Jezebel said:

Stewart_KT1 said:

Because that is the way that plarium decided it should be. If a league has fulfilled the requirements to upgrade to lvl20 fortress then they have a lvl20 fortress.

Using the same logic!

It cost around 200k food to upgrade dragons from lvl 19 to lvl 20, SO now you must have 200k food in your barns at the time of an attack or your dragons will not hit as lvl 20 dragons. Same logic.

Getting food to the hammers at attack time would be interesting.

That doesn't really answer the question and it creates game inbalance 

what are you talking about having food in the barns for attacks? that is just a ridiculous idea - they removed the negative food issues so we would spend money and build these armies - that would just prevent game play

Ok, it didnt translate, I will put it in plain words.

It is as ridiculous to need to have food in barns while attacking as it is to have a fortress be downgraded simply because the league no longer holds the beacons that were needed to upgrade it in the first place.

what STEWART means is 

you need 200 k food to upgrade the dragon lost art to lvl 20 (giving you an off bonus)

now imagine if every time you want to attack someone with your new lvl 20 dragons you must have 200 k food in your barns (since that was required to upgrade then it must remain required to give the bonus)

so it is the same logic you needed beacons for lvl 20 fortress (needed 200k food for lvl 20 dragon)

now to keep the fortress at 20 you must keep beacons ( to keep the lvl 20 dragon you must keep 200k food in your barn)

EXXE, Dont bother m8, It was understood perfectly well. The problem here is the ego that cant stand to be beat.

no it is not the same logic ... but I will not bother 

brunsonthomas said:

Jezebel said:

There was still no answer to my question before as to why we are required to hold a beacon to upgrade certain levels but  league that has a level 20 fortress is not required to hold a beacon to maintain the level.

The reason is simple. There is no Level 21 Fortress. So once the requirements are met and the level is attained there is no longer a reason to worry about the requirements until it is succesfully downgraded.

Um isn't a lvl20 fort (congrats on that ftw emps) a safe zone and can't be downgraded? Heck don't even have to defend.

brunsonthomas said:

Jezebel said:

There was still no answer to my question before as to why we are required to hold a beacon to upgrade certain levels but  league that has a level 20 fortress is not required to hold a beacon to maintain the level.

The reason is simple. There is no Level 21 Fortress. So once the requirements are met and the level is attained there is no longer a reason to worry about the requirements until it is succesfully downgraded.

Um isn't a lvl20 fort (congrats on that ftw emps) a safe zone and can't be downgraded? Heck don't even have to defend.

Series oh sly... And the highest risks are for those trying to jump from 5 to 8 or 0 to 5

EXXE, Dont bother m8, It was understood perfectly well. The problem here is the ego that cant stand to be beat.

And being out-though out-planed and out-played in the use of the fortress and capture flag tourneys can not be accepted without complaining in the forums.

You were complaining about having a lvl20 fort while not holding beacons anymore and about the flag tourney.

And now you change the story.  If thats what yous have to do then carry on.

Stewart_KT1 said:

You were complaining about having a lvl20 fort while not holding beacons anymore and about the flag tourney.

And now you change the story.  If thats what yous have to do then carry on.

I wasn't complaining I was asking the simple logical question why a league is not required to maintain the requirements needed to obtain the level they did

Jezebel said:

Stewart_KT1 said:

You were complaining about having a lvl20 fort while not holding beacons anymore and about the flag tourney.

And now you change the story.  If thats what yous have to do then carry on.

I wasn't complaining I was asking the simple logical question why a league is not required to maintain the requirements needed to obtain the level they did

By your logic, wouldn't a league have to lose the influence points and league bonuses for achieving when you no longer hold the number of beacons you are required to get there in the first place?      Do we give back our homes when we retire and no longer have the income to qualify for the original loan even though the house is paid for?      As I see it, once you've earned it, it's yours.

And I am NOT siding with Emps on this.

Notice they've dropped their alliance with KT3 and now raid our fortress.  They claimed it was because KT3 was to cowardly to fight Destiny along side them.  A laugh since we did do that, alone, for a couple of weeks 6 months ago (no help from Emps).  KT3 stands up for KT3 but doesn't fight other peoples aggressive wars that we aren't consulted about, agreed to and additionally find useless and counterproductive.

EMPs bullies us all impartially. LOL         In the case of KT3 for refusing their war.  As allies they suck "do our bidding or else".

Jezebel said:

I wasn't complaining I was asking the simple logical question why a league is not required to maintain the requirements needed to obtain the level they did

They are required only once, because A League puts a lot of efforts to upgrade the Fortress and the Discoveries. But the Fortress can be downgraded anytime. We give players an opportunity to get what they've earned back without the additional requirements. 

Consider it a one-time requirement. 

Logic dictates that lvl 20 fort will never be downgraded. Even more so if part of their strategy is to avoid beacons. The same applies to lvl19 forts etc down to other levels as well. Due to themax troops than can be sent and the need to downgrade a higher lvl fort before you can upgrade.

GoGo Knightmare said:

Logic dictates that lvl 20 fort will never be downgraded. Even more so if part of their strategy is to avoid beacons. The same applies to lvl19 forts etc down to other levels as well. Due to themax troops than can be sent and the need to downgrade a higher lvl fort before you can upgrade.

Higher level forts require Beacon downgrades

Maybe someone could give us more info on this aspect? ... then we can get this doc updated beyond level 11

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R9AuARBfHyY6aHmjZQ3vQ_S_Jd0VqdbmMdAyS9zTH3o/edit#gid=319402384

The IR II fortress has long been upgraded to level 19. Remember the UE have to downgrade a fort to every time they upgraded. So when they announced that there is a level 20 fort in the realm. the was a level 18 fort in the realm. The fort is very old. You just didn't notice. 

Can someone update these picture with cost of sapphires plus cost of upgrade( boosting) 

OR alternatively can someone tell me how much is 8K or 1K ect glory points, and I will calculate and make another table with cost of glory in sapphires plus cost of upgrade in sapphires

oracle said:

The IR II fortress has long been upgraded to level 19. Remember the UE have to downgrade a fort to every time they upgraded. So when they announced that there is a level 20 fort in the realm. the was a level 18 fort in the realm. The fort is very old. You just didn't notice. 

Can someone update these picture with cost of sapphires plus cost of upgrade( boosting) 

OR alternatively can someone tell me how much is 8K or 1K ect glory points, and I will calculate and make another table with cost of glory in sapphires plus cost of upgrade in sapphires

we knew about it long before it was a level 19 maybe what you failed to notice was Emps and IR II upgraded their fortresses at the same time

IF you look at those requirement to upgrade to level 20 you need to downgrade a level 19. So when UE upgraded to level 20 they downgraded IR II  fortress from 19 to 18. 

So the fortress were upgraded in the ''same time''. Sorry about the engross. If you don't mind i will write it backwards next time, i find people understand me better that way.

Does anyone know how much 1K glory, or any ammount, cost in sapphires. 

This info was already on the google doc

I thought beacon downgrades were needed, maybe only on other games or servers

HYPOTHETICAL COSTS