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dthorne04Moderator
Jun 28, 2024, 00:3106/28/24
Jun 28, 2024, 00:41(edited)
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a story in picture form: 

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harleQuinnModerator
Jun 28, 2024, 00:4606/28/24
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WileyMan

Okay, the vids are published as "Unlisted", and I have added them all to a YT playlist:   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQBmn6ujzUs&list=PLAfvc9lAQWRlkzQEs3a2gdGUoCYa8T8Pl&index=3

LMK if you can watch them.

I play on an iPhone 11 (iOS version 17.5.1) and a Dell Laptop with an AMD Ryzen 7 5825U chip and 16 GB of RAM.  The videos were taken on the Dell, but the "Cupidus No Hex Over Poison Cloud" has happenned on both devices.  

Is there one of you in particular that I should DM with my player ID?

No, no need to DM your account info. Your cursed gear is working as intended in your videos, and places hex over cloud in them. Thanks for taking the time to record some gameplay so we could check it out. :)

Jun 28, 2024, 04:5406/28/24
Jun 28, 2024, 19:24(edited)
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@dthorne04 

@harleQuinn 

I understand that your role here is to poke holes in my story and not bother support with a non-issue, but I direct your attention back to the video that Thorne has highlighted above.  

That Hydra head is already under an HP Burn Debuff.  HPB negates the effects of Poison Cloud, and there are other examples of Cupidus placing Hex in that situation.  

I may yet be found to be wrong, but I do not believe that he is placing Hex over Poison Cloud when HPB is not already present.  If I have missed something, please enlighten me.

dthorne04Moderator
Jun 28, 2024, 05:0206/28/24
Jun 28, 2024, 05:16(edited)
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WileyMan

@dthorne04 

@harleQuinn 

I understand that your role here is to poke holes in my story and not bother support with a non-issue, but I direct your attention back to the video that Thorne has highlighted above.  

That Hydra head is already under an HP Burn Debuff.  HPB negates the effects of Poison Cloud, and there are other examples of Cupidus placing Hex in that situation.  

I may yet be found to be wrong, but I do not believe that he is placing Hex over Poison Cloud when HPB is not already present.  If I have missed something, please enlighten me.

Still passed it along with all the info, just gonna let support/devs take a look from here. I'm just confused how it's possible that your account is bugged when everything else works fine in terms of placing Hex in the other interactions I observed in the videos. 

Not so much poking holes as straight up incredulous that it doesn't work somehow.

The only possibility I can think of is a Cupidus interaction but that would run counter to what I've heard so far, along with no seeing any complaints every about him - though I've never seen anyone use him for that since he's a damage option.

edit: I am now in fact wondering if there is a bug as I go 0/24

harleQuinnModerator
Jun 28, 2024, 05:3206/28/24
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WileyMan

@dthorne04 

@harleQuinn 

I understand that your role here is to poke holes in my story and not bother support with a non-issue, but I direct your attention back to the video that Thorne has highlighted above.  

That Hydra head is already under an HP Burn Debuff.  HPB negates the effects of Poison Cloud, and there are other examples of Cupidus placing Hex in that situation.  

I may yet be found to be wrong, but I do not believe that he is placing Hex over Poison Cloud when HPB is not already present.  If I have missed something, please enlighten me.

Haha. True, true.

But in this case we already sent it in anyhow. Cause actually after going back with all your videos and testing him ourselves he seems to be quite contrarian about placing the debuff. 

Now it's time to let the devs get to the bottom of this. Perhaps there's something weird with that damage scaling he does. Or something else that has crept in during updates. 0_o

harleQuinnModerator
Jun 28, 2024, 05:3506/28/24
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(PS, I blame Thorne for hearing that it was working before double checking haha)

Jun 28, 2024, 17:2306/28/24
12/19/19
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So is this specific to cupidus? I'll have to pay attention to my cursed nekmo this week I guess.  But since I run with a burner I'll have to really pay attention... lol


Jun 29, 2024, 15:4006/29/24
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WileyMan

Okay, the vids are published as "Unlisted", and I have added them all to a YT playlist:   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQBmn6ujzUs&list=PLAfvc9lAQWRlkzQEs3a2gdGUoCYa8T8Pl&index=3

LMK if you can watch them.

