BUT Dark Elhain Anti-Freeze Passive could be very useful.
I know Kramaswamy & Harle Quin was talking about Tormin.
Tormin is a possible hero players might use vs. this team.
Tyr Anasazi, Let me start off by saying I completely understand what you mean.
The below picture is my Speed Nuke Team.
If my above team is faster vs. the below screenshot Team, I win.
My Speed team would crush the above team if it is faster.
BUT sometimes I am not faster.
Sometimes, The Enemy team is simply faster vs. Me.
So the question is How do I win knowing I am slower.
I have tried several Go 2nd teams which I mentioned previously.
I think they are all good teams.
BUT they all seem to have issues winning consistently against the Siphi team composition.
This is why I want to get ideas on how to beat the enemy Siphi team composition.
The Cardinal idea you mention is interesting to me because I do own her.
It is worth a shot.
Obviously, Every Arena team composition has weaknesses & strengths.
The player who designed the below team was very skilled.
They want the team to be Unbeatable.
They want players afriad to fight them.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO RUN FROM A FIGHT, TYR ANASAZI
If I have to attack them 25 times in order to get the right team to beat them, Than so be it!
I live for these Raiding moments.
This is why I was very eager to try your idea.
In fact, I did think about your original Team idea.
I didn't tell you on the forums, but I did think about it in game.
I ended up dismissing your original Team idea due to unsolved issues.
I mean I can talk about it so you can see what I mean
The below set up is what you recommended to me originally.
I owned all 3 heroes you mentioned Foli, Serris, & Cardinal
However, I saw issues with it.
1st issue - None of the above 3 heroes provide Aura.
2nd issue - None of the above 3 heroes provide Weaken Debuff.
3rd issue - None of the above 3 heroes provide Increase Atk for my Nuker (Foli)
With these 3 heroes, My Foli in Theory should attack the below team with only Defense Down on them.
- No Weaken will be on them
- No Increase Atk for my Foli
If you think about it, My Foli will be missing a lot of damage.
Can Foli 1 shot with out all the other stuff?
I feel like he will not be able too.
So I thought about it.
I still have the 4th slot available.
Is their any hero in the game who can do Increase Atk + Weaken + Provide Resist Aura?
The closest hero I found who can do some of the above things was Hoforees the Tusked.
- Hoforees gives 50% Resist Aura
- Hoforees Increase Atk 50%
It fulfills 2 of the 3 things I was missing.
At that point, I decided to make a list of all the things I wanted:
1 - Resist Aura
2 - Strip Enemy Buffs (Have to remove enemy Siphi Block Debuff Buff in order to place my Debuffs)
3 - Increase Atk
4 - Decrease Enemy Defense
5 - Weaken Enemy Defense
6 - AOE Nuker
The team above covers 5 out of the 6 which isn't bad at all.
It probably will do very good.
However, The issue is why do I have to settle for 5 out of 6?
Why can't I be Greedy and have it all, Tyr Anasazi?
Why can't I have 6 out of 6?
This line of thinking is how I began piecing together my other team.
How can I get all 6 things from 3 heroes.
The first hero who came to me was Lydia because she has the Highest Resist Aura.
Lydia does Resist Aura, Def Down, & Weaken.
She does 3 things out of the 6 by herself.
So now I have 2 slots left and I am missing the below 3 things:
- Strip Enemy Buffs
- Increase Atk
- AOE Nuker
The next hero I thought about was the Strip Enemy Buffing hero.
The game doesn't have tons of enemy Stripping heroes and I don't own that many.
I only own 3:
- Madam Serris
- Rain the Conjuror
- Sethallia
Madam Serris does Stripping + Def Down
Rain does Stripping + Weaken
I felt both of the above was sort of Redundant because Lydia can do both Def Down & Weaken so I don't see how I gain anything by having a hero reapply a debuff I already have another hero applying.
This logic lead me to Sethallia.
Sethallia does Stripping + Decrease Enemy Turn Meter.
Obviously, The Decrease Enemy Turn Meter isn't hugely relevant to this team because my Cardinal is reviving with full meter so my team will all go.
The Decrease Enemy Turn Meter is more of a Side Benefit that I will have which is probably far better vs. Redundant Debuffs.
If your keeping count after adding Sethallia to my team, I was missing 2 things:
- Increase Atk
- AOE Nuker
Thus, I wanted to find a nuker who self Increase Atks before they AOE Nuke to get Maximum Damage out put.
I had 2 heroes to pick from:
- Lord Shazar
- Dark Elhain
I chose Dark Elhain because of the Horrible Internal Self-Criticism I gave myself.
It was extremely brutal.
I had to put the Inner Me on time out.
Lord Shazar, The hero with the Greatest Speed Aura in the entire game, is put on an Arena team with a Resist Aura.
Their was just something about that line of thinking that triggered the inner me.
So I decided Dark Elhain was probably the safe option.
Their are Pro's & Con's with every choice we make.
Lord Shazar can nuker harder vs. Dark Elhain I think.
BUT Dark Elhain Anti-Freeze Passive could be very useful.
I know Kramaswamy & Harle Quin was talking about Tormin.
Tormin is a possible hero players might use vs. this team.
Obviously, I am designing this team to counter Enemy Siphi teams so I do plan to avoid Tormin, Shirimani, & Gurgoh teams on Arena Offense.
However, I do plan to put this team on my Arena Defense for Fun.
I just want to see how other players approach beating it.
They might try Tormin, Shirimani, & Gurgoh teams against it.
They might try using a Block Revive Nuker like Foli vs. Trunda.
They might try using a Block Attempt hero like Lydia.
The set up I am creating here is designed to counter 1 team, but not all teams.
The set up I am creating has its own strengths & weaknesses.
If the enemy Player is prepared, They will beat this team easy as easy can be.
If the enemy Player is unprepared, They will struggle like they have never struggled before.
And that is how all set ups are.
Since the issue is mainly speed teams with fast Siphi, here is an example of what I use
This is my standard offense, with which I hunt simple speed teams. Works surprisingly well, esp. against Magic nukers like Trunda. The only one who is not replacable in this comp is Sandlashed. If you have her, you might try building a team around her and see how it goes.
The only speed team i avoid like the plague is one with Warlord. Last plat push i did, this apparently free login champion that everyone has except me, was on EVERY page, just... "A Wall of Warlords". The only two ways to counter him that i know of is being faster (which I'm not) or high RES Kymar (whom I don't have).