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Feb 7, 2022, 23:3802/07/22
02/14/21
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CB how do I improve?

Hi all

I have not been able to Improve MY CB team, I would like to start moving toward UNM, I can 2 key NM NP but everything I have tried to Improve my CB team makes it worse.

Tried Scab,UPB, frogman, fatman all just make me worse not better sooooo.

Please remeber I am just now starting to hit what I would call mid game, I can Farm Dragon,FK and IG on 20 and spider on 17 working on getting a better auto spider team working.

Here is my current CB team


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Here is my roster, some of these I have just gotten.

Also I do not get the stun target, I tried to make SK the target he has the lowest HP and Def but the stun still goes all over.

I was going to try a Demytha team but I do not have the speed gear to hit 274 with her.


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harleQuinnModerator
Feb 8, 2022, 01:3102/08/22
Feb 8, 2022, 01:31(edited)
02/24/19
7821

You mind taking some screens of you CB champ builds so we can better help?

harleQuinnModerator
Feb 8, 2022, 01:4402/08/22
02/24/19
7821

Also, just an aside, if there ends up being any way you can switch stuff around to get to Demytha to 274, that High Khatun, Seeker, Demytha team is not too crazy on stats.

274 Demytha, 256 High Khatun, 180 Seeker, 169 Brogni or Tatura for a full affinity friendly setup, 145 DPS

You've got lots of DPS options. Scabrius, Fayne, and Ninja (with a touch of speed tweaking). 

I'm sure you've seen it Minin, since you mention the 274 speed, but for anyone else looking at this post later, here is a link to the DWJ breakdown of the team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yONHiVwxm0Y

Feb 8, 2022, 08:5902/08/22
02/14/21
505
harleQuinn

Also, just an aside, if there ends up being any way you can switch stuff around to get to Demytha to 274, that High Khatun, Seeker, Demytha team is not too crazy on stats.

274 Demytha, 256 High Khatun, 180 Seeker, 169 Brogni or Tatura for a full affinity friendly setup, 145 DPS

You've got lots of DPS options. Scabrius, Fayne, and Ninja (with a touch of speed tweaking). 

I'm sure you've seen it Minin, since you mention the 274 speed, but for anyone else looking at this post later, here is a link to the DWJ breakdown of the team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yONHiVwxm0Y

Not without stripping my arena team.

As requested here they are in all their glory 😁

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Feb 8, 2022, 14:0102/08/22
Feb 8, 2022, 14:02(edited)
06/25/20
6638

Easy switch - drop Apoth for Versulf, and switch all your champs out of lifesteal gear and into better stuff. That'll get you to 1-key no problem. You'll want SK to be on 4:3 so she can block the stun, and you'll want her running it on turn 2 if she's slowest or turn 3 otherwise.

Feb 8, 2022, 14:0602/08/22
02/14/21
505
kramaswamy.kr

Easy switch - drop Apoth for Versulf, and switch all your champs out of lifesteal gear and into better stuff. That'll get you to 1-key no problem. You'll want SK to be on 4:3 so she can block the stun, and you'll want her running it on turn 2 if she's slowest or turn 3 otherwise.

Better stuff = what?

Need translation SK on 4:3 = what speed?

Feb 8, 2022, 14:0702/08/22
06/25/20
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Minin

Better stuff = what?

Need translation SK on 4:3 = what speed?

Well, I just mean that you aren't pigeonholed into running lifesteal if you have Versulf, since he brings leech. If lifesteal ends up actually being your best gear, so be it, but usually it's much easier to find good gear from perception and resilience.

For 4:3, you need approximately 224 SPD. I posted a similar rotation in another thread, let me see if I can find it.

Feb 8, 2022, 14:0902/08/22
06/25/20
6638

So, roughly speaking:

Skullcrusher - slowest other than ninja while being above 170 spd

FB - faster than Skullcrusher

Versulf - faster than Skullcrusher - this one you'll have to experiment with. You may need him slower than SK, depends on whether you get more traction out of having an extra turn of CA for Versulf vs losing the DEF up on SK

SK - at least 224 speed

Ninja - at most 164 speed 

Feb 8, 2022, 14:1502/08/22
02/14/21
505
kramaswamy.kr

So, roughly speaking:

Skullcrusher - slowest other than ninja while being above 170 spd

FB - faster than Skullcrusher

Versulf - faster than Skullcrusher - this one you'll have to experiment with. You may need him slower than SK, depends on whether you get more traction out of having an extra turn of CA for Versulf vs losing the DEF up on SK

SK - at least 224 speed

Ninja - at most 164 speed 

TY

This I can work with 😁

I have tried leech and even with all haveing GS or WM I didn't get enough healing.


