ANYONE said:

Thanks again for the long explanation, and the results of your experience which will be of use to many players.

I maintain, that my suggestion, that the drop of Lynx gear from either of the invaders suggested is not guaranteed.

Yes these invaders have this item, but it is possible to keep hitting these invaders and get something else or nothing at all, which is why sometimes it takes so long to get the materials needed to make legendary equipment.

Whatever drops is completely random, whatever the odds might be, as for example with tossing a coin, the odds are 50/50,but,it's possible that  you can never get a specific side, because every time the coins flipped, its a new flip, and the coin doesn't know what it did before.

I have been doing a lot of dismantling of dragon rings lately, where you can get either elixir or a diamond back,ideally the stock returned would be balanced  to make it easier to reforge more, but often its not. 

I haven't actually counted  the amount of things that an uber can drop, but it think its considerably more than 20 different items.

As to attacking invaders naked, there is no option to do otherwise until you get enough material to forge some.

It is true to say that there is an element of luck and skill and other gaming factors  that can speed up gathering the hero's experience and gear which will be different for other players.

It is very hard to talk with you "Anyone".

You seem to have convinced yourself that you are right.

No matter what I say - You believe you are right.

You say you are maintaining your suggestion.

I'm trying to tell you the suggestion your maintaining isn't right?.

My Invader Research is maxed.

Your Invader Research isn't maxed. 

I don't understand why you believe you are right when you know your Research isn't maxed.

Don't you realize RNG doesn't exist?

I have 10 billion energy on my account.

Just think about that.

I will go on a Crusade and kill every Invader in my Kingdom.

There will be no Invaders left standing, until I get the materials I want.

I will have Hero Offense Buff

I will have Double Summon to attack with 2 heroes.

My hero name is Grim Reaper.

He leaves nothing, but death in his quake.

Do you really think RNG will have any influence?

It's not a question of "IF" the materials drop.

It's a question of "WHEN" will the materials drop.

Will it take me 1 hour or 2 hours or 1 day?

I will attack, until it is mine!

This is why I keep telling you the Ubers are the best, but not when your looking for a specific material.

If you are looking for a specific material, You should attack the Regular Invader.

Let's be very clear - I am not the first person to tell you the above statements which I have highlighted.

A player told you the same exact thing 1 year ago on this thread.

Laird Brini - July 17 2019 - He has 3 upvotes because what he is saying is true!

I don't know this person - I have never met this person before in my life.

They have come to the same conclusion as me.

I'm trying to help you change your thinking.

Obviously, you are free to go down any path you wish to go down.

I just thought you was trying to find information on what the right path was.

It really doesn't matter if you are right, or if you are wrong, you can play the game however you want to, but you cant make others play like you do if they don't want to,or cant,because they don't have the amount of energy you claim to have.

Efficiency ,which is what I was requesting the answer to,is redundant if you have millions to spare.

I don't necessarily disagree that ubers are good, though not as good as they once were.

We are only here , because another player posted to my original question,and you came in with your input.

Its no good telling me what I already knew about ubers and not answering the question I asked , but answering the question you wanted to, that's how exams are failed.

It doesn't matter how good ubers are if you haven't the energy to attack them,and are just wanting to make the most of the energy available and current game status.

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ANYONE said:

It really doesn't matter if you are right, or if you are wrong, you can play the game however you want to, but you cant make others play like you do if they don't want to,or cant,because they don't have the amount of energy you claim to have.

Efficiency ,which is what I was requesting the answer to,is redundant if you have millions to spare.

I don't necessarily disagree that ubers are good, though not as good as they once were.

We are only here , because another player posted to my original question,and you came in with your input.

Its no good telling me what I already knew about ubers and not answering the question I asked , but answering the question you wanted to, that's how exams are failed.

It doesn't matter how good ubers are if you haven't the energy to attack them,and are just wanting to make the most of the energy available and current game status.

