I've got 18m coins now. I guess I should filter artifacts and fully upgrade a few and see what they give. Boy this is so confusing. I'm concerned I won't get anything good. 

Krama. Dthorne04. 

i had just over 20m coins. I upgraded the top row arti. Sun filter crit rate and speed. I upgraded everything to 16. Here's the ones I consider maybe good for my Kael. Please let me know what you think. 

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Your Kael allready has 115% crit rate, what is more than enough. 

Crit rate is a chance, there is a check like "crit rate activated yes or no". At 100% chance, the check will end "yes". Increasing critrate to 100% is good, increasing above 100% has no effect. It has no negative effect either, but it's a waste to go on.

If the crit rate check was positive, your champ will deal his critical damage on top of his normal damage. 

So once you reached 100% crit rate, you want to increase your crit damage. Actually the crit damage of your Kael is 93% (57% naturally + 36% from artifacts). Every time you do a crittical hit, he will get +93% damage. You want to increase that crit damage stat now. Be aware that crit damage, unlike crit rate, can (and should) be increased above 100%. That's because of the different functionality, crit rate is a chance, crit damage is, well... damage.

Example (not the true numbers, just to show the principle): Your Kael does 10000 damage from his attack. If it's a critical hit, he will do +93% damage (93% is your crit damage stat actually), so he will deal 19300 damage.

If you increase your crit rate further, no effect, still 19300 damage.

If you increase your crit dam stat to 150% = 25000 damage.

Thanks. I'm aware of all that :). 

that's why some arti pics show less crit. Because it's over 100 already. So they're still possibly good with the other increases. 

looking for krama and dthorne suggestions. 

mom guessing the arti with plus 13 speed might be the best one. But I don't like losing hp etc. he can alreafy barely solo and that's with lifesteal. 

getting rid of lifesteal means he's going to have a harder time. But I don't think just one arti loss of lifesteal gets rid of it. 

You show only possible shields you want to use on him. It would be easier to make some artifact suggestions if you would show us all artifacts he is wearing right now, including ring and amulett. We could give advice wich of his actual pieces is the worst and should be changed.

Maybe you posted these artifacts somewhere in the thread allready, but sorry, I don't want to read 18 pages again to find it.

Krama suggested to filter arti and upgrade. So I did. I'm waiting for him to reply. i only showed what I did based on his suggestions and filter arti settings. And the only good arties from my upgrades that could apply to Kael for now. 

I don't mind others suggesting stuff. I'm just explaining why I showed what I showed. 

You're going to want to try to prioritize upgrading 6* items over 5*. That said, you got some pretty good rolls there, so they definitely aren't wasted.

From those, you'll probably want the Destroy shield. Normally I would have favoured the Avenging one, but you need the accuracy. You'll also want to use the Resilience helmet, yes.

I should put those two on Kael?

So they give a bit more speed and acuracy. But lower other stuff. And I'd lose lifesteal. 

If I use the helmet that drops accuracy 19 less. The shield one ups accuracy only 10. So I lose 9 if I use them both. 

Should I still use them Krama?

The shield gives plus 13 or so speed. Good. But loses out on others. 

Do you have any other decent Lifesteal you can use? 

This is where the HellHades optimizer is nice, setting those stat parameters you're looking for and seeing what your best possible loadouts based on those numbers can be, whether we're looking to use specific sets or just get to the best possible stats. 

I had decent lifesteal on Kael. Now not since I've put on a couple other gear that lost his lifesteal. Decent for where I'm at in game that is. 

The artifacts on now aren't good enough to lose lifesteal in my opinion. I don't have enough decent artifacts for the other D20 team champs yet. 13 plus speed makes no difference that I can see. It'd have to be 50 not 13. Then I might notice something. I'm guessing. 

Id like much better artifacts to lose lifesteal. Or enough good artifacts on the other champs to make up for losing lifesteal on Kael. 

I'm not getting many decent artifacts now. It's slow I mean. I mostly farm 12-3 with food to use to upgrade champs. So I can get coins to use to upgrade what krama suggested I filed for. 

So far I only filtered for the top row artifacts for crate and speed sub stats. That cost me 20m coins. This only produced a few what I thought might be decent artifacts for Kael. Every one I upgraded loses 20 speed on Magnarr. That I don't get. So they're worthless on him. 

I don't know how to use the optimizer much. I showed the artifacts it suggested once and you dthorne04 said they were bad. So I haven't used it since considering I haven't gotten any good artifacts yet. I'm getting them from the same places. And only just recently upgraded a bunch from what krama suggested. 

more mobile text issues. Are they ever going to fix?

one thing about the optimizer is it's info is wrong for my Kael. And I don't know what some numbers mean. 

You sorta dug yourself into this hole. If your goal was to keep the lifesteal set on Kael, then why would you be upgrading items in slots that you can't use (due to losing the set bonus)?

Whether you need lifesteal or not is another story. From what I remember, your team had quite a lot of support on it. Do you truly need the set bonus?

Also, just FYI, the top-row items contribute by far the least to your overall stats. The bottom ones are much more important.

You told me to use non set above set. So I did. But then I got thinking that that's only for much better artifacts and when all the team has much better artifacts. you also suggested I upgrade all those artifacts so I did. I did what I was suggested. 

I'm not using the dragon team in non dragon. I use kael and food in 12-3. So lifesteal helps Kael. But he's good enough to not need lifesteal I guess. He can still solo. I just got nervous losing lifesteal. It's ok tho. 

I still need to upgrade everything suggested I filter for on the bottom row. That's going to take tons of coins. I did the top. Now I'll save for the bottom. 

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I'm back to farming for coins to upgrade the bottom row. 

I'm still saving coins for upgrade bottom row. 

I've started to upgrade some of the lower 3 artifacts now but not getting anything special sadly. 

FYI I'm really struggling cus my mom just fractured her back and sciatica is way bad on Saturday last. She been to the er last Saturday and they sent her home after checking her. Should have admitted her. She got worse pain next couple days. Went to different hospital Monday or Tuesday cus pain was extreme. Unbearable. They admitted her. She been there since. They will move her to rehab facility soon for about 2 weeks. Might need surgery but not sure. I'm waiting to hear from her. 

MSI I'm sad about this. And since I was in a car accident not my fault July 14 I'm still recovering. My right arm is bad sometimes and I don't use it when I drive. So I don't go places Sometimes. I'm seriously depressed and stuff. 

many way that's what's going on. Just want to share and talk with y'all. 

Wow. That's says a lot. No one responds anymore. I'm truly sorry.