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Aug 8, 2020, 10:1708/08/20
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Some Popular Horrible ideas and Advices

What are some terrible ideas that are passed down ingame as credible advice?


N.B The point of this post is not for everyone to gang up on me. But to show how certain popular advices are actually bad. So before you flame the post and try to gang up on me, or comment about something that doesn't answer the question I posted, please try to understand that my intention was not to go on debated with you.

Have fun. And I hope to read of some of the advice you heard, and how they are terrible ideas. 

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Aug 8, 2020, 10:5408/08/20
Aug 8, 2020, 10:58(edited)
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I just saw a screenshot of a  level 7 Shamam with 155% boosts. to stats. Its obvious that the owner got the Shaman to play whack-a-mole in Hamlets. 

One of the most popular, incredibly wrong ideas in the game is that Hamlets are good only to be attacked. This is a very popular idea in the DarkPlains. 

But its a terrible, terrible idea. And it's wrong. 

I get that this a war game. but let's be honest, attacking a hamlet is a terrible idea. especially on the higher levels like level 100+. 
I know this is a popular idea, and most people have been indoctrinated to believe that attacking a hamlet is a good idea.  
Here are some reasons why attacking a hamlet is a bad idea. 


  • Force offence limit

You can only attack hamlets with a force limit of 250 000. Even with the strongest army, you have no chance. The strongest attack can be with about 100 000 Gargoyles, which offers 1 400 000 000 offence. 



  • Force defence limit

You can initially capture a hamlet with 250 000 force limit. However, you latter reinforce it, without any limit. Additionally, you can call for help in defending your hamlet. In a Diamond tire league, with most players at 100+ level, the amount of players who can contribute defense is anywhere from 10-160. So it's 1 vs 160 when you attack a Hamlet. 



  • Hamlet defense of 20%

If the Hamlet holder has maxed his Eagle nest, he gets 20% boost to his defense. This is the same amount of boost offered by a Fortress. Not only that, but there are more boosts. 





  • Paragon Hamlet defense

At level 15 of Paragon Status, you get 25% boosts when attacking a Hamlet. 




  • The Druid 

A Maxed druid at level 7 can offer 165% defense in Hamlet. That is a terribly high number. 



  • Other boosts. 

There are other boosts applied when defending a hamlet. There fortress boosts, relics, and so on. Defending a hamlet gives you about 20 times more defense boosts than defending a fortress. 


My conclusion


Its far safer, to defend hamlets than attack them. Yes, there are other benefits like the seige mechanism. But given that the siege mechanism is also applied when taking beacons, fort, and a castle, it really doesn't count. in fact, if a Hamlet is defended with the same amount of defense as some corner beacons, then the benefits of holding a Hamlets outweigh those of holding a  beacon. 


N.B The point of this post is not for everyone to gang up on me. But to show how certain popular advices are actually bad. So before you flame the post and try to gang up on me, or comment about something that doesn't answer the question I posted, please try to understand that my intention was not to go on debated with you. 

Have fun. And I hope to read of some of the advice you heard, and how they are terrible ideas. 


Aug 9, 2020, 03:3608/09/20
Aug 9, 2020, 03:53(edited)
07/10/14
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Oh I dunno.....

People insisting on talking about stuff they don't know about. And they generally insist on talking very loudly, almost in inverse proportion to what they actually know.

How much rubbish has been talked about BG's for instance.

I remember the nonsense about "lanes". I am sitting there with 10k+ BG records so I know full well it's complete BS. But didn't stop people banging on about it. And the more people that got on the urban myth bandwagon, the more difficult it is to talk them down off the ledge.

People suggesting food doesn't count (I mean seriously then the uber loading troops like Chimera woudn;t work, so that is obviously stupid).

Plarium CM telling me that top level BG's don't have a different mechanic from the others (pmsl). I only dropped that in the convo to get some credibility so they knew they were talking to someone who knew their stuff and might pay some attention. Turns out they didn't have a clue.

Having to argue with people that eldritch units have a resource value. 

Having someone (you as it happens Orcale) post a banking value table which was so fantastically wrong it wasn't even in the ballpark, then getting REALLY, REALLY annoyed when I told you it was rubbish.

Probably been one of the most frustrating things, trying to blow up the urban myths so people have some chance of working the mechanics out for themselves and aren't swamped with misinformation (without giving the whole game away).

Do you remember the convo's in late 2015, early 2016 about how it was possible to get free troops out of BG's, I remember being shouted down about it (whilst sitting on my accounts of free troops - lol).

So when it comes to bad advice... a lot of what has been said about BG's has been the worst.

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Aug 9, 2020, 18:2408/09/20
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DJ Moody said:

Oh I dunno.....

People insisting on talking about stuff they don't know about. And they generally insist on talking very loudly, almost in inverse proportion to what they actually know.

