Yes I was made VIP about 6 months into the game, right around time I became Marshal of an established league. I figure it was just good luck, it wasn't soemthing I was planning on or looking for; I was just enjoying the game and one day I was invited to it and I accepted, why not? I get expedited service when it comes to bugs/issues, and guess what I use it to help those who are having problems! The challenges.. unfortunately I haven't been able to match those milestones they set... but then again I weight the reward against the risk and more often than not the risk is very high and not worth the reward, and VIPS are not only competing in the regualr challenges we are competing against other VIPS for those little rewards, and much of the competition is a lot stiffer than the regualr tournies. ....

oh and the packages they offer... much more expensive than those not offered to VIP, and not as beneficial. Sometimes, once in a great while we are asked our opinions on game features or to try a new troop. IMO this doesn't ruin game balance as there will always be someone stronger, more predatory with a bigger army no matter if I am VIP or not.

So, when I see a post basically cutting those that have VIP status or player who are using some of THEIR money to enhance their enjoyment of THEIR game it kinda irks me. This game isn't a game of all for one and for all.. how dare anybody slam another for spending their money on what they want? IF the game were completely "balanced" we would all be the same level and advance at the same time and we would lose the challenge of trying to outdo the next guy.

Do you complain and cry to the government because you didn't win the lottery but your neighbor did?

fionajune said:

I did not earn VIP by weilding a credit card

, $$. Speaking of coin, in fact its those of us who spend some coin who pay for the game to keep going for you people 

want to find me to teach me to mind my manners? -70/41. Srvr 2, untamed lands see ya soon

Fiona, you are a rookie making rookie statements. 

sometimes, when you are the rookie in a room full of vets and you hear the vets complaining... its better to sit back and listen rather than show everyone that you are rookie. 

 checked your coords..... Thought you said you were Marshal?  oh... you mean you WERE a marshal. I remember  you know. you marshaled integrity for a few days. 

I might be a "rookie" big whoop, boy you hurt my feelings, maybe its good idea for some of you old dogs to listen to "rookies" you know you guys get stuck in your ways, and think you know everything about everything

Yes I was marshal for about 6 months before I decided hmm that being marshal meant I was limited in what I could do. Its an overrated thankless job. I made a move to a better fit for me. Tell you the truth don't miss it, and don't envy anyone who is a marshal. some are comfortable being in charge, putting out fires, dealing with diplomacy, more power to them. No skin of my hide. I can raid top my hearts content and as long as I don't overstep my bounds I have no chains. While I was marshal Integrity did pretty good, climbed in rank had quite a bit of influence, but hey this isn't a discussion on my tenure is it? 

Its a discussion about the VIP program and how some are in and some are not and how that twists some people's underpinnings snd just like you I have an opinion. Might not be in line or popular but I never claimed to be a conformist. 

fionajune said:

I might be a "rookie" big whoop, boy you hurt my feelings, maybe its good idea for some of you old dogs to listen to "rookies" you know you guys get stuck in your ways, and think you know everything about everything

Yes I was marshal for about 6 months before I decided hmm that being marshal meant I was limited in what I could do. Its an overrated thankless job. I made a move to a better fit for me. Tell you the truth don't miss it, and don't envy anyone who is a marshal. some are comfortable being in charge, putting out fires, dealing with diplomacy, more power to them. No skin of my hide. I can raid top my hearts content and as long as I don't overstep my bounds I have no chains. While I was marshal Integrity did pretty good, climbed in rank had quite a bit of influence, but hey this isn't a discussion on my tenure is it? 

Its a discussion about the VIP program and how some are in and some are not and how that twists some people's underpinnings snd just like you I have an opinion. Might not be in line or popular but I never claimed to be a conformist. 

right... and you  are bragging about your "hard work" that got you into the VIP program.  I dont see any kind of record anything near what some of the veterans can show.  so i wonder, why you feel the need to chime in.  unless you have something to add to the conversation. 

do you have info on the requirements?

can you confirm the requirements to join the VIP?

what specific tasks should one focus on to earn the VIP status?

other than your credit card, what do you think is our most valuable asset to plarium?

Paul Gladkiy said:

IronApex Turok said:

and again, how do i get this benefit of this program?

Hi, all!
Each player has a chance to join the VIP program, if he's active in the game, has a high experience and influence in the communities. These are the main but not the only criteria.

Ya right ....Like we are all idouts :)

I am an high player ...I am max BG...I Do pvp...and no VIP.

And I have friends that Coin much...lower score ...and they are VIP.

fionajune said:

Yes I was made VIP about 6 months into the game, right around time I became Marshal of an established league. I figure it was just good luck, it wasn't soemthing I was planning on or looking for; I was just enjoying the game and one day I was invited to it and I accepted, why not? I get expedited service when it comes to bugs/issues, and guess what I use it to help those who are having problems! The challenges.. unfortunately I haven't been able to match those milestones they set... but then again I weight the reward against the risk and more often than not the risk is very high and not worth the reward, and VIPS are not only competing in the regualr challenges we are competing against other VIPS for those little rewards, and much of the competition is a lot stiffer than the regualr tournies. ....

oh and the packages they offer... much more expensive than those not offered to VIP, and not as beneficial. Sometimes, once in a great while we are asked our opinions on game features or to try a new troop. IMO this doesn't ruin game balance as there will always be someone stronger, more predatory with a bigger army no matter if I am VIP or not.