Does Versulf need to be booked?

Feb 8, 2022, 14:2102/08/22
06/25/20
6638
Minin

TY

This I can work with 😁

I have tried leech and even with all haveing GS or WM I didn't get enough healing.


Does Versulf need to be booked?

"Need" is a strong word here. He definitely benefits from it, but I wouldn't call it mandatory. Your rotations will be a mess without booking, but you will almost certainly still outperform Apoth.

Feb 8, 2022, 15:3002/08/22
02/14/21
505

ok couple more ????

SK you mean SS Sepulcher Sentinel?

Could I sub Scabruis for Ver for the leech? leech poison and weaken

Could I sub Toragi for FB for AP and more poisons

Sorry trying to see if I can use champs that are already booked and have mastries/ otherwise I am months away from changing 😀

Feb 8, 2022, 15:5602/08/22
12/19/19
6288

is brogni a3 booked?

Feb 8, 2022, 16:0102/08/22
06/25/20
6638

Wow I totally missed Brogni. Okay. Never mind. Change the entire comp.

Skullcrusher (CA, AA)

Brogni (Block Debuffs)

FB (Poison)

Ninja (Damage, DEF down)

Rhazin if you have, Fatman if not (or possibly Fayne, not sure if Weaken will outperform)

dthorne04Moderator
Feb 8, 2022, 16:0602/08/22
12/30/20
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Trips

is brogni a3 booked?

Also curious about this. Even if we can't find our way to Quinn's comp, I think I'd like Brogni in there...

Feb 8, 2022, 16:1802/08/22
02/29/20
609

Stun  targets  are  based  off  of  multiple  variables:

The  first  is  affinity.  If  the  clan  boss  is  green,  for  example,  it  will  almost  always  target  your  red  champions.  (I  have  seen  some  times  when  a  champion  is  very  very  low,  the  clan  boss  will  switch  to  them  to  finish  them  off).

Second,  it  is  percentage  of  HP  remaining.  Skullcrusher  doesnt  need  the  lowest  HP,  he  just  needs  the  least  compared  to  everyone  else,  like  40%  of  his  HP  compared  to  60%  of  everyone  else's  HP.  If  everyone  is  at  the  same  level  of  HP  then  the  clan  boss  will  focus  on  the  one  with  the  lowest  total  HP.

The  last  thing  is  that  he  has  to  have  some  HP  left,  more  than  one.  He  can't  just  be  sitting  at  one  HP  and  an  Unkillablt  buff.  To  fix  this  you  can  simply  use  healing  or  lifesteal/Lifedrinker.

Feb 8, 2022, 16:5602/08/22
12/19/19
6288

skullcrusher 174, brogni 173

Others I think between 175 and 186.  Will let u mix and match in 3 spots based on affinity.  And work on NM and UNM.

Feb 8, 2022, 17:3902/08/22
02/14/21
505

UPB no books but do have 6 I can put on him during CVC, Masteries about 1/2 thru.

Feb 8, 2022, 17:4302/08/22
06/25/20
6638
Minin

UPB no books but do have 6 I can put on him during CVC, Masteries about 1/2 thru.

His A3 needs full booking to be effective for the role you want him in. You need it at 3-turn CD, so he can use it just before the stun.

Feb 8, 2022, 18:3402/08/22
02/14/21
505
Trips

skullcrusher 174, brogni 173

Others I think between 175 and 186.  Will let u mix and match in 3 spots based on affinity.  And work on NM and UNM.

Dumb ??? why is brogni better than SS?

She also has Block debuffs on a 3 turn cooldown.

Just trying to understand the thought process 😁

Feb 8, 2022, 18:3602/08/22
06/25/20
6638
Minin

Dumb ??? why is brogni better than SS?

She also has Block debuffs on a 3 turn cooldown.

Just trying to understand the thought process 😁

SS is 4-turn CD on A2, not 3. Makes her much more difficult to gear. Also, Brogni brings ATK up, which'll boost some of your damage from Ninja. And lastly, his shield procs GS very effectively.

Feb 8, 2022, 19:2502/08/22
12/19/19
6288
Minin

Dumb ??? why is brogni better than SS?

She also has Block debuffs on a 3 turn cooldown.

Just trying to understand the thought process 😁

Brogni is just ridiculously good. Absolutely use books on him.  Awesome in tag for go 1st and go 2nd teams (so you can use J's suggestions 😆 🤣)

The passive procs on shield are awesome. Make sure you keep bloodshield rings from CvC too.  I could see using both brogni and sepulcher even unless u had another dec atk option.  Don't remember...