BiohazarD said:

Drogar61 said:

Juglar del Viento said:

Hi Lord Drogard

im going to answer you. the bank was empty. next step is for a level 62 bank arround 29M to fill it. so in serveral bgs donwgraded to yellow and didnt finish them. once the 29M was spent the pic shows the last hit to get the desired payout on that level 62.

second task may mean that the highest bg and rune bg is a level 63, so this is one 62, the second high

hope this can solve your questions.

Regards.

Ty, for your answer, but if can tell us answer on two/three more (for many players could be very important) questions:

How did you reset bank? With getting big payout or with solving Rune BG on lvl 62 or ...?

You spent 29M. In resources? Calculated with or without food?

And if you can reveal two more missunderstandings:

Does Eldrich unit worth same as normal unit of same type?

Are dead troops and payout(s) from BG QUESTS involved in bank calculation or not?

Regards

All resources (including food) count the same for bg loading.  So any values are assumed to include food, iron, and gold. 

eldrich units are worth the same as regular units, but have higher power, so you're better off saving them for pvp. 

the units lost fighting the bgs that give eldrich troops are not counted towards the bank. 

Thank you Biohazard that is some very reliable advice which has answered a lot of questions for many :)

Juglar, the troops have stayed the same, but the amount of troops my units kills that i sent has decreased by 10%, i have been doing the maths every single time i send my units and this should be a problem addressed as Plarium have not stated these changes but they have occurred.

Lord DROGAR61:

“HOW DID YOU RESET BANK? WITH GETTING BIG PAYOUT OR WITH SOLVING RUNE BG ON LVL 62 OR ...?”

I stimate my bank is reset when I get a big payout and my winnings – my looses are nearest to zero, although always remains a litte amount in my bank

“ARE DEAD TROOPS AND PAYOUT(S) FROM BG QUESTS INVOLVED IN BANK CALCULATION OR NOT?”

If you are reffering to mission BG or Rune Bg (the highest bg in your nest) yes you have to involved in bank looses and winnings.

if you are reffering to saga quest bgs, no your looses are not goint to your bank and your winnings neither.

Lord TIMMYBOY

“THIS UPDATE HAS ALSO INCREASED THE COST OF SAGA QUESTS, YOU WILL NOW BE REQUIRED TO LOSE 10% MORE TROOPS FOR THE SAME SAGA REWARD.”

im on my level 12 saga quest and i can sure you that the troops are inside the defensive bg are now the same that before the update

Regards

Edit and i complete with my numbers of one last payout:

Loses--> 22.892.594 in resources including food

winnings--> 22.228.150 in a payout

difference--> -604.444 .... now my bank is reset (or almost) but also i consider that in my bank still remains that amount and have to involve it on construct my new bank.

Regards

Drogar61 said:

Juglar del Viento said:

Hi Lord Drogard

im going to answer you. the bank was empty. next step is for a level 62 bank arround 29M to fill it. so in serveral bgs donwgraded to yellow and didnt finish them. once the 29M was spent the pic shows the last hit to get the desired payout on that level 62.

second task may mean that the highest bg and rune bg is a level 63, so this is one 62, the second high

hope this can solve your questions.

Regards.

Ty, for your answer, but if can tell us answer on two/three more (for many players could be very important) questions:

How did you reset bank? With getting big payout or with solving Rune BG on lvl 62 or ...?

You spent 29M. In resources? Calculated with or without food?

And if you can reveal two more missunderstandings:

Does Eldrich unit worth same as normal unit of same type?

Are dead troops and payout(s) from BG QUESTS involved in bank calculation or not?

Regards

All resources (including food) count the same for bg loading.  So any values are assumed to include food, iron, and gold. 

eldrich units are worth the same as regular units, but have higher power, so you're better off saving them for pvp. 

the units lost fighting the bgs that give eldrich troops are not counted towards the bank. 

tariq said:

how to enlarge it lord oberon when u don,t have enought troops for ur raids 

these small payout,s are reseting the bank

Lord Tariq

my advice is if you are outs of troops build the enough for raiding first infantry to raid small castles to get resources for building some wiverns to raid. you also can use deff troops to raid. then begint to build your army for bgs, palas or pathfinders, great lords or reavers, deff ocults to bank in bgs.

you have to consider the most efficiecy way to get big payouts from bgs is taking notes from your last big payout and what have you spend since that.

for example, you get a big payout of 26 millions in a bg. now you have to begin to construct your bank. how do you construct your bank??

first, you have to add a tax to that payout and it goes from 1% to 12.5% plus you have to add to that payout, so now you have to construct your bank spending 26M + 3.250.000 (i always bank the 12.5% more to be sure) total 29.250.000 to spend.

well, begin to yellow all bgs you have till the moment you have reached that amound. imagine you have done all and you see you have spent 30 millions of resources in bgs. Now is the moment you have to look for one bg in which you can get a big payout.

you notice that you have a level 63 bg which needs 29.200.000 banked to pay. so you finish it and you receive your big payout.

process begins again. you now need to construct your bank with the new payment + 12.5%.

If in the proccess of banking you finish a bg and it payouts a small amount, consider that you have to add that small payout + 12.5% to the bank. I mean in the example:

you have to bank 29.250.000 and while yellowing you finish a bg and it pays 1.000.000. now you have to bank 30.375.000 (29.250.000 + (1.000.000 + 12.5%)).

