Keraunos said:

nice one but you should have hit a higher level about 85-95 to get a really big one

when the lower ones starts to pay you know that your bank is ok and you should go to higher ones

Lord Keraunos

if lower bgs begin to pay the only meaning it has its that u have returned the previous big payout. then now you have to take a look what its ur bank cause maybe you have bank to get a payout on lower but u dont have bank to get a payout on higher ones.

BG have a random factor. 

The method of banking
The percentage of the amount of your bank relative to tax
The number of BG you engage
The strength of BG you engage relative to your banking units. ect

Yellow barring is a bad idea, but its useful in turning high resource value units into low value resource units. Which in turn increase your overall unit strengh, givign you more power. 

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I found some screens of lvl 160 bg it they are of use.

http://vp.place-24.ru/en/galery.php

Here you can set the level and see screens of other levels.

https://imgur.com/6YKpbJH

djmoody said:

OK - I suspect as much.

Next time you do a run of BG's don't turn any boosts on.

Since the yellow bar update there has been a mechanic whereby if you are close to the appropriate loading but not quite there then you get a half payout. Since you are on a high level that range is actually pretty large in terms of resources. If you kill with boosts then you are never loading enough to go from below min level to drive half payout to over the avg banking value to drive a full payout. You are always getting suck in the "not quite" loaded zone and getting half payouts.

If you put no boosts on, you'll be loading more each BG with more chance of loading over the avg banking value for a full payout.

Assuming this helps you get a full payout I would stop BG's right now. They are loss making. Right now for reasons I won't go into atm you are in the best position to clear the maximum bank you can. This window will quickly disappear for you if you keep churning through BG's.

Dear lords

yesterday i was yellowing bgs, and couldn be able to get the payout when expected as the moment my bank said it had to come. maybe cause it was sunday, maybe cause the ramdom component were higher yesterday or maybe Lord Biohazard is right and not all resources go to bank if not finished. well i finished all yellowed except one cause a lot still remains and no big payout.

ok today i take a look to my bank and says i have bank for a 68-69 and try a 66

then this happens, what lord djmoody says, i got a 44% half payout

then, i remember, as i said in a post before. this takes out a big amount from my bank, but it is not a big payout, check my bank and says i have for a 60, dont have a 60 and as i am not sure cause the resources i have trapped in a yellowed, i decided step down 2 levels and check a 58 with a pike.

i see the results, send cavaltry and got this

so, my conclusions is...the half payouts are not so new and the old system when you had a split payout still works, when u receive a 40-60 half payout in one bg you can check ur bank step down some levels and be able to get the complete payout. i have won arround 40M in resources and only have to return 16M for the next big payout.

i wrote this for you to think about ur conclusions. 

mine now are almost 100% finished.

Regards

djmoody said:

Between 5-10%. 

From the log I am looking at right now looks like 8%, might as well say 7.5% and split the difference (they wouldn't choose an non-round number like 8% after all).

And on the debate about whether it is deducted from your bank or increases the loading value required for a payout, I am tending towards the latter but given they give very very similar results it's not easy to tell. I can't really tell you my reasoning without disclosing the BG trick, which is kind of frustrating for the discussion :( 

I was wondering how long it will take you to say a statement like that. 

You should change your signature.

its contradicting your actions. 

No statement or opinion is true until its proven. All thesis, proofs and evidence to your statement ARE what makes it correct NOT what league or associates you have. 

It took over 5 years and over 100 pages to prove that 1+1=2. 

Until you prove what you're saying with screenshots, reports formulas ect. your statements are not proven, and if that is the case they are false. 

Oracle said:

djmoody said:

Between 5-10%. 

From the log I am looking at right now looks like 8%, might as well say 7.5% and split the difference (they wouldn't choose an non-round number like 8% after all).

And on the debate about whether it is deducted from your bank or increases the loading value required for a payout, I am tending towards the latter but given they give very very similar results it's not easy to tell. I can't really tell you my reasoning without disclosing the BG trick, which is kind of frustrating for the discussion :( 

I was wondering how long it will take you to say a statement like that. 

You should change your signature.

its contradicting your actions. 

No statement or opinion is true until its proven. All thesis, proofs and evidence to your statement ARE what makes it correct NOT what league or associates you have. 

It took over 5 years and over 100 pages to prove that 1+1=2. 

Until you prove what you're saying with screenshots, reports formulas ect. your statements are not proven, and if that is the case they are false. 

Having had discussions with DJ and Bio about bg's I would say they have the knowledge to back their statements - your attempts to disprove other people just reflects badly on you - you also are not going to gain the information you want so you can better your bg outcomes :)

OK - I suspect as much.

Next time you do a run of BG's don't turn any boosts on.

Since the yellow bar update there has been a mechanic whereby if you are close to the appropriate loading but not quite there then you get a half payout. Since you are on a high level that range is actually pretty large in terms of resources. If you kill with boosts then you are never loading enough to go from below min level to drive half payout to over the avg banking value to drive a full payout. You are always getting suck in the "not quite" loaded zone and getting half payouts.

