Lord Mark said:

SirWhatsHisNuts said:

Crow said:

I am not an expert on tracking bg banks  but have plenty of experience.  My intuition says in order to get a pure offensive payout you might need to deplete some gold from your bank by getting some defensive bg payouts then reloading heavy on iron bearing troops for the next big payout.

I often use the resource payouts as a gauge to determine the gold/iron ratio in my bank.  When I get an iron payout I was heavy on banked iron (and depending on the bg lvl and payout maybe still are).

thanks for the input, i keep my barns and warehouses full when I bg in order to avoid resource payouts

i decided to clear all yellows and be happy with the warlocks for now I will build for a while and decide what to do later

Can u tell me how much is your BANK ?

Did u use the yellow metode ?

my bank was at 420 million when i got that payout - if I had wanted to increase my bank further it would have meant loading more defense which I wasn't inclined to do after the payout my bank was still positive - after clearing my yellows my bank is now -155 million

SirWhatsHisNuts said:

Crow said:

I am not an expert on tracking bg banks  but have plenty of experience.  My intuition says in order to get a pure offensive payout you might need to deplete some gold from your bank by getting some defensive bg payouts then reloading heavy on iron bearing troops for the next big payout.

I often use the resource payouts as a gauge to determine the gold/iron ratio in my bank.  When I get an iron payout I was heavy on banked iron (and depending on the bg lvl and payout maybe still are).

thanks for the input, i keep my barns and warehouses full when I bg in order to avoid resource payouts

i decided to clear all yellows and be happy with the warlocks for now I will build for a while and decide what to do later

Can u tell me how much is your BANK ?

Congrats Lord Mark

seems that u have finally defeted the evil balur

keep doing them

Regards

Jezebel said:

Bad advice - Mark stop now!! do not feed those necros back to BG's

lol i didnt say to send the necros, though may be they were sent

you can feed also with other troops but will take more time

Juglar del Viento said:

Congrats Lord Mark

seems that u have finally defeted the evil balur

keep doing them

Regards

Bad advice - Mark stop now!! do not feed those necros back to BG's

Jezebel said:

Bad advice - Mark stop now!! do not feed those necros back to BG's

lol i didnt say to send the necros, though may be they were sent

you can feed also with other troops but will take more time

Regards

Jezebel said:

Juglar del Viento said:

Congrats Lord Mark

seems that u have finally defeted the evil balur

keep doing them

Regards

Bad advice - Mark stop now!! do not feed those necros back to BG's

Yes my lady ! I Stop now :) I will not do BG for a wile

Lord Mark said:

Nice payouts...keep going kill them and enjoy the game!

Best regards!

BiohazarD said:

Whenever you get a payout, just multiply the value by 1+ (the tax amount) and subtract that from your bank.  So if you get a 10 mil payout and assume the tax is about 5%, you'd subtract 10*1.05=10.5 mil from your bank.  

Too simple and mathematically wrong on many accounts. IF you use these kinds of maths you will end up experiencing "a bug".

Its logically correct but for that you have to assume that your reasoning about the bank is such that when it is satisfied you get results. And I am sure you don't. 

IF you use that logic you might hit up to 10 BG before you get a payout. 

Which will be split, and not 100% of the actual BG value. and by then your bank will be -105% of the bank ( if you use 5%). These means that you won't get another payout bigget than your previous BG until you return -105% of your BG plus 100%  of the next BG. 

You  will be making a loss. and you'll trap yourself in a loop, returning all your wins every-time you play BG. 

And if you use Yellow barring, then its over for you.

NOTE

the percentage can actually made into whatever figure you choose. anything from 0-25% works fine. it is NOT universal, you have to figure it out by studying your BGs. 

But if you are going to assume that its 0%, e.g the is no tax, you will find that most pay out are not 100% of the actual bank value. But when thee figure is higher, say 5-25% then your rewards will be 100% to 125% of the actual payout. 

Good old Joseph Moscato, Man o man was it funny to make him go nuts. Just constantly needle him until he loses it.

BiohazarD said:

We already have an alliance of leagues that meet to discuss bg/game mechanics info.  Unfortunately it has to have limited membership, if too many people figure out how things work plarium likes to change it up again :P

yep i can understand it. but i dont think plarium will change the mechanism of bgs, in fact that is discovered so many years ago, although basicly the way it works. this has not been changed since two bugs where discover, one by moscato years ago and the other the bug said yellowing bgs. the main system is still the same and fortunately cause old data i had made me realize about some importants things. Also fortunately in FB there are some people who does not matter share their knowledges and that made me take the right way.

djmoody said:

Between 5-10%. 

