think now of me attacking players who did not use ars but used

1000 euros

so tell me if it’s fair to him or not?

i think you made the 1000X game worse

imagine that one coalition knew about arsand that they used ars like me they could ruin the whole game.

so please do something about it as soon as possible

no offence toanyone   but anybody that spends $1000 a week on the game needs to go get their head looked at     i was spending about  £150 a month but no more  so do something about it palarium with ars i was having fun buying thing i would never have put fun back into game                          cant you see theres a problem now and the longer you ignore it the worsse it will get

Kind of amazed by the lack of insight in this thread. 

"Give me back my super glitch discounted stuff"... is pretty much the long and short of it. Like a child having a big tantrum.

If people didn't notice we are playing a ridiculously pay to win game. Most servers of all versions of the games are relatively inactive because of the lack of balance in the game. It got destroyed by coining.

If you have a family game of monopoly every weekend, how long will it last when one of the kids starts paying the parents to complete sets and get free houses and hotels. Not very long - cause the other kids will stop playing when they realise they have no chance to compete. Game becomes pointless.

Enabling even more stuff to be bought so that "bought stuff" completely outweights "stuff earned in game" is fast tracking the games for even earlier extiction. It unbalances them faster.

Cheaper prices doesn't "level up" the game between big spenders and small (or new and old). It just means everyone gets 10 times more than before. You don't gain an advantage from it (well not if the exploit is know to everyone).

ARS, or cheaper pricing is not the answer to saving the games, it's the accelerator to the end.

Just remember. If you are buying a lot of stuff in this game (rather than actually playing it and earning stuff) you are the root of the problem, not the solution.

DJ MOODY, IF YOU WROTE THIS TO ENLIGHT US, I'M SORRY BUT YOU DIDN'T...

IF ARS WAS UNFAIR AND DANGEROUS FOR THE GAME , THE SITUATION AFTER ARS ENDED, FOR BIG OR SMALL PLAYERS, DOESN'T MATTER, LEADS TO THE DEATH OF THE GAME...SO I'M SORRY BUT YOUR COMMENT IS AGAINST LOGIC, EXCEPT OF COURSE YOU WANT GAME TO DIE...

DJ Moody,

The big problem is that coiners can & do grow faster & larger than average players.  That's been the widening problem for quite some time now but Plarium doesn't see it as a problem or unfair because they're making their money & they just say everyone could buy. That thinking while technically correct is incorrect in practice.

I know the game is a business & must make money but I've watched Plarium just make it easier & easier for coiners to continue widening the gap.  That may please coiners but it drains fun from average players. So many opportunities to restore some overall balance have been lost.  The Union idea was built backwards IMO.  Instead of large coals it should have been aimed at small coals, with certain advantagous bonuses for Union's limited members.  I wrote an entire piece on this back then as a means to restore fun & the small coals ability to join together with specific perks to counter the power larger coals. No, not the same as merging or the useless working together concept. Union should have been a voluntary joining where all kept their identities.  Even then working together would be a challenge. 

I seriously doubt anyone thought that ARS would let them equal or surpass coiners.  Money will always hold the advantage. What you seem to be missing DJ is that ARS made the game fun again.  That renewed fun brought hope regardless of its slim chance of changing the game's balance. If that speeds up the decline of the game, so be it.  Why do average players assume the burden of prolonging the game by paying too much for packages just to survive in an unsatisfying game?  ARS has has opened eyes to just how overpriced packages truly are.

If coiners have been the bane of other games & are clearly taking this game down that same path, why do you point at us saying we are part of the problem?  This is of Plarium's making, without the feeblest attempt to course correct after all these years. We are the cash cow they continue to milk & cut steaks from for coiners so there can only be one ending. The only question is when.  If my choice is prolonging the game by accepting how unfair, overpriced & miserable it is or having fun & enjoyment right up to an accelerated end, give me the fun.  

I really can't understand the comment that ARS made the game fun again.

Buying stuff from the shop = fun? 