How much rubbish has been talked about BG's for instance.

I remember the nonsense about "lanes". I am sitting there with 10k+ BG records so I know full well it's complete BS. But didn't stop people banging on about it. And the more people that got on the urban myth bandwagon, the more difficult it is to talk them down off the ledge.

People suggesting food doesn't count (I mean seriously then the uber loading troops like Chimera woudn;t work, so that is obviously stupid).

Plarium CM telling me that top level BG's don't have a different mechanic from the others (pmsl). I only dropped that in the convo to get some credibility so they knew they were talking to someone who knew their stuff and might pay some attention. Turns out they didn't have a clue.

Having to argue with people that eldritch units have a resource value. 

Having someone (you as it happens Orcale) post a banking value table which was so fantastically wrong it wasn't even in the ballpark, then getting REALLY, REALLY annoyed when I told you it was rubbish.

Probably been one of the most frustrating things, trying to blow up the urban myths so people have some chance of working the mechanics out for themselves and aren't swamped with misinformation (without giving the whole game away).

Do you remember the convo's in late 2015, early 2016 about how it was possible to get free troops out of BG's, I remember being shouted down about it (whilst sitting on my accounts of free troops - lol).

So when it comes to bad advice... a lot of what has been said about BG's has been the worst.

Yeah I never understood where people got the whole lanes thing from.  I guess any time there's randomness people will try to see patterns in it whether they actually exist or not.  
Aug 10, 2020, 00:4308/10/20
Aug 10, 2020, 00:44(edited)
01/10/17
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Well as for absolute in game by the game bad advice that I have seen

 You know how your always reading when you first start out defend your castle from attacks with defense.

They forget to say and then name you castle Free PVP.

I'm sorry but that's just not good advice  

When just starting it should say keep your head down 

check for smaller castles for resources at first and spy

 then siege with an archer before to check for spirt wardens and then retrieve the archer

 Before you even think of raiding.

Spend down resources before you leave .

But defend your castle would not be my advice to new players :)

Aug 10, 2020, 11:1508/10/20
07/10/14
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Yeah good advice.

Its not great for your ego but you need to realise when you start this game you are a small fish and need to keep out of trouble while you grow.

Using up your resource quickly and packing your troops away regularly is by far the best way to keep out of trouble. People soon get bored with you if they don't get any resource from raiding you and get nothing but low PvP point spirit wardens killing their troops for little return. 

BiohazarDModerator
Aug 12, 2020, 22:1708/12/20
10/04/13
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Or buy some walls and then get a high level player to defend your castle for pvp points :P
Aug 13, 2020, 00:0708/13/20
02/22/16
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yeah that works also :)


Aug 14, 2020, 16:4108/14/20
10/31/14
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CertainDeath said:


Well as for absolute in game by the game bad advice that I have seen

 You know how your always reading when you first start out defend your castle from attacks with defense.

They forget to say and then name you castle Free PVP.

I'm sorry but that's just not good advice  

When just starting it should say keep your head down 

check for smaller castles for resources at first and spy

 then siege with an archer before to check for spirt wardens and then retrieve the archer

 Before you even think of raiding.

Spend down resources before you leave .

But defend your castle would not be my advice to new players :)

Some terrible advice you will receive as a newbie will be to level up your castle to level 80 as soon as possible. Don't do it. If possible. Do nothing but upgrade your building to level 20 for the whole year. Don't play BG, stay under level 40. and grow your army. 

Once you reach level 80, you must have already unlocked your StoneHeart, have level 10 Paragon and have at least 50 million defense and offense in Beast.  Its easy to level your castle, but do it in the right time.

Another terrible advice will be someone telling you to play the Highest BG as soon as possible. Nothing magical happens at level 210 BG. Once you reach level 80, try to stay below level 130 BG, If you don't want to be competitive in BG, then level 40 is great. 

Aug 15, 2020, 03:2708/15/20
Aug 15, 2020, 03:34(edited)
08/09/15
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Oracle said:


CertainDeath said:



Some terrible advice you will receive as a newbie will be to level up your castle to level 80 as soon as possible. Don't do it. If possible. Do nothing but upgrade your building to level 20 for the whole year. Don't play BG, stay under level 40. and grow your army. 

Once you reach level 80, you must have already unlocked your StoneHeart, have level 10 Paragon and have at least 50 million defense and offense in Beast.  Its easy to level your castle, but do it in the right time.

Another terrible advice will be someone telling you to play the Highest BG as soon as possible. Nothing magical happens at level 210 BG. Once you reach level 80, try to stay below level 130 BG, If you don't want to be competitive in BG, then level 40 is great. 

well nice advise

Aug 15, 2020, 20:2608/15/20
01/10/17
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Oracle said:

Some terrible advice you will receive as a newbie will be to level up your castle to level 80 as soon as possible. Don't do it. If possible. Do nothing but upgrade your building to level 20 for the whole year. Don't play BG, stay under level 40. and grow your army. 

