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Sep 26, 2023, 14:3009/26/23
Sep 26, 2023, 14:33(edited)
12/16/21
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you need helicaths a3 fully booked.

ideally, but not necessary, you want his a2 to be on a 4 turn cooldown unstead of fully booked to a 3 turn cd so that it stays in sync with his a3


The reason for the delay is that the boss is slower on NM than on UNM. if you open with his a3 it will wear off before the boss does his 2nd aoe


From DWJ's site; how the CB targets. he goes through champs in the order your selected them starting form the leader position, and the first one that gets a yes answer is the one he attacks:


  1. Does the champion have low HP/can he one-shot your champion?
  2. Are they negative affinity?
  3. Does the champion have these buffs on them – Increase Defence, Block Damage, Counterattack, or the Steadfast mastery (the Demon lord considers this as a buff, and it avoids it)
  4. Do they have the lowest percentage max HP remaining of all your team?
  5. Are they in the leader position? 


Edit: to clarify he asks the first question of each champ in order, and if they're all "no"s then he start over with the 2nd question, goes through, repeats until he gets a yes. if he makes it to question 5 he just attacks whoever is in the lead

Sep 26, 2023, 15:0409/26/23
06/25/20
6719

You don't need to worry about stun targeting. Doompriest deals with the stun.

Sep 26, 2023, 15:0609/26/23
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MooredRat

you'll wanna make sure rhazin and draco aren;t using their debuffs on the same turn.

Is your hellcat's a2 fully boooked? 3 turn cd or 4? 4 is better so it will always stay in sync, but if it's 3 you'll want your stun target to be someone either tanky enough or with their own shield to take the hit. i used to use visix in a lifesteal set


Why Bad-el? you don't need healing with block damage, you don't need cleanse with doompriest, and you don't want poisons with draco


I'd go hellcat doompriest draco rhazin fenax, ideally with rhazin as the stun target.

Also, fenax is worth taking to 60 anyway, his a1 block revive is SUPER useful in arena


What time do you hit CB? if you're doing while he's still void that saves the problem of having to adjust for different affinity stun targets

BEK passive is a *massive* damage boost. Don't underestimate that. There's also enough room on the debuff bar to fit poisons from both BEK and Draco. 4 from Draco, 2 from BEK, + DEF Down / Weaken.

Sep 26, 2023, 15:1609/26/23
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But the stun target needs to live through the hit while block damage is down.


Good point about BEKs passive, that totally slipped my mind

Sep 26, 2023, 15:2809/26/23
Sep 26, 2023, 15:29(edited)
02/04/23
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kramaswamy.kr

BEK passive is a *massive* damage boost. Don't underestimate that. There's also enough room on the debuff bar to fit poisons from both BEK and Draco. 4 from Draco, 2 from BEK, + DEF Down / Weaken.

So definitely a four of Heli / Doom / Draco / BEK and then one other from;

Rhazin

Fenax

Ronda

Fayne?

If so, which would potentially work better with the four above?

Sep 26, 2023, 15:3009/26/23
06/25/20
6719

As mentioned earlier, Ronda vs Rhazin is largely a wash. Pick your poison. I'd probably go with whoever is already booked/masteried/etc.

Sep 26, 2023, 15:3409/26/23
02/04/23
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kramaswamy.kr

As mentioned earlier, Ronda vs Rhazin is largely a wash. Pick your poison. I'd probably go with whoever is already booked/masteried/etc.

So you'd go one of those two ahead of Fenax or Fayne?

All are at full mastery level, but none are fully booked yet. 

Ronda has a few books dropped on her, Rhazin none, but Fenax/Fayne will probably be quicker to fully book in the short term being Epic champions as all Legendary skill tomes need to go on Heli for now.

Sep 26, 2023, 15:3909/26/23
12/16/21
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Fayne is generally used for her debuffs, except you've already got them covered. I would go Rhazin, as the rest of the choices all benefit more from higher speeds than he does, imo.

Sep 26, 2023, 15:5709/26/23
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Spike

So you'd go one of those two ahead of Fenax or Fayne?

All are at full mastery level, but none are fully booked yet. 