If you put no boosts on, you'll be loading more each BG with more chance of loading over the avg banking value for a full payout.

Assuming this helps you get a full payout I would stop BG's right now. They are loss making. Right now for reasons I won't go into atm you are in the best position to clear the maximum bank you can. This window will quickly disappear for you if you keep churning through BG's.

djmoody said:

Mark are you getting lots and lot of partial/half payouts (not the 5/6% guaranteed ones but the approx half level ones)?

Do you do BG's with a lot of bonuses turned on?

Yes I do :)

BG have a random factor. 

The method of banking
The percentage of the amount of your bank relative to tax
The number of BG you engage
The strength of BG you engage relative to your banking units. ect

Yellow barring is a bad idea, but its useful in turning high resource value units into low value resource units. Which in turn increase your overall unit strengh, givign you more power. 

And example

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Jezebel said:

Yellow barring is a bad idea, but its useful in turning high resource value units into low value resource units. Which in turn increase your overall unit strengh, givign you more power. 

I increased my "power" by 50 million the last tourney using the yellow bar method so please do not tell me it doesn't work

Did you read my yellowed word. Did you understand what I was trying to prove with my screenshots. 

If you would have read my post, opened those screenshot, you would have seen that in that screenshots I have increased a 2 million power units into 6 million. 

READ

Keraunos said:

nice one but you should have hit a higher level about 85-95 to get a really big one

when the lower ones starts to pay you know that your bank is ok and you should go to higher ones

You're right my bank at the time was equivalent to BG between that range. But if I have hit those BG the system would have forced ''all out'' payout which would have been split beast. 

BiohazarD said:

We already have an alliance of leagues that meet to discuss bg/game mechanics info.  Unfortunately it has to have limited membership, if too many people figure out how things work plarium likes to change it up again :P

yep i can understand it. but i dont think plarium will change the mechanism of bgs, in fact that is discovered so many years ago, although basicly the way it works. this has not been changed since two bugs where discover, one by moscato years ago and the other the bug said yellowing bgs. the main system is still the same and fortunately cause old data i had made me realize about some importants things. Also fortunately in FB there are some people who does not matter share their knowledges and that made me take the right way.

Good old Joseph Moscato, Man o man was it funny to make him go nuts. Just constantly needle him until he loses it.

BiohazarD said:

Whenever you get a payout, just multiply the value by 1+ (the tax amount) and subtract that from your bank.  So if you get a 10 mil payout and assume the tax is about 5%, you'd subtract 10*1.05=10.5 mil from your bank.  

Too simple and mathematically wrong on many accounts. IF you use these kinds of maths you will end up experiencing "a bug".

Its logically correct but for that you have to assume that your reasoning about the bank is such that when it is satisfied you get results. And I am sure you don't. 

IF you use that logic you might hit up to 10 BG before you get a payout. 

Which will be split, and not 100% of the actual BG value. and by then your bank will be -105% of the bank ( if you use 5%). These means that you won't get another payout bigget than your previous BG until you return -105% of your BG plus 100%  of the next BG. 

You  will be making a loss. and you'll trap yourself in a loop, returning all your wins every-time you play BG. 

And if you use Yellow barring, then its over for you.

NOTE

the percentage can actually made into whatever figure you choose. anything from 0-25% works fine. it is NOT universal, you have to figure it out by studying your BGs. 

But if you are going to assume that its 0%, e.g the is no tax, you will find that most pay out are not 100% of the actual bank value. But when thee figure is higher, say 5-25% then your rewards will be 100% to 125% of the actual payout. 

Lady Jezebel

thanks for ur answer, i really apreciate it

good luck in ur journey against balur

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Oracle said:

Jezebel said:

Having had discussions with DJ and Bio about bg's I would say they have the knowledge to back their statements - your attempts to disprove other people just reflects badly on you - you also are not going to gain the information you want so you can better your bg outcomes :)

They have spent much time playing and analyzing bg to come to the conclusions they have & the information is not shared freely with others.

Is one thing having studied something and coming to certain conclusions and using those finding to try and help people. Is another when you make branded claims never explain those claims with proof and then call yourself master or knowledgeable. 

You don't know anything until you can proof that you know. That is why scientists have journals and magazines, and business men have newspapers. 

Coming to the forum, a place where game mechanics are meant to be explained and shared and making statements that you're not willing to explain is something else. 

The KoK are still to make a BG thread in the forum. Members of the KoK have never explained/helped ect  anything worthwhile in relation to BG. 

They always show up in BG threads and make statements like its wrong, there is a trick to make 50 million offence. 

Won't it be a change if they explained or tried to prove their remarks. 

If not then they should refrain from making statements they can't proof. 

If you only took your own advice, I have never seen so many members prove a person wrong time and time again other than you Oracle.

They do not need to prove it, they do not need to share it, they found it and the fact that they even gave a hint that it is out there so others may find it is enough.