If energy was no object , I would definitely not  worry about wasting it, and would attack ubers, even without maxing invader knowledge,as it wouldn't be necessary.

Efficiency is the state or quality of being efficient.

Efficient is achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense.

I have shared with you the definitions of the word Efficiency & Efficient.

Both words have nothing to do with whether or not a person has millions of energy to spare or not.

The words represent a person striving to do the best they can with what is available to them while being mindful of the cost.

The fact I have millions of energy only gives me another perceptive.

Some days, I use tons of Energy Refills.

I attack different monsters to see which one gives me the best things.

Other days, I chose not to use any Energy Refills.

It could be due to a lot of reasons as to why I wouldn't use my Energy Refills.

Maybe, the Game has invaders which I don't need materials from.

Maybe, I am busy doing something in real life and don't have the time to use a lot of Energy Refills.

Days like these - I only use the energy which is available to me.

The energy which the game restores naturally on my account.

I know what it is like to not have energy.

I know what it is like to have energy.

Regardless of the situation, I still strive to be Efficient.

As far as failing an exam, The truth is everyone on this thread has answered your question.

The answer they gave was a subtle answer which you refused to accept.

What invader gives the best value? Ubers

You know this answer.

Everyone has told you this answer.

You refused to accept this answer.


Than you asked a question.

I would now like to know how to get the best materials from L.5 invaders?

You can't get the best materials or value from L.5 Invaders.

The best materials & value comes from Ubers which is what everyone has already told you.

They were answering your question is a very subtle way.

In fact, I want to rehearse this thread.

Sometimes, it can be very helpful to hear another person retelling a thread.

You started the thread 1 year - You said how do I get the best Value.

-------> They flocked to your thread - YOU NEED TO ATTACK UBERS FOR BEST VALUE!

-------> The OP made an excuse - I can't attack Ubers - My research isn't high enough.

-------> They told you to stop what your doing - GET YOUR INVADER RESEARCH MAXED - THAN ATTACK UBERS!

-------> The OP made another excuse - I don't have enough energy.

-------> They told you to save energy - SO YOU CAN ATTACK UBERS.

--------> The OP ignored them all and asked them what invader should he attack in the meantime

--------> They told you - You can attack any other Garbage Invader you want - IT DOESN'T MATTER

--------> UBERS ARE THE BEST BABY - If you want to succeed, You attack Ubers!

---------> Threads goes dead for 1 year

---------> Players comes back - Says you know what? - Out of all the garbage invaders - level 1 invaders not so bad.

---------> Attacking level 1 invaders can help you unlock the "On The Hunt Achievement"

---------> "On the Hunt Achievement" can give you more gold so you can attack MORE UBERS!

---------> Players come to the revived thread - Yeah, what your saying is solid advice

---------> The OP of the thread comes back to the thread - He askes a new question

---------> The OP ask the question How do I extract value from level 5 invaders?

---------> They flocked to the OP thread again - YOU NEED TO ATTACK UBERS!

---------> The OP made an excuse - I can't attack Ubers - My research isn't high enough.

---------> They you to stop what your doing - GET YOUR INVADER RESEARCH MAXED - THAN ATTACK UBERS! 

--------> The OP made another excuse - You people just don't understand - I don't have enough energy.

-------> They told you to save energy - SO YOU CAN ATTACK UBERS.

--------> THE OP THROWS HIS HANDS IN THE AIR

--------> The OP says I just don't understand why people don't want to answer my question.

--------> Player J comes to the thread to save the day! 

--------> Player J says they have answered your question a million times - The answer is always the same!

--------> ATTACK THE UBERS!

The game has designed the Ubers to carry special items.

You will never get any of those special items, unless you attack an Uber.

You can't extract anything of real value from any of the other invaders.

The game hasn't programmed the other invaders to give tons of value.

The Uber Invaders are special!

You have been playing for 1 year.