If something is cheaper it becomes more fun?

Or is it that a lot of ppl thought they were getting it over on Plarium and probably getting it over on the rest of the player base that was unaware of it. I get why picking up that kind of advantage make ppl feel very satified... I am not sure "fun" is the right word to describe it though.

And I think trying to rationalise that a subset of ppl getting a huge advantage was in any way going to make the games last longer is so weak sauce it's difficult to believe ppl have been trying it for 9 pages.

What this thread is about, if we are really being brually honest, is  a bunch of of ppl upset they can't continue reaping a massive advantage over others. Hell I get the disappointment that the gravy train ended but I would have thought the right reaction was feeling lucky you got the advantage, not throwing the toys out of the pram that it didn't last forever.

But I think there is a lot of common ground between us in the area of Plarium having killed these games by putting a pay to win button on everything. They made the games so unbalanced the vast majority of ppl left them because they couldn't compete. That doesn't even maximise Plarium profit in the end, they just fleeced the short term and killed their long term, whilst ruining it for the players at the same time.

No, brutally honest is saying Plarium's product is over priced, that it is set-up for those with money to grow fast & feed off those that can't.  ARS being able to help grow one's city and army may be totally imaginary but it creates a satisfying illusion of hope.

If you can't see how that equates to more enjoyment & fun even in a losing game that's on you. Average players have been squeezed for a long time.  The ARS has just reminded them how much they've been squeezed and yes they hoped Plarium was unaware so it would continue.  When the very premise of the game is unfair, it doesn't promote fairness in anyone DJ.

I agree that we have much commom ground regarding how Plarium's short sighted goals have rotted the game.  So many opportunities to inject course corrections over the years & instead we get pretty new troops while the game grows sicker.

I have no wish to argue with you.  We may see some things differently & that's fine.  I have always thought that advancement should be from one's play, not purchases.  But if the powers allow those purchases to alter the strategy of the game I'll purchase too if it's affordable just to still have a chance at competing.

I'd prefer that Plarium addressed the root problem, but they won't. The ARS blow-up is just the result of feelings that have been festering in players for years.

losing $5-10 a week can be fun, losing $100 isnt, The simple fact is that this game is overpriced

And if the game closes then the biggest losers will be the coiners and plarium

I do know where the last two posts come from, regarding being over priced.

But at the same time you can play without spending any money at all. So I don't think the statement about it being over priced is so clear cut as you think - it's actually priced at whatever level you choose it to be.

If there are people that are willing to spend thousands and in some cases, tens of thousands of dollars a month at current prices then lowering the price to say an ARS level will reduce the current revenue stream by 90%. 

Now all us hobby level spenders who will spend at ARS prices but not at full price (I count myself as one of them) would need to by x10 more packages than the 90% of revenue lost from the big coiners (x10 times because the packages are now approx 10 times cheaper) for the game to get back to it's starting profitability.

So if the function of pricing is to maximise profit (and it would be hard to tell Plarium as a company to completely disregard that objective), it doesn't take much to realise that ARS prices weren't maximising profits.

So actually it's your fellow players that set the pricing. If the mega coiners kept it in their pants then the game would be a lot cheaper. It's priced at the level that loosens their wallets.... not that loosens the wallets of hobby level spenders.

Sad fact is, its not "overpriced", when the purpose of pricing is to maximise profit.

And yet clearly it is hugely "over-priced" based on what you get back for your money. A game that gets virtually no updates ever, other than very small things that are quite obviously little more than fronts for new shop spending. Game has offered little more than Raid / BG / PvP for 7 years of gameplay (maybe you could argure champs). Support is also terrible and non-response. Interaction with players (actually listening) is minimal and quite often directly antagonistic.

But if some ppl price the lack of delivery we currently get as "worth" thousands of dollarrs a month then Plarium will take the money and price accordingly. So it's actually players that set the price, Plarium are just following an algo based off our actions.