Ronda has a few books dropped on her, Rhazin none, but Fenax/Fayne will probably be quicker to fully book in the short term being Epic champions as all Legendary skill tomes need to go on Heli for now.

Yes. Even unbooked they'll do more.

Sep 26, 2023, 16:5009/26/23
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WHEN, not if, you have trouble with the tune, we'll help figure out what isn't quite right. :)


(I don't know anyone, myself included, who got their first speed-tuned team working properly on the first try)

Sep 26, 2023, 17:1709/26/23
12/16/21
1217

oh, to elaborate on that, make sure you eneter any speed boosting gear on the DWJ calculator, like 2x speed, 1x perception, and also whether each champ has lore of steel

no masteries that affect turn meter like rapid response or arcane celerity.

no relentless sets or refresh accessories

make sure to include any faction guardian or great hall area speed bonuses

Oct 13, 2023, 20:4010/13/23
Oct 13, 2023, 20:40(edited)
02/04/23
43

Taken a bit of time but slowly getting there with this team and looking for some feedback/advice.

Firstly looking for some advice on my builds and where they need improvement;

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All are fully booked apart from Rhazin who has 2 books on his A2 & 1 on his A3.

Currently doing around 35m damage on NM & only 10m on UNM.

Oct 13, 2023, 20:4510/13/23
02/04/23
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I also have a few other questions;

1) I have 2 speed points in the Great Hall for Clan Boss, is that going to throw things off?

2) Do I need to set any instructions (only instruction atm is stopping Rhazin A3 from triggering)

3) What Blessings will work best. Currently got Cruelty on BEK & Draco, Brimstone on Heli & Phantom Touch on Doom.

Thanks in advance.

Oct 13, 2023, 21:0210/13/23
Oct 13, 2023, 21:06(edited)
06/25/20
6719

In terms of questions 1 and 2 - the answer to both is, follow the tune guide. Plug the speeds in with everything included - you want to look at the character tab and then click the "Total Stats" button, and put the speed you see in there for CB. Then you add auras and set bonuses ontop of that. in terms of instuctions, you put any delays that the tune calls for. Only thing beyond that is - Delay Rhazin A2 by one turn.

For 3, you're almost certainly going to benefit more from Phantom Touch on BEK and Draco. Cruelty just won't do much for you. Here's a quick little chart for you. You can see that even at level 4, Cruelty only gives you about a 6.68% damage increase. Take your actual damage numbers you see, and increase them by that factor, then compare with the amount Phantom Touch yields. It's almost certainly going to be more.

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In terms of your champs - BEK and Doompriest look fine, although I'd try switching their gloves to CR% if you can. Draco needs *way* more ACC - you want him to be at least 200, probably closer to 220, since he benefits so much from it. Rhazin could use more ACC, though he doesn't need quite as much as Draco, since his main job is landing that DEF down + Weaken on the one turn that Draco's drops off. And CR% gloves as well. And Helicath needs ACC to land Brimstone, so if you don't want to gear him with that ACC, switch Brimstone over to someone else instead.

Oct 14, 2023, 00:1010/14/23
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You want everyone to be these speeds AFTER all bonuses, aura, gear, etc


Also, if you haven;t already, lock out rhazins a3. CB is immune to tm redux, and his A1 will do more damage to a single target

Oct 14, 2023, 17:1610/14/23
06/25/20
6719

To be clear, they don't need to be those *exact* speeds. OP, your original post indicates the ranges. Though to be fair, the ranges are pretty tight.

Oct 14, 2023, 20:2810/14/23
02/04/23
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@kramaswamy.kr & @MooredRat thanks for the feedback.

I have increased Dracomorphs ACC to 228 as that was an easy fix.

Will experiment with the Blessings & look at C.RATE gloves.

I have tuned the speeds to the exact requirements, other than Heli who is currently at 248 not 246 (didn't realise there was an exact speed, thought they could be within the ranges at the top of DJs build page).

Just with these couple of changes my UNM damage has doubled from 10m to 20m, will be interesting to see what it does to NM when it resets tomorrow.

Thanks again.

Oct 14, 2023, 20:5510/14/23
12/16/21
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There's a small range for speed for UNM, but if you want the team to also work on nm and brutal the speeds need to be exact