BiohazarD said:

That's an interesting strategy, thanks for sharing.  

Totally Agree...maybe i should to begin my studies again :p

BG SLAYER said:

Hi Lord Aegon, the resource amounts does matter of your wanting specific troop type payouts, if your hunting for dragons not wyverns, yes you need troops that are very food and iron heavy to get them, its how to be able to accuratly know what troops you want to win from bg, but yes sending offense into defense bg will cause more split payouts to happen, i also know this from testing it thourougly, also the tax on each win was increased from the original 7% mentioned in that thread, be aware of that we have calculated it on server 1 to be at 12.5% now and yes that method described in the thread works perfectly except you cannot predict which type of beast or occult troops  you will get from a full payout if you don't keep track of your different rss types going in to fill bank up

My dragon vs wyvern payout is about the same even though I always cook and send the same troops.   If there is any affect from any resource difference, it would have to come from the quest rewards and BG payouts that I don't cook but still send.  Most of those are mountain dwarves.

My experience seems to be different from yours, for whatever reason.   I get very little offense from a defensive battleground, even if I only send offense to it.

I will keep my BGs less than BG100 here on Plarium, though.   In Facebook, I seemed to get the best results in BG60-90.   This leads me to believe that BG efficiency (resources in vs resource out) slowly increases as the BG levels rise to this range, and decrease quickly as the BG levels continue into the higher levels.  I don't see the point in going above BG100.

I still use zero loss on a couple of servers (up to around lvl 20) and dont hit higher than lvl 40 for payouts
Mainly use zero loss for tournaments and normal hits between tourneys so I continue to build and save cannon fodder every day

I hit much higher on the pirate game because their bg are much more predictable - they dont use marennon etc, but are otherwise identical

I only use archers and pikes to fill the bank (sending both to red bg), and always get dragons or wyverns

One thing I spotted was that I occasionally get decent payouts from zero-loss which tells me my bank is full

Simple zero loss technique is to send just one of every different unit type (offense+defense, send legendary, eldrich, imperial, darkened and normal - over 100 units) The new Werewolf Champion helps here

Your total strength must be over 2.5x bg strength ... but the exact bg strength at red bg  is difficult to calculate because we are sending inf, cv, occult and bestiary and the bestiary is over 50% of our total strength ... which means high population of marennon is dangerous (add extra infantry)

75k total offense can kill 30k balur defense with zero loss from your single units - divide by 2.5
100k can kill 40k etc and adding extra inf+cav allows much higher levels

p.s. Dont worry about hero equipment - the new League Tower Champion event gives many League Chests and contains decent hero stuff drops frequently ... not that we can upgrade it without mooncoins lol

I have only been doing my lowest 5 BG for the mar'eth quests lately - i suppose my bank is repaid from my last payout i have been gaining on these levels 

There are many good pointers here from everyone, AEGON for the tax % in bg it is still 12.5% in the low end bg, its just not that noticable because the amount of troops you win from them is so small compared to once you get over level 100, on a full bank a level 102 will pay just over 22,000 griffins or just over 6000 dragons

DJ MOODY AEGON AND JUGLAR DEL V, the rss specifics in bg is real, i test everything thoroughly in the low end of bg so i do not lose, then i go up to around level 90-105 and take a big win from that area that i want to keep so it does not take so long to pay back to bank in those lesser quality troops, yes I have been able to successfully predict getting dragons or wyverns, necro or warlocks in payouts just by the types of troops i use to bank in, I try to take more wyvern nowdays as im working on a little project of my own with an offense army specific that is showing very promising results for me of packing more of a punch in level 5 beacons with using less troops than the traditional dragon / necro army that everyone wants :)

SNOWGOON that is another bg technique that works perfectly too, I've seen friends do this 1 you have mentioned here but I have never tried it myself, I try to play in the area of 61-75 level bg on a full bank when I just want to relax and have some bg playing time fun for the simple reason is the class IV hero equipment doesn't drop until level 61 bg or higher and I'm still hunting a few in mythical to complete my hero equipment set 

1 last thing, the reason I've seen many non coiners and low end coiners stop playing is simply because of the word bg, players have lost their total armies in bg for only half the return or less simply because they tried the old method of just smashing bg for the payout that never happened and did not know where to get help to learn how bg work now, if you all know players who are struggling with bg, have next to no troops to enjoy the game with, invite them to this thread, there is much to be learned here and there is no reason why players cannot enjoy bg again and come out with a decent win

One further comment - BG will always be resources in - resources out so if you get a small payout where you are expecting a big one simply reload the small payout back in and clear the next one (that is with the yellowing method not the smash and dash method)

just a tip otherwise peeps get frustrated & I have also found that it may take a few tries to actually get the reward you expect which would mean reloading a few small rewards in order to get your larger one 

don't forget the tax!!