So, when I see a post basically cutting those that have VIP status or player who are using some of THEIR money to enhance their enjoyment of THEIR game it kinda irks me. This game isn't a game of all for one and for all.. how dare anybody slam another for spending their money on what they want? IF the game were completely "balanced" we would all be the same level and advance at the same time and we would lose the challenge of trying to outdo the next guy.

Do you complain and cry to the government because you didn't win the lottery but your neighbor did?

Anything that some people got and others didn't without any explanation, the ones who didn't get it aren't going to be happy. 

Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about. You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not. I did not earn VIP by weilding a credit card I have worked hard for it, participating in forums, chat, 

Gadheras said:

fionajune said:

Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about. You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not. I did not earn VIP by weilding a credit card I have worked hard for it, participating in forums, chat, 

What forum would that be, not here I think...

damn, 37 posts was the magic number. 

fionajune said:

Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about. You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not. I did not earn VIP by weilding a credit card I have worked hard for it, participating in forums, chat, working with players to improve their game as well as taking an active part to be in th challenges & tournies, its a lot more than $$. Speaking of coin, in fact its those of us who spend some coin who pay for the game to keep going for you people who do not pay. You seem to think VIPs get all these extra goodies yet you are not a VIP and so it leads me to ask just how do you know what a VIP gets that you do not.

You complain about game balance... VIPS have extra challenges that are often hard to meet the goals on to get a measly 81 dark Wyverns.. 40k pvp minimum & 40k in BGS.. do you really think those 81 dark wyverns are worth the troops loss? When I read this all i hear is a grown man or woman crying like a little kid over a lollipop. Instead of wearing out your keyboard complaining about not being VIP how about you take action to become a VIP?? Hmmm... or does that make too much sense? 

Another thought, don't you have VIP and coiners in your league? Do you ban or treat them differently, maybe kick them out of the league because they have a status that you don't? 

want to find me to teach me to mind my manners? -70/41. Srvr 2, untamed lands see ya soon

I take great offence to act of idiocy and blatant acts of stupidly in the face of facts and thesis. Your degenerative posts, is both offensive and uneducated. 

" Will you quit crying about something you obviously know nothing about . You are not making a difference only making yourself look jealous of those who have something you do not"

It is human nature to cry about the unknown. Will any of this players complain if they knew about this program, how to enter it and such. The VIP program is a feature that Plarium use to discriminate players according to spending spree( it has nothing to do with how much you spend over a long time, but how much you spend over a short time(1-6 months). Do I have a problem with Plarium exploiting human nature to make profit, no. I have a problem with Plarium using geographical location, IP address and nationality to choose discriminate players. 

Your charge that players who complain about this feature are jealous is very offensive and divisive. this  jealous players are veterans who have played this game for half a decade. Did you know that the VIP program was never introduced like other programs to players. Even mods were not notified about the inclusion of this program. 

Most VIP I know of ate good peopled, they do contribute to the community. Their contribution is nothing significant compared to the contribution of all players. Plarium like to flash its membership numbers. Should players allow Plarium to discriminate the majority of those numbers based on financial standings and geographic location. 

"Financial discrimination is the unethical or illegal practice of unevenly offering compensation, financial assistance, access to financing or financial services on the basis of non-relevant factors such as profit interest, illogical reasoning and religious orientation."

You say some of the reasons why you are VIP is because you participate in forums and chats and help players. You have like 70 posts, most of which are as stupid.Most players here have over 500, they have been here for half a decade. So is it because you help players, where is the proof. 

fionajune said:

I might be a "rookie" big whoop, boy you hurt my feelings, maybe its good idea for some of you old dogs to listen to "rookies" you know you guys get stuck in your ways, and think you know everything about everything

You did bring up something, side tracking from topic.

Us, "old dogs" have seen much better times for the game and growth of both the game and it's players. That is the over all goal of many, many topics in the forum. So in a way, we could be stuck in our ways, but it was a much better game back then, with growing numbers, not declining. We have seen variations of what worked well and what was detrimental. We have seen many moderators, managers, and the development team changes in this time also,,, even owners...

So, some "old dogs" do watch out for our pups.

Dear Lords

im agree with most of you. the big problem that has the VIP program is the secret it has.

if all of us knew what to do to become a VIP this kind of topics and the questions i receive about that program will not exist.

meanwhile the program will continue in secret and the players continue being chosen as i think ramdonly this will be unfair for all us.

and dont come to me about "the time you play, the help you make...." and sentences like that because a lot of us are here since long time, playing a lot, helping with tips to all players and with high levels. and believe me is very frustrating see a half a year player be a VIP and dont know why

because i know why i will try to do the same for being a VIP....except ruining my credit card of course.