Once you reach level 80, you must have already unlocked your StoneHeart, have level 10 Paragon and have at least 50 million defense and offense in Beast.  Its easy to level your castle, but do it in the right time.


I guess if you want to stagnate for a year that's an option 

 It's not how I would play I would rather be active and grow faster

 But that's a matter of choice. I guess 

Aug 16, 2020, 07:2808/16/20
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CertainDeath said:

I guess if you want to stagnate for a year that's an option 

 It's not how I would play I would rather be active and grow faster

 But that's a matter of choice. I guess 

Given that this is an MMORPG game and not an RPG game, levelling up and gaining a huge amount of experience over a short period of time is not the same as growing and developing your castle. 

In an RPG game, levelling up your avatar and gaining a huge amount of will give a huge advantage. But in this game, gaining experience doesn't give you any significant advantage. 


The only advantage it gives you is that some leagues out there value players that do that. If you are leveling 80, with a battleground ranking of over 400 million, most leagues' top leagues are likely to take you. I don't know why? 

However I will rather have a level 60, with 400 million raid score, and 150 days training que of chimera and Purgators. 
Aug 22, 2020, 18:4508/22/20
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Oracle said:


CertainDeath said:

I guess if you want to stagnate for a year that's an option 

 It's not how I would play I would rather be active and grow faster

 But that's a matter of choice. I guess 

Given that this is an MMORPG game and not an RPG game, levelling up and gaining a huge amount of experience over a short period of time is not the same as growing and developing your castle. 

In an RPG game, levelling up your avatar and gaining a huge amount of will give a huge advantage. But in this game, gaining experience doesn't give you any significant advantage. 


The only advantage it gives you is that some leagues out there value players that do that. If you are leveling 80, with a battleground ranking of over 400 million, most leagues' top leagues are likely to take you. I don't know why? 

However I will rather have a level 60, with 400 million raid score, and 150 days training que of chimera and Purgators. 

my griffins are rank 17 !  29% more defense ! iv got so many, 

my undead dragon rank 14 ! 20% more ! iv got so many too,just by being in a top league which receives these in brawls !

ah and top leagues dnt value levels ! they value pvp and raid stats ! 

u have 400 mil army u dnt use ,i dnt think even my training league would take it !



BiohazarDModerator
Aug 23, 2020, 08:0308/23/20
10/04/13
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Oracle said:

CertainDeath said:


Well as for absolute in game by the game bad advice that I have seen

 You know how your always reading when you first start out defend your castle from attacks with defense.

They forget to say and then name you castle Free PVP.

I'm sorry but that's just not good advice  

When just starting it should say keep your head down 

check for smaller castles for resources at first and spy

 then siege with an archer before to check for spirt wardens and then retrieve the archer

 Before you even think of raiding.

Spend down resources before you leave .

But defend your castle would not be my advice to new players :)

Some terrible advice you will receive as a newbie will be to level up your castle to level 80 as soon as possible. Don't do it. If possible. Do nothing but upgrade your building to level 20 for the whole year. Don't play BG, stay under level 40. and grow your army. 

Once you reach level 80, you must have already unlocked your StoneHeart, have level 10 Paragon and have at least 50 million defense and offense in Beast.  Its easy to level your castle, but do it in the right time.

Another terrible advice will be someone telling you to play the Highest BG as soon as possible. Nothing magical happens at level 210 BG. Once you reach level 80, try to stay below level 130 BG, If you don't want to be competitive in BG, then level 40 is great. 

I'd say you want to get your bgs at least into the 60s, because at level 61 is where you start getting the class 4 hero equipment which boosts the power of your bestiary units.  Without this you're giving up a large potential bonus for your units (up to 70% on fully upgraded purple gear, but easily 20-30% for low level gear).  
Aug 23, 2020, 17:4508/23/20
Aug 23, 2020, 17:47(edited)
08/09/15
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BiohazarD said:


Oracle said:


CertainDeath said:


Well as for absolute in game by the game bad advice that I have seen

 You know how your always reading when you first start out defend your castle from attacks with defense.

They forget to say and then name you castle Free PVP.

I'm sorry but that's just not good advice  

When just starting it should say keep your head down 

check for smaller castles for resources at first and spy

 then siege with an archer before to check for spirt wardens and then retrieve the archer

 Before you even think of raiding.

Spend down resources before you leave .