Hope this can help you

regards

Lord Oberon said:

My Lord sartajaziz, you shouldn't despair in the face of difficulties. Battlegrounds are one of the most complicated activities in Stormfall. Though, by choosing the right strategy, you can benefit from the new system no less than from the old one. You have already tested it to find some aspects and algorithms that work on you. Don't stop this process and enlarge your knowledge with the help of other Lords and Ladies.

Curiosity and bravery trigger your experience!

So in his case, sit build units for a month before try do a BG again, for a possible reward. Is good game play ? or good way to retain your players?

Gamers need to feel they get rewarded for investing time and effort (sometimes saphires). If it just feels like a total drain on your time, effort with little returns, there is other games out there that is more tempting to play. And with the draft of players you have, this is very obvious.

My Lord sartajaziz, you shouldn't despair in the face of difficulties. Battlegrounds are one of the most complicated activities in Stormfall. Though, by choosing the right strategy, you can benefit from the new system no less than from the old one. You have already tested it to find some aspects and algorithms that work on you. Don't stop this process and enlarge your knowledge with the help of other Lords and Ladies.

Curiosity and bravery trigger your experience!

Thankyou for listening:)

@Lord Camulos 

In order to suit both newbies and experienced players we are going to remove the 30% unit retreat from the Battlegrounds. This should allow the first to save their troops at early game stages and the other ones to fill in their bank.

We have launched a corresponding poll here

Given that

1)the battleground bank remains the same

2)the code has been developed for the new payout system

3)presumably the code for the old system is still known..

Could there be an option to switch between the systems? The new may be useful to players either early on, or at other times when rebuilding troops and you still want some tournament points from the battlegrounds. However, most players would clearly prefer the intermittent larger payouts.

If the system is being looked at as a whole, could we remove resource payouts, as other players have suggested?

Perhaps also the troop type paid out (infantry/cavalry/occult/ bestiary) could be linked to the size of bank relative to the minimum bank for a payout at the level of battleground completed, with the bank bar visible as suggested in other posts

I am not happy with the new system.  I can't feel that getting 5 archers and 2 pikes for a reward on a level 29 bg is adequate after I lost 500 pallies taking it.  It may even out about the time my 1 year-old granddaughter graduates from high school, but right now, I think the new system is horrible.

GinAcre

Shashachar said:

and please someone from plarium answer us not the moderators, they are just pawns in this game so admin wake up please

Plarium have already answered your questions. There is no reason for them to repeat it again here.

"fewer giant rewards"

If you collect any of the guaranteed rewards then you will receive fewer giant rewards - If you refuse to collect guaranteed rewards then nothing has changed..... unless secret changes have been made to bg strength etc.

You can still get your giant rewards by refusing to complete any bg until your resource bank is full.

There is, however, a random element to battleground rewards which can delay your reward, so it is virtually impossible to completely avoid the guaranteed rewards.

p.s. What is wrong with the font on this forum? Why is caps lock always on and how do we switch it off?

Timmyboy said:

Juglar, the troops have stayed the same, but the amount of troops my units kills that i sent has decreased by 10%, i have been doing the maths every single time i send my units and this should be a problem addressed as Plarium have not stated these changes but they have occurred.

I cant be sure but I noticed that -10% (or close to that number) about two days before this BG changes. As bug when some of reliquaries doesnt work. Something was changed for me, too.

Juglar del Viento said:

Lord DROGAR61:

...

TY. Check my answer to Biohazard. Finally we explained Bank Reset. It is almost reset.

My main problem is unknown payment provision in old system, and I believe that it would be in new system.
Also, I beleive that we killed imagination about gain awards in BG battles. We're talking about losts. In resources. Could we gain benefits depends of finaly units power.

If Plarium wants to help players then it should to give more (much much more) benefits of BG battles (same as for PVP battles). At first place, in sapps, Legendary units (return them in payouts) and Eldrich units (also with choice for Dragons and Griffins).

And dont talk about balance in the game - Game has no balance form early days/start - many today players dont know that we received 50 sapphires on every 5 days. In every change Plarium reduced the essential parts of prizes and adding meaningless, further destroying the previous effort most faithful players (such as Paragon points, which are now meaningless, and were extremely cost).

I'm frustated too, as many other "old" players because of the change way (overnight).

Show us that you are not greedy and be sensitive to our expectations.

Give us your explanations (much better than as it is now) and do not insult our intelligence (as now) because this game we pretty well understand.

It is clear that this is a game for the players and for Plarium business, and it is completely OK that we spend some money, but make better that relationship, what we can gain for our money. Soon, no one will want to spend their units because it is almost impossible to make them after you lost them in less than 3 months. That's pointless. If we could give more for same money - make offers with 1/10 of current prize, and you will get more money, we would easier spend them and everyone will be more happy.

Four examples:

• The stronger player and winner in PVP battles can lose more than a defeated player.
• The value of the provision (commision) on 90+ BG level is greater than I can produce for 7 days (to be clear, I produce maximum accelerated units and have Paragon 10). On the level 100, I need almost 2 weeks just to make lost provision.
• I can loose 2-3M (in strength) units in ONE PVP battle. I need about 7-12 weeks to produce them (the fastest way) without additional sapps.
• All that you can get from Legions of Darkshrine IV you have chance to loose as provision on 100. BG level!

Balanced? No.

Regards