Regards and good day

fionajune said:

I might be a "rookie" big whoop, boy you hurt my feelings, maybe its good idea for some of you old dogs to listen to "rookies" you know you guys get stuck in your ways, and think you know everything about everything

Yes I was marshal for about 6 months before I decided hmm that being marshal meant I was limited in what I could do. Its an overrated thankless job. I made a move to a better fit for me. Tell you the truth don't miss it, and don't envy anyone who is a marshal. some are comfortable being in charge, putting out fires, dealing with diplomacy, more power to them. No skin of my hide. I can raid top my hearts content and as long as I don't overstep my bounds I have no chains. While I was marshal Integrity did pretty good, climbed in rank had quite a bit of influence, but hey this isn't a discussion on my tenure is it? 

Its a discussion about the VIP program and how some are in and some are not and how that twists some people's underpinnings snd just like you I have an opinion. Might not be in line or popular but I never claimed to be a conformist. 

Sorry if my friends are trolling you because of my post

You have my respect because you have obviously worked hard and achieved a great deal in a short time

but .... my complaint is about the way the VIP program is run and all the secrecy that surrounds iI
I never intended to critisize any player who is a VIP member

Lords and Ladies,

While Alina is on vacation I will be covering the forum along with Paul, who you already met. To reiterate a statement that has been made on a number of occasions - there is no guaranteed way to become a VIP player. I am aware what the contemporary opinion on this is, that you need to spend a lot of money. That, however, is incorrect. Activity, time spent in the game and ability to do well in different events and Tournaments as well as position in prominent Leagues all play a much bigger part in getting the player a chance to be considered for a VIP position. But at the same time, the number of people that can be invited into the program is limited and is much smaller than the number of players who qualify. There are times when several candidates are available and only one can be offered a slot. As such, there is an element of luck to it as well.

Dimitri Molchanov said:

Lords and Ladies,

While Alina is on vacation I will be covering the forum along with Paul, who you already met. To reiterate a statement that has been made on a number of occasions - there is no guaranteed way to become a VIP player. I am aware what the contemporary opinion on this is, that you need to spend a lot of money. That, however, is incorrect. Activity, time spent in the game and ability to do well in different events and Tournaments as well as position in prominent Leagues all play a much bigger part in getting the player a chance to be considered for a VIP position. But at the same time, the number of people that can be invited into the program is limited and is much smaller than the number of players who qualify. There are times when several candidates are available and only one can be offered a slot. As such, there is an element of luck to it as well.

So consider offering VIP to all active permanent (6+ months) league marshals in large (100+ ?) long established leagues ... and drop the secrecy

I am happy to see players like fionajune given VIP status, but it must have been a huge shock to her after only 6 months in the game

Being a League Marshal is not the only way to get into the program. And we are being as transparent as possible on the matter, though I understand that some people may wish to know even more, that is not something we can provide.

Gadheras, you know the forum rules and with your track list of warnings and bans it is best not to break. Your post has been edited and you can consider this an official warning. Avoid profanity in your posts, please.

For the matter of VIP players, it is impossible to have a set requirement that will guarantee entry into the program as we do not have enough slots for everyone who qualifies. We have provided information on what would help a player be considered, but the final decision depends too much on the situation at the time, how many slots are available in the program, who else is being considered, etc. They do get benefits, but they have been cut over time to make certain the disparity is not too much, and work on that continues constantly. It is no one's intent to alienate or segregate players.

Dimitri Molchanov said:

Gadheras, you know the forum rules and with your track list of warnings and bans it is best not to break. Your post has been edited and you can consider this an official warning. Avoid profanity in your posts, please.

For the matter of VIP players, it is impossible to have a set requirement that will guarantee entry into the program as we do not have enough slots for everyone who qualifies. We have provided information on what would help a player be considered, but the final decision depends too much on the situation at the time, how many slots are available in the program, who else is being considered, etc. They do get benefits, but they have been cut over time to make certain the disparity is not too much, and work on that continues constantly. It is no one's intent to alienate or segregate players.

It was a expression, a saying if you want. not a intent of use profanity. (try google the saying). As for the other. Maybe its not Plariums intent to alienate or segregate players, but that is the reality of things. Claim one thing but reflect another just doesn't mix very well. 

Yeah, with some 2300+ posts there been some warnings and even some forum bans, but also some that been turned over by Oberon (which we can't contact any longer). I also experienced forum rules been changed due to what been posted, not necessary just by me. And even forum rules been enforced with a rather "wide" bias taking things out of context and give it another narrative than what was intended. But to argue such is like fight windmills, fruitless.  

I am aware of the saying, yet it remains a breach of forum rules no matter the intent. Bans can, indeed, be taken off prematurely depending on the situation. That does not mean that they are not going to be considered if you break the rules again. I am sure you can express your opinion without doing so. If not, penalties will be applied on a case-by-case basis.