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Sep 22, 2023, 23:1709/22/23
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Slow Hellcat Unkillable help

I'm going to try and build Deadwood Jedis Slow Hellcat Unkillable CB team.

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I have Helicath & Doompriest so that's a good starting point.

First question is would Madame Serris work as the 3 turn Debuff Blocker as she's my only option atm?

Secondly who would you recommend as my 2 DPS for this team? Would Sun Wukong be a good option with his Unbeatable Wukong passive?

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ShortOnSkillzModerator
Sep 22, 2023, 23:3909/22/23
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You dont need a debuff Blocker.  Both are shown as an either or option.  Heli / Doompriest / Draco / Rhazin / BEK would work really well.  Draco covers all your most important debuffs so can really run any DPS alongside him.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Sep 22, 2023, 23:4009/22/23
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I wouldn't use Wukong in CB though.  Hydra and / or arena are gonna be better spots for him.

Sep 22, 2023, 23:4809/22/23
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ShortOnSkillz

You dont need a debuff Blocker.  Both are shown as an either or option.  Heli / Doompriest / Draco / Rhazin / BEK would work really well.  Draco covers all your most important debuffs so can really run any DPS alongside him.

Thanks.

I'm assuming the speeds are critical?

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Sep 23, 2023, 00:0509/23/23
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Spike

Thanks.

I'm assuming the speeds are critical?

The 179 DPS is the most crucial with the tightest range.  Needs to be 179 to work on both NM + UNM, the other speeds have a bit more play but not a ton.  As always double check your setup in the calculator to make sure it's in sync.

Sep 23, 2023, 10:1909/23/23
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ShortOnSkillz

The 179 DPS is the most crucial with the tightest range.  Needs to be 179 to work on both NM + UNM, the other speeds have a bit more play but not a ton.  As always double check your setup in the calculator to make sure it's in sync.

Got some work to do on speeds then. Currently;

Helicath @ 230

Doompriest @ 161

Dracomorph @ 187

Rhazin @ 131

Bad-el-Kazar @ 146

Do I need to drop Dracos speed to 179 to make it work?


ShortOnSkillzModerator
Sep 23, 2023, 10:2909/23/23
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Spike

Got some work to do on speeds then. Currently;

Helicath @ 230

Doompriest @ 161

Dracomorph @ 187

Rhazin @ 131

Bad-el-Kazar @ 146

Do I need to drop Dracos speed to 179 to make it work?


Draco is fine at the 179 spot but you'll need to adjust everyone else's speeds to the correct range too.

Sep 23, 2023, 11:0409/23/23
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ShortOnSkillz

Draco is fine at the 179 spot but you'll need to adjust everyone else's speeds to the correct range too.

Thanks for the help!

Sep 24, 2023, 07:3509/24/23
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The speeds have to be *exact* for it to full auto UNM, NM, *AND* brutal


Monkey is a bad choice because you should never be taking any damage in the first place with that team, so no need for revive


Ronda is a solid choice for DPS; she puts up a TON of poisons in a toxic set


If you have/pull a seeker you could also build the ultimate mythheir 3:1 team to 1-key UNM

Sep 24, 2023, 07:3709/24/23
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Spike

Got some work to do on speeds then. Currently;

Helicath @ 230

Doompriest @ 161

Dracomorph @ 187

Rhazin @ 131

Bad-el-Kazar @ 146

Do I need to drop Dracos speed to 179 to make it work?


oh, and IDK that I would use rhazin for dps if you already have draco bringing weaken and def down.

*I* use Rhazin, and <3 him, but I don't have draco

Sep 24, 2023, 21:4709/24/23
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ShortOnSkillz

You dont need a debuff Blocker.  Both are shown as an either or option.  Heli / Doompriest / Draco / Rhazin / BEK would work really well.  Draco covers all your most important debuffs so can really run any DPS alongside him.

Any reason to run Rhazin over Ronda?

Sep 24, 2023, 21:4709/24/23
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MooredRat

The speeds have to be *exact* for it to full auto UNM, NM, *AND* brutal


Monkey is a bad choice because you should never be taking any damage in the first place with that team, so no need for revive


Ronda is a solid choice for DPS; she puts up a TON of poisons in a toxic set


If you have/pull a seeker you could also build the ultimate mythheir 3:1 team to 1-key UNM

Definitely don't want Ronda in toxic if you're running Draco. Those poisons will block the other useful debuffs.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Sep 25, 2023, 02:0709/25/23
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kramaswamy.kr

Any reason to run Rhazin over Ronda?