And why do people thousands of dollars to play. Because the status they get from being "famous" and the ability to "dominate" makes them feel good about themselves. Their ego's are so fragile that to "lose" at a strategy game would seriously damage their self worth. When you see it like that, they are paying for mental well being, then you can begin to see why they might pay thousands for that. They aren't paying for the reality of the game, they are paying for something they have projected onto it.

Unfortunately that is why the games aren't "over-priced". Not in Plarium's view anyway.

Maybe you could argue (and I often do) that the pricing maximises short term profits but unbalancing the games so much they become inactive over the long run, damaging long run profit. There are alternatives business models of taking a small amount from a large amount of players, rather than a massive amount from a tiny amount of player (which will always unbalance and therefore kill the long term). But the blinkers are firmly on the short term at Plarium, they haven't listened to that argument ever (to actually care about the health of their games for the benefit of the medium/long term).

Sorry for the long post. But no easy way to cover those issues quickly.

 In the last 15 days Coalition Members receive ZERO Coalition Chests or Gifts

This is not the strategy game it was in the beginning. It is a money game and has become more so over the years. Even groups of players, regardless of smart play, can fall to a player or two that spends, spends, spends.

That I blame on Plarium for the set-up & lack of any real attmpts to keep the game interesting & fun.  We players are also to blame for putting up with this arrangement. Yes, Plarium needs to make money but they continue to plant the same crop in the same ground year after year with nothing to revitalize the soil. Eventually the crops are stunted or just don't grow.

I, like a farmer that has a bond to his land, have learned that trying hard means little if the land just won't support crops anymore.  There's a time to realize that one has to move on.  I'll play with what I have until it is too small to matter & call it quits.  No more money because ARS has shown me that the game dynamics aren't worth my money.  I played for the fun of competition but somewhere it became more about spending just to be able to compete a little. ARS was the slap I needed to awaken. Never going to get better, only worse.

DJ, enjoyed reading your thoughts.

DJ, interesting post, and you bought up some good points.

But i say again ,packs are overpriced.

The only pack that makes sense to me is the 'coa pack' wherein the coiners spread there wealth to coa members, of coarse this is only worth the purchase if ALL coa members purchase  a pack, and that can be a problem if you do not have the money to buy one at present day prices.

Maybe if they included more items in each pack say 'emeralds' / boosts /gp's etc players would be more inclined to purchase . non coiners and medium players are already offered cheaper pcks , ie the longer you do not purchase, the packs offered get less expensive. of coarse you get less in them but that would not matter to much if ALL coa members purchased just 1. Say 150 X contents of pack would be considerable, this would enable 'all' coa members to participate a bit more. But as i say packs are to expensive

Just a thought. 

You hide like rats behind privileged people (moderators). I still haven't seen an answer from the beginning of the topic, from Plarium. You are of the lowest quality ... 

I don't know why you "NEED" an answer. It's not like we don't all know the answer already.

Getting a 90% discount on ARS because the currency tables are so out of date (Argentinian currency has decline massively in last 2/3 yrs) was an unintented glitch.

As significant proportions of the game are now absusing it they patched ARS to be in dollars now. To not do so would be to crush their profit (and quite possibly given the inactivity on our servers, herald the end of the game as it would no longer be financially viable).

Do you really need to hear someone from Plarium to be forced into saying this? It's obvious.

DJ...una risposta ufficiale della Plarium è anche segno di educazione e rispetto verso coloro che per anni hanno finanziato e sostenuto per anni il gioco e la Plarium....

Dopo una risposta ufficiale della Plarium ognuno potrà fare le proprie valutazioni...decidere se andare avanti fino ad esaurire tutto ciò che ha in città, o abbandonare il gioco fin da subito......ma almeno avremmo una versione ufficiale...

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Woad, good post.

i did nor find out about ARS until a short time before it was stopped and yes i took advantage , as much as i could afford, spending the same amount as i usually did and yes i gained a few extra benefits during that short time.