I play on an iPhone 11 (iOS version 17.5.1) and a Dell Laptop with an AMD Ryzen 7 5825U chip and 16 GB of RAM.  The videos were taken on the Dell, but the "Cupidus No Hex Over Poison Cloud" has happenned on both devices.  

Is there one of you in particular that I should DM with my player ID?

I was ready to 100% agree with you that hex doesntt land on poison cloud after watching nekmo miss at least 10x in a row against suffering at beginning of my NM run.  Didn't notice anything the next 200+ rounds though burn up mostly so idk what happened the majority of the battle...lol.  Then bam saw it land on cloud... took screenshot on phone, will edit to add.

But definitely seems like something strange still, was certainly outside of a couple or more standard deviations

Jun 29, 2024, 16:1706/29/24
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dthorne04Moderator
Jun 29, 2024, 16:1906/29/24
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Trips

I was ready to 100% agree with you that hex doesntt land on poison cloud after watching nekmo miss at least 10x in a row against suffering at beginning of my NM run.  Didn't notice anything the next 200+ rounds though burn up mostly so idk what happened the majority of the battle...lol.  Then bam saw it land on cloud... took screenshot on phone, will edit to add.

But definitely seems like something strange still, was certainly outside of a couple or more standard deviations

does your Nekmo have Warmaster?

Jun 29, 2024, 16:4806/29/24
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dthorne04

does your Nekmo have Warmaster?

Yes


dthorne04Moderator
Jun 29, 2024, 17:2306/29/24
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Trips

Yes


Alright:

So from what I'm hearing back from support it's an issue of Warmaster procs registering as a "normal" versus "weak" hit, thus letting us place the Hex through Poison Cloud with a Warmaster proc. 

The testing I did on my own had the same results.

Jun 29, 2024, 20:1706/29/24
01/31/20
797

I am certainly glad that things are moving in the right direction of testing and hopefully getting this fixed sooner rather than later.  However, if WM doesn't count as a hit in the first palce, how can it be either weak or normal?  

dthorne04Moderator
Jun 29, 2024, 20:3206/29/24
Jun 29, 2024, 20:37(edited)
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WM certainly counts as a "hit" via dealing damage in many instances, sometimes interfering with block revive effects. It just isn't subject to affinity based and thus debuff related issues via weak hits. That's to the best of my understanding. 

Also I don't think this is a bug but rather just how it works. 

Jun 29, 2024, 20:5406/29/24
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WileyMan

I am certainly glad that things are moving in the right direction of testing and hopefully getting this fixed sooner rather than later.  However, if WM doesn't count as a hit in the first palce, how can it be either weak or normal?  

Be careful what you ask for, the likely "fix" is to have warmaster not proc the debuff...

dthorne04Moderator
Jun 29, 2024, 21:1706/29/24
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Trips

Be careful what you ask for, the likely "fix" is to have warmaster not proc the debuff...

yeah there's no net positive here lol. as things go they're apt to leave the interaction where it messes up block revive but remove ability to place the debuff with WM. :)

harleQuinnModerator
Jun 29, 2024, 22:5806/29/24
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dthorne04

yeah there's no net positive here lol. as things go they're apt to leave the interaction where it messes up block revive but remove ability to place the debuff with WM. :)

Well in this case they specifically say it's not a bug. Therefore you need Warmaster or Giantslayer to proc the hex over cloud.

harleQuinnModerator
Jun 29, 2024, 23:0106/29/24
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WileyMan

I am certainly glad that things are moving in the right direction of testing and hopefully getting this fixed sooner rather than later.  However, if WM doesn't count as a hit in the first palce, how can it be either weak or normal?  

And yeah, WM and Giantslayer counts as hits on things like Sand Devil. Just the way the T6 bonus damage masteries work.

When I tested my Cupidus that I've never had masteries on, no WM to proc the hex over cloud. But all my other cursed champs have it, so they land the debuff.

Basically if you want to land over cloud, you'll need the T6 to do it. :)

harleQuinnModerator
Jun 29, 2024, 23:0306/29/24
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Trips

Be careful what you ask for, the likely "fix" is to have warmaster not proc the debuff...

...yet still wake up Sand Devil haha