Better uptime on DD/W but either or is fine.

Sep 26, 2023, 07:0309/26/23
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MooredRat

oh, and IDK that I would use rhazin for dps if you already have draco bringing weaken and def down.

*I* use Rhazin, and <3 him, but I don't have draco

Out of interest who would you recommend over Rhazin?

Sep 26, 2023, 07:0409/26/23
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kramaswamy.kr

Any reason to run Rhazin over Ronda?

Would you go with Ronda (or someone else) over Rhazin then?

Sep 26, 2023, 09:5209/26/23
Sep 26, 2023, 09:57(edited)
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As someone pointed out above, with Ronda in a toxic set AND Draco on the team you'd flood the debuff bar with poisons and run the risk of not placing weaken.

Even without a toxic set, Cupid, Rhazin and Ronda are all good DPS choices. I would probably stick with Rhazin anyway, just as a straight up slugger, plus supplementing dracos weaken and def down for 100% uptime. Make sure to lockout his A3, against a single target it won't do as much damage as his a1, and CB is immune to tm redux anyway.

Ronda would be better used for arena at significantly higher speeds than you'd need to have her for the slowhellcat comp.


Edit: Fenax locked to just his A1 will also put out a TON of damage because he'll *always* get his second attack

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Sep 26, 2023, 12:0409/26/23
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MooredRat

As someone pointed out above, with Ronda in a toxic set AND Draco on the team you'd flood the debuff bar with poisons and run the risk of not placing weaken.

Even without a toxic set, Cupid, Rhazin and Ronda are all good DPS choices. I would probably stick with Rhazin anyway, just as a straight up slugger, plus supplementing dracos weaken and def down for 100% uptime. Make sure to lockout his A3, against a single target it won't do as much damage as his a1, and CB is immune to tm redux anyway.

Ronda would be better used for arena at significantly higher speeds than you'd need to have her for the slowhellcat comp.


Edit: Fenax locked to just his A1 will also put out a TON of damage because he'll *always* get his second attack

I believe Rhazins AI now will never use his A3 in CB, but I'm a big proponent of set your AI on everyone anyway.

Sep 26, 2023, 13:0809/26/23
Sep 26, 2023, 13:09(edited)
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@MooredRat & @ShortOnSkillz thanks for the advice.

Sorry for all the questions on this one, but it's the first time i've tried to build a speed tuned team.

Working on the Helicath / Doompriest / Draco / Rhazin / Bad-el-Kazar set up, what instructions should I be using or should I leave it on default?

Also are there any skills I should disable, like MooredRat advised to lock out Rhazins A3 (turn meter reduction). 

Sep 26, 2023, 13:4109/26/23
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you'll wanna make sure rhazin and draco aren;t using their debuffs on the same turn.

Is your hellcat's a2 fully boooked? 3 turn cd or 4? 4 is better so it will always stay in sync, but if it's 3 you'll want your stun target to be someone either tanky enough or with their own shield to take the hit. i used to use visix in a lifesteal set


Why Bad-el? you don't need healing with block damage, you don't need cleanse with doompriest, and you don't want poisons with draco


I'd go hellcat doompriest draco rhazin fenax, ideally with rhazin as the stun target.

Also, fenax is worth taking to 60 anyway, his a1 block revive is SUPER useful in arena


What time do you hit CB? if you're doing while he's still void that saves the problem of having to adjust for different affinity stun targets

Sep 26, 2023, 13:5309/26/23
Sep 26, 2023, 13:53(edited)
12/16/21
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oh, and note that on NM, you need to delay helicath's A3 so he uses it on his *second* turn.

and you don;t need it for unm, but if it's spirit affinity on NM or brutal you need a debuff blocker to avoid the speed debuff. i used odachi, who has the added bonus of being a rare for that "fight cb with a rare on your team' daily quest

Sep 26, 2023, 14:1109/26/23
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@MooredRat that's a lot to take on lol.

I only recently got Helicath so he is low on books atm (3/5 on A1, 3/6 on A2 & 1/3 on A3).

This team, including BEK, was suggested to me at the top of the post when asking for recommendations.

How would I go about making Rhazin the stun target and how necessary is it?

I always try to the hit CB early so is still in standard form.

What's the reasononing on not using Heli's A3 first go and is this just for the first rotation or the full battle? Presumably I would then want his A2 to trigger first and should I set any other instructions for any of the champs?