But defend your castle would not be my advice to new players :)

 
I'd say you want to get your bgs at least into the 60s, because at level 61 is where you start getting the class 4 hero equipment which boosts the power of your bestiary units.  Without this you're giving up a large potential bonus for your units (up to 70% on fully upgraded purple gear, but easily 20-30% for low level gear).  

its not just this or unit ranks..i could think of many more reasons.im sure so would u too

talking about horrible ideas,

and yet providing a personal viewpoint towards game as a strategy.. not saying its wrong or bad

Aug 23, 2020, 17:5608/23/20
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BiohazarD said:

I'd say you want to get your bgs at least into the 60s, because at level 61 is where you start getting the class 4 hero equipment which boosts the power of your bestiary units.  Without this you're giving up a large potential bonus for your units (up to 70% on fully upgraded purple gear, but easily 20-30% for low level gear).  

You have far better chance of getting your needed hero equipment at chests, especially if you are lower level. The brawl and the Tower provide many opportunities for chests, you just need to open them at the right time. You really don't need BG's early on. But one day you will need to impress your league leadership for that promotion, that is when leveling your BG to lower 130 helps. 

And another thing you undermined is the number of sapphires you can win at tournaments by staying low level. Just gaining 60 points earn you 600-1200 sapphires in some tournaments. You can use those to buy hero equipment, and other accessories, like paragon activators. 

Aug 23, 2020, 18:0008/23/20
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fURY said:



my griffins are rank 17 !  29% more defense ! iv got so many, 

my undead dragon rank 14 ! 20% more ! iv got so many too,just by being in a top league which receives these in brawls !

ah and top leagues dnt value levels ! they value pvp and raid stats ! 

u have 400 mil army u dnt use ,i dnt think even my training league would take it !



Top leagues value the ability to recycle an army quiclkly, like spending. Especially in server one. The more you can spend, the more you can PvP. 

I know many players with huge raids scores, and they are not playing in top leagues. Why?


BiohazarDModerator
Aug 24, 2020, 15:2908/24/20
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Oracle said:

BiohazarD said:

I'd say you want to get your bgs at least into the 60s, because at level 61 is where you start getting the class 4 hero equipment which boosts the power of your bestiary units.  Without this you're giving up a large potential bonus for your units (up to 70% on fully upgraded purple gear, but easily 20-30% for low level gear).  

You have far better chance of getting your needed hero equipment at chests, especially if you are lower level. The brawl and the Tower provide many opportunities for chests, you just need to open them at the right time. You really don't need BG's early on. But one day you will need to impress your league leadership for that promotion, that is when leveling your BG to lower 130 helps. 

And another thing you undermined is the number of sapphires you can win at tournaments by staying low level. Just gaining 60 points earn you 600-1200 sapphires in some tournaments. You can use those to buy hero equipment, and other accessories, like paragon activators. 

There's a fairly low limit to the number of chests you're allowed to buy though.  You can only ever buy a total of 3 class 4 purple chests (and 3 blues) with sapphires.  If you don't get what you wanted from those, the only other options are to buy packages with real $ that give chests or level up your bgs.  
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Aug 24, 2020, 15:3208/24/20
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Oracle said:

fURY said:



my griffins are rank 17 !  29% more defense ! iv got so many, 

my undead dragon rank 14 ! 20% more ! iv got so many too,just by being in a top league which receives these in brawls !

ah and top leagues dnt value levels ! they value pvp and raid stats ! 

u have 400 mil army u dnt use ,i dnt think even my training league would take it !



Top leagues value the ability to recycle an army quiclkly, like spending. Especially in server one. The more you can spend, the more you can PvP. 

I know many players with huge raids scores, and they are not playing in top leagues. Why?


If you have your resource production buildings fully leveled (as many players in top leagues do for the % off/def bonuses) resources aren't the limiting factor for troop builds, queue time is.  So they have no real reason to need to raid for more resources.  
Aug 24, 2020, 20:5108/24/20
Aug 24, 2020, 21:07(edited)
08/09/15
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Oracle said:


fURY said:



my griffins are rank 17 !  29% more defense ! iv got so many, 

my undead dragon rank 14 ! 20% more ! iv got so many too,just by being in a top league which receives these in brawls !

ah and top leagues dnt value levels ! they value pvp and raid stats ! 

u have 400 mil army u dnt use ,i dnt think even my training league would take it !



Top leagues value the ability to recycle an army quiclkly, like spending. Especially in server one. The more you can spend, the more you can PvP. 

I know many players with huge raids scores, and they are not playing in top leagues. Why?


im trying my best to explain ...

u got good answers up there.each time u asnwer with another question leading somewhere else.then all leading to coining or game having fewer players or coming to an end .i dnt understand why that is

top leagues value that ?

so if u had a league ,wouldnt like a player who spends alot in ur league too ? 

this oracle ,everyone wants,a good spender to have in league !

ur original idea was a horrible one itself ! if ur giving it for every one ! it could be great,for some of course as its kind of ur way of playing the game.a personal strategy ! according to ur original post

Aug 24, 2020, 23:5508/24/20
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One of you server one guys needs to ask Oracle to join your league. Problem solved. He can share his wisdom in league chat.