From the log I am looking at right now looks like 8%, might as well say 7.5% and split the difference (they wouldn't choose an non-round number like 8% after all).

And on the debate about whether it is deducted from your bank or increases the loading value required for a payout, I am tending towards the latter but given they give very very similar results it's not easy to tell. I can't really tell you my reasoning without disclosing the BG trick, which is kind of frustrating for the discussion :( 

here nobody can reasoning the theories without disclsing any kind of info

have u thought about create a group or chat to discuss all theories there ?? 

Regards

djmoody said:

Between 5-10%. 

From the log I am looking at right now looks like 8%, might as well say 7.5% and split the difference (they wouldn't choose an non-round number like 8% after all).

And on the debate about whether it is deducted from your bank or increases the loading value required for a payout, I am tending towards the latter but given they give very very similar results it's not easy to tell. I can't really tell you my reasoning without disclosing the BG trick, which is kind of frustrating for the discussion :( 

here nobody can reasoning the theories without disclsing any kind of info

have u thought about create a group or chat to discuss all theories there ?? 

Jezebel said:

its the same thing - you are still adding 10.5 million to your bank so if you don't take it off your "bank" your bank balance will reflect 12.5 million which would be inaccurate - you have to deduct the tax somewhere so whether you record it in your bank or put the additional amount into bg without recording it in your bank you are still paying it but you can't include the tax to your bank as newly added resources because the tax doesn't count

it's like when you buy something - you pay tax but you don't get additional goods because you paid tax

Dear Lady

im afraid the tax is not in ur bank. the 500.000 you pay as a tax is not included in the bank.

what i mean is, the tax is payed before the resources enter in bank. imagine u send a troop that cost 100, then balur takes the tax (5) and this 5 goes to the balurs pocket, and what enters in ur bank is 95. so you have to construct ur bank with that amount not with 100+5 =105

hope this can clarify the idea

Juglar del Viento said:

Jezebel said:

Same thing I think.  Using Bio's example you are going to have to reload 10.5 mil in resources to make up for that payout if your bank was 12 million you would have 1.5 million remaining in your bank not 2 million.  As long as you know the payout affects your bank balance it all works.

I thought the bg tax was 10-12% though.

what i think its if you have in ur bank 12M and get a payout of 10M yep in ur bank still remains 2M but what u have to pay is that 10M of the payout plus el 5% so you have to put into bgs 10.050.000 and then u are ready for the payout and in that moment ur bank is another time 12M 

sorry but maybe the night confuses my mind

Regards

its the same thing - you are still adding 10.5 million to your bank so if you don't take it off your "bank" your bank balance will reflect 12.5 million which would be inaccurate - you have to deduct the tax somewhere so whether you record it in your bank or put the additional amount into bg without recording it in your bank you are still paying it but you can't include the tax to your bank as newly added resources because the tax doesn't count

it's like when you buy something - you pay tax but you don't get additional goods because you paid tax

Jezebel said:

Same thing I think.  Using Bio's example you are going to have to reload 10.5 mil in resources to make up for that payout if your bank was 12 million you would have 1.5 million remaining in your bank not 2 million.  As long as you know the payout affects your bank balance it all works.

I thought the bg tax was 10-12% though.

what i think its if you have in ur bank 12M and get a payout of 10M yep in ur bank still remains 2M but what u have to pay is that 10M of the payout plus el 5% so you have to put into bgs 10.500.000 and then u are ready for the payout and in that moment ur bank is again 12M 

sorry but maybe the night confuses my mind

Regards

Juglar del Viento said:

BiohazarD said:

Whenever you get a payout, just multiply the value by 1+ (the tax amount) and subtract that from your bank.  So if you get a 10 mil payout and assume the tax is about 5%, you'd subtract 10*1.05=10.5 mil from your bank.  

sorry but i have just got confused about this. if you get a payout why do u substract the tax from u bank ??

if im not wrong the tax is what u have to add for the next payout

correct me if im wrong

regards

Same thing I think.  Using Bio's example you are going to have to reload 10.5 mil in resources to make up for that payout if your bank was 12 million you would have 1.5 million remaining in your bank not 2 million.  As long as you know the payout affects your bank balance it all works.

I thought the bg tax was 10-12% though.

How do U calculate tha Tax?