BG SLAYER said:

Snowgoon, Yellowing BG allows the player to fill their bank up 1st without killing any thus not having to put back anymore extra tax, once they know their bank is full and the tax is paid they then kill those yellowed bg to get their payouts, most times the payout will happen within the 1st 3 yellowed bg killed, everything after that is a bonus depending on whats left in your bg bank after the payout

Lady BG SLAYER, my doubt appears when i still dont know if you dont kill the bg in the shot all your troops go to the bank or only some of them.

i have read here in the forum that not finishing a bg means that only a supposed 70% of resources killed go to bank meanwhile the rest 30% does not enter on bank till you finish the bg.

with this unclarify system that appeared on last bg upgrade, my question is ...does yellowing bgs take more time to fill your bank than finishing bgs in one shot ??

MISTICO said:

hello bg slayer I did this method and I took half a rebound on the first yellowed bg, then I took the maximum reward on the second. now I have to return only the maximum or even half reward before the next?

i think you have to return only the big payout u took on the second, but not sure at all

the first as you said is a partial payout and i think only the big is what you have to return.

Regards

1st, Mystico, you need to only bank back in resource value the big win and tax at 12.5%, now if you don't like to keep track of  your banking resource system with lesser quality troops via a spreadsheet calculator then you need to use this process which I use sucessfully also

You put in troops to yellow bg, never kill them because for every bg you kill it puts 12.5% tax more on that payer, thats why i still say to yellow so your not paying in excess more troops than you should be

now when you think your bank is full you kill a small level bg between the levels of 30-50 because the 12.5% tax on these levels is very minimal, the range of 35-38 will give a few hundred troops on a full payer, 39-50 will give over 1k in troops up to 2k in troops on a full payer, it takes a lot of  years of experience to learn this to see what is a full payer and what is not as most players can be tricked into thinking a 3/4 payer is a full then they try for the payout that never happens costing them thousands more troops and I normally teach players through screenshotting and chat in private message to learn this method 

It is far easier to use a spreadsheet to keep track of the troops you put into bg in the form of resources till your bank is full from the last payout with tax included

Juglar, the yellowing system works perfect as i do use a bg calculator also to keep track of resources going in, when the calculator shows I have filled my bg bank rss including the tax bg always pays out to me in the 1st 3 bg I kill for a payer so I don't think that 70% part your talking about happens and is most likely a miss calculation of the tax that needs to be banked in also from the last big payout 

See not every bg will payout big, you have to learn which type of balur troop setups are the payers and which are not, many players I've seen get poor payers because they hit and kill what we seasoned bg players call a banking bg, this type of bg has 3 balur types of troops in large amounts and 1 type in a small amount, the worst type also to try to get a full payer from is a bg where you see the occult and beast in almost the same amounts and the calvry and infantry in very small amounts for balur troops

your typical easy to pick payers will have the a very large amount of 1 balur troop type and the rest of the balur troops will be in much smaller numbers

there is more to bg than just banking and taking payouts, you need to learn how to read the bg types, what they give and understand that if you havn't put enough food in your bank for resource you will not strike a massive dragon payout, it will give wyverns instead from a beast payer, it works the same way with the occult payers too

Juglar, the yellowing system works perfect as i do use a bg calculator also to keep track of resources going in, when the calculator shows I have filled my bg bank rss including the tax bg always pays out to me in the 1st 3 bg I kill for a payer so I don't think that 70% part your talking about happens and is most likely a miss calculation of the tax that needs to be banked in also from the last big payout 

See not every bg will payout big, you have to learn which type of balur troop setups are the payers and which are not, many players I've seen get poor payers because they hit and kill what we seasoned bg players call a banking bg, this type of bg has 3 balur types of troops in large amounts and 1 type in a small amount, the worst type also to try to get a full payer from is a bg where you see the occult and beast in almost the same amounts and the calvry and infantry in very small amounts for balur troops

your typical easy to pick payers will have the a very large amount of 1 balur troop type and the rest of the balur troops will be in much smaller numbers

there is more to bg than just banking and taking payouts, you need to learn how to read the bg types, what they give and understand that if you havn't put enough food in your bank for resource you will not strike a massive dragon payout, it will give wyverns instead from a beast payer, it works the same way with the occult payers too

Sir Dan Saul Knight said:

BG SLAYER said:

I don't think that 70% part your talking about happens and is most likely a miss calculation of the tax that needs to be banked in also from the last big payout 

It has been stated directly by Plarium. If you want to hunt down two year old posts you will find it here in the forums somewhere (it's caused a lot of consternation at the time though as people were not happy**). Alternatively you could also ask Bio because from memory he tested it and can probably tell you what proportion of the bank is only released only on kill.