As far as i was aware it was being used by a multitude of players, and why not, if it was there to use. which it was. I blame my own laziness for not looking into ways of buying packages cheaper. As far as i was concerned Plarium put ARS into the game to be used. what i still do not understand is how some players new that is was being taken out of game a full month before it was removed , clearly some collusion between Plarium staff and certain players

And as i have mentioned  before , packages are just to expensive

WOAD MY FRIEND ARS WAS NOT A "HITCH" , OR "CHEAT", OR WHATEVER, PLARIUM OFFERED IT IN HER  O W N  S E T T I N G S  , SO ALL PLAYERS USED IT, IT WAS TYPICAL BY PLARIUM AUTHORIZATION...PLEASE DON'T FORGET THAT...

YOUR OPINION IS WELCOMED, BUT DON'T SHOW THINGS DIFERENT THAN THEY ARE MY FRIEND, AND DON'T JUDGE ALL US TRYING TO HAVE MORE FUN WITH THE SAME MONEY....CAUSE THERE WAS  NO PLARIUM'S LOST MONEY,  PLARIUM'S PROFITS WENT UP BY ARS MATTER, FOR REASONS WE PLAYERS EXPLAINED FOR ABOUT 10 TIMES ALLREADY!! ...YOU WANT TO HEAR THEM FOR 11TH TIME...OK!!

- ALL EXCISTING PLAYERS WERE PAYING AT LEAST THE SAME MONEY AND MORE THAN BEFORE, CAUSE THEY HAVE MUCH MORE GAME FUN AND PURCHASED AT LEAST  10 TIMES MORE PACKAGES!!

- MANY PLAYERS DIDN'T BUY BEFORE, START BYING WITH ARS CURRENCY

- MANY BIG PLAYERS RETURNED TO THE GAME AND STARTED BUYING EVERYTHING...YOU WANT MORE MY FRIEND?

SO, FINALLY, I REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND PLARIUM'S DECISION, AND I WONDER HOW MANY DAYS, WEEKS OR MONTHS WILL PASS TILL THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR MISTAKE, SO THEY CAN MAKE FINALLY SOME CLEVER MOVES, LIKE DRASTICALLY CUTTING PACKS PRICES, OR OFFER 10 TIMES MORE GOODIES WITH EACH PACK...

WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS MY FRIENDS, BUT OUR OPINIONS DON'T CHANGE THE FACTS OF THIS STORY SO FAR....THEY CAN'T CHANGE  T R U T H !!

Shouting in caps whilst listening to no one else isn't a great look tbh.

I refer you to my already posted (and pretty comprehensive) explanation of why they don't have the price point wrong. Your living in a fantasy land, where you are desperate for "what you want" to come true.  Rather ironically without any reference to the "facts" or "the truth", as it happens.

DJ MOODY,WHO SPEAKS TRULLY AND UPON FACTS BETWEEN US IS OBVIOUS...

ONE OF US IS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE AND  FIND A SOLUTION, WHILE THE OTHER IS TRYING TO "EXPLAIN THINGS" FROM PLARIUM'S SIDE, SPEAKS  ABOUT "CAPS" AND OFFENDS THE OTHER...BE WELL MY FRIEND...OUR... "DISCUSSION" IS OVER.

I do not usually say this - but dj's coment is the most idiotic i have ever seen.

A group of us were trying to get palarium to make it possible for new players to compete in sparta - they are expected to fight built up accounts with light and heavy troops until they can gather enough glory points in pvp to unlock phalanx and horse.

Everything is stacked against them - and a game with no new players is a game with no future. end of story. I have said this again and again.

The lower cost packages that enabled the small accounts to catch up to the large ones - and is exactly what was needed - the ability to buy a few thousand upgrade sketches or glory points is massive for new people and makes very little difference to the overpowered mega accounts.

It closes the gap - dj must know this - which makes me think he is a massive coiner that fears others catching up to him, to the point he will promote killing the game.

Sad - just sad that there are still people willing to figth bringing in new players and promote their palarium bosses that are feeding them free junk for their services.