play within your means - if you don't have a large army to risk just play lower levels if your troops get "stuck" stop and build or try to clear a lower level to pull some troops out

The main reason I mentioned zero-loss was because it might help with the new bg Trials in Stonehenge Loft Conversion 

This new feature needs new scrolls

We will get one per day, plus one extra from the new bg, and we can only send the new units which may be too valuable to sacrifice .. so keep the bg level low and send one Drake, or one of each unit
The new units will have identical offense and defense and will have magical abilities (like invisibility)

https://prnt.sc/ki5ty2

Obviously, the coiners will be hitting level 100 bg within a week and using the shiny Instant button for all upgrades

Being attacked by a million invisible drakes will be fun

Snowgoon said:

The main reason I mentioned zero-loss was because it might help with the new bg Trials in Stonehenge Loft Conversion 

This new feature needs new scrolls

We will get one per day, plus one extra from the new bg, and we can only send the new units which may be too valuable to sacrifice .. so keep the bg level low and send one Drake, or one of each unit
The new units will have identical offense and defense and will have magical abilities (like invisibility)

https://prnt.sc/ki5ty2

Obviously, the coiners will be hitting level 100 bg within a week and using the shiny Instant button for all upgrades

Being attacked by a million invisible drakes will be fun

That would suck, especially if by some really bad stroke of luck, your offense returned from a BG hit and got smashed out of nowhere right before you hit the send button on the next BG.  During league wars on FB, I sometimes used weor's protection on days I played BGs...just in case.

Since the raid enhancements and precision relocates were introduced, I just assume I won't see incoming anyway.   Anything large enough to hurt is likely hitting within a few seconds or so of their launch.

I suppose invisibility will reduce the need for speed enhancements and relocates, freeing up more money for troops.   /sigh

BG SLAYER said:

Ive found the arbelester and bear riders are excellent for this as they cost more in food than gold and iron, they don't take to long to build either, pathfinders and huntress are also good too, reavers are the best bankers in the calvery section, if you want to bank occult, demons are the best and chimera are the best in the beast section

Hello My Lords and Ladys

this is the table i used for troops on battlegrounds resources per day (greened ones)

they are the best to load the bgs and its set how many troops can you do in one day (constr. at obelix maxed and no bonus with dragon). btw its in spanish some words so u can ask me if you dont understand anything. ;)

hope you can find it useful as i dont construct so much anymore

as lady Jezebel said i now only do the 5 mareth quest kill battlegrounds

Regards

BG SLAYER said:

1 last thing, the reason I've seen many non coiners and low end coiners stop playing is simply because of the word bg, players have lost their total armies in bg for only half the return or less simply because they tried the old method of just smashing bg for the payout that never happened and did not know where to get help to learn how bg work now, if you all know players who are struggling with bg, have next to no troops to enjoy the game with, invite them to this thread, there is much to be learned here and there is no reason why players cannot enjoy bg again and come out with a decent win

For example, me

l usually trace my bg bank and only go to the battleground my sheet says could be ready or one or 2 levels below that it says. last time once payback the last payout and with the bank full enough it cost to me spend 12 millions of resources more than thougth to get the payout, as i said in the second or third answer of this post

so it made me spend a lot of army and this happens more and more. so now its time to do only 5 very low levels when mareth asks for them. ;)

okay so i did a small round of bg starting at level 75 and worked down I only had about 8 bg's of varying levels in that range

they are not broken this is the reward I received from a level 61 http://prntscr.com/kj5d6a

I did not reload the small rewards i received from the two i cleared before this one as they were beast rewards 

nope not broken I did not expect that much i hadn't loaded much in http://prntscr.com/kj6075

Joan, that is a full payout for its level and a very nice 1 

Joan, that is a full payout for its level and a very nice 1 

Jezebel, your bank is 3/4 full, its almost there to giving you a full payout, on a 61 so you need to bank in more scrap troops yet, the griffin count should have been closer to 2500 and the dragons at almost 1k  on a split full payout from that level, the next 1 you kill, try killing an offense bg, your bank looks iron heavy because the dragons in rss value are virtually the same total amount as the griffins rss won in there 

Both Joan and Jezebel got thier big payouts from yellowed bgs (check the BG Ranking figures)

Both Joan and Jezebel got thier big payouts from yellowed bgs (check the BG Ranking figures)

Wonder if this may be important or just coincidence

hello bg slayer

I did this method and I took half a rebound on the first yellowed bg, then I took the maximum reward on the second.

now I have to return only the maximum or even half reward before the next?