You mentioned earlier in the thread killing successive yellow bars to get payouts. Logically if you were not appropriately banked for the first kill then the further yellow bar kills would also not result in a payout. So it's the releasing of the withheld bank which is causing the further yellow bars to payout when the first didn't?

I can't do BG's anymore are BG tricking like most of my league. So I can't test any of this myself. It's possible they changed things again (but very unlikely... see below).

** it was part of their reaction to the first BG trick. They introduced 10% guaranteed payouts and half payouts etc in reaction to people's moans about losing all their troops in BG's. The upshot was that you could yellow bar every BG you had, get your res back in payouts from other BG's as you did it and then when you got your final big payout to clear your bank, kill all the yellow bars for a massive profit (done right its was 500m+ resource profit, going on for 100m free troop power). So they did the withholding thing to prevent the first iteration of BG tricking.

(I expect by now everyone knows who I am ... and my cover is blown lol)

It is possible to "re-trick" and its also possible to do bg again - I have done it - it just takes time

I personally would not "re-trick" again as the bg levels are far too high now - I have reverted back to doing yellow bar method on bg level 100 or lower

I do not send my rewards back in, I build res heavy troops and work at repaying my bank - it works I have done it several times 

I am patient enough to do it that way, others send all of their rewards back in for the sake of playing BG, some choose not to bother as repaying the bank seem cumbersome and impossible ....

You can no longer dictate which bg will pay out your reward like we used to do, now you have to yellow several bg's of the same level and if the first doesn't pay out move to the next until you do get your payout - i reload the rewards i receive if the payout doesn't happen, others just continue to clear until they get paid - either way you can get your payouts with the yellow method

just sayin :)

Sir Dan Saul Knight said:

(I expect by now everyone knows who I am ... and my cover is blown lol)

mmm...have i give you my re-welcoming againto forum,  my lord ?? ;)

lets talk about tricks and tips

Sir Dan Saul Knight said:

Not saying you can't get the payouts with the yellow method.

I am saying that it's the withheld bank being released which means a yellow will payout when the first yellow won't.

I am not totally discounting the randomness to BG's. I just think that it's more likely the withheld that is in action here.

If you think about it, unless you leave yellows and let them build up you (which I assume isn't happening) you could actually track resource quite accurately and not notice the withholding.

I took such a massive profit under the first method (I really really rinsed it, all top levels and even the +10 item) that I doubt even going up to lvl 200 (or whatever it is now) on the new trick wouldn't cover the negative bank I am in atm.

It is a shame. There is so much new BG content (armours, tourns, mareth quests etc etc) that it would give me something to do to run BG's again. I would love to OCD on maxing armour for instance. I have even considered starting an alt just to do it.

PS I don't raid now, can't be bothered with such a huge amount of castle res production now. So re-tricking to open up the benefit of loading resource heavey troops would be of value. Has occurred to me.

Well if you ever do repay your bank or play BG from another castle, keeping the BG in manageable levels is good it means smaller payouts but repaying the bank is easier so it means more rewards from BG tourneys and just being able to play another aspect of the game that you haven't been able to play for a long time

The way I see it 3 or 4 smaller payouts can equal one big payout and you get to play BG more often and help your league if there are tourneys to make good rewards from

I don't need instant gratification, I have been playing the long game since the begining

PS on exploring whether it's the randomness.....

My theory crafting on the mechanic was that there were two random rolls. The decision whether to payout and the size of the payout. 

Now the size of the payout was definitely around + - 15% under the old mechanics (2yrs+ ago prior to guaranteed payouts etc change). So I always assumed the payout decision was also + - 15% also.

If you look at people's payout screenshots the max payout has now increased to neatly +30%. Because people are so overbanked these days, nearly all the payout posts are at that level.

If I was right about the two rolls - then it's possible the payout chance also got a + or - 30%. That might explain why it seems difficult to drive payouts now (because it's twice as random).

Just to be clear, what I thought was happening on the payout roll was it would roll + or - 15%, adjust the base banking value of the BG by that and then compare that result with your bank - if you were above you got paid.

the 70% is not there for over 1 year now, I know this because thats how long Ive had the spreadsheet for to  track my bank , a friend gave me a spreadsheet which calculates the rss needed to go in in the form of troops from my big win with tax included at 12.5% and its accurate, every time I have filled my bank using this spreadsheet I then test bank by killing a low level bg just to make sure then go for my payout, I always yellow my bg right down so it only takes 10 occult units to kill them

the 70% is not there for over 1 year now