I have been playing for 3 weeks - I'm a beginner

You are the veteran player - You should be aware of all of this

You should be explaining it to me - Not the other way around.

The first research I maxed out was Invader research.

I listened to the veteran players telling me to max out the Invader Research.

It cost me 0 dollars to max out my Invader Research.

I used the Gold from my Achievements to get Speed ups

The team I am in is very coordinated - We help each other do big upgrades - We all send resources to the person.

Anyone is able to do this with out spending money.

However, Shaman Research is another beast of its own.

The First Research I finished was Invader

The Second Research I am trying to finish is Shaman.

The Shaman Research is the worst!

I had to buy the month subscription of resources.

My team was sending me billions of resources.

It was still not enough resources!

1 Upgrade = 1 Billion of each resource = 700 weeks to finish the upgrade.

Though my follow up question is still of interest to me.

After this I am pretty much done with your tedious responses.

Your rehearsal, is totally out of synchronisation with what actually happened.

In my opening post,I never meant to ask what was the best of any  invader to attack. I subsequently said I choose a bad title for it . 

The intended question was:

 What is the best invader to attack of levels 1-4.when to switch ,when you have maxed out the invader knowledge as far as L.4

The follow up question, a year later, was prompted by someone posting on this page,otherwise I would have started a new question elsewhere.

When I posted the original question, I already knew all about uber invaders. 

I didn't need  any one else then, or you now, telling me to forget about normal invaders and go for uber invaders instead.

No..

If I ask how to get the best materials from  L.5 that's the question I want answering, not someone answering 'attack ubers instead'.

ANYONE said:

Though my follow up question is still of interest to me.

After this I am pretty much done with your tedious responses.

Your rehearsal, is totally out of synchronisation with what actually happened.

In my opening post,I never meant to ask what was the best of any  invader to attack. I subsequently said I choose a bad title for it . 

The intended question was:

 What is the best invader to attack of levels 1-4.when to switch ,when you have maxed out the invader knowledge as far as L.4

The follow up question, a year later, was prompted by someone posting on this page,otherwise I would have started a new question elsewhere.

When I posted the original question, I already knew all about uber invaders. 

I didn't need  any one else then, or you now, telling me to forget about normal invaders and go for uber invaders instead.

No..

If I ask how to get the best materials from  L.5 that's the question I want answering, not someone answering 'attack ubers instead'.

Here is fruit for thought:

What you meant to ask vs. what you did ask are 2 very different things.

You created a post with a title which said "Invaders which level give the best value."

You created a comment right after which had same follow up question.

3 different people came to your thread answering your question.

Than & only than did you say you made an "Error" You say you meant to say something else.

But it is to late - The reader has already read everything else previously.

From a reader perspective, It just seems as if you are asking a new question.

And that is what my rehearsal demonstrates.

My rehearsal isn't out of sync.

You are the one not looking at the situation at face value.

You are the one not taking responsibility for what you said previously.

You can ignore it all you want, but it doesn't change the perspective from the reader.

Anyway, It doesn't matter.

I think the invaders are the easiest thing in the game to figure out.

Anyone can figure them out pretty fast.

 I said I was done, but you are still wrong.still tedious

Uber isn't a level,  its a type ,it isn't designated a level.

My OP was open to possible interpretation, but it does clearly state, and asks "which level?" and the text talks about level.

Of course  widening of the brief, and going astray of the topic,or doing as you did, and answering the question you wanted to answer , rather than answering the question that was asked,is always a possibility..

Clearly anyone answering a thread ought to read the whole thread and not just respond to the last comment therein.

Again still NO.

Several responded to the O.P. 

Then

In my 2nd post.

I didn't admit to guilt over the title, and it was meant to clarify the O.P. and not ask an additional ,or new question.

It was in my 3rd post where, still admitting no actual guilt that I suggested I might have thought out the title and post in a better manner.

Where as far as  I can see ,there were no additional questions,just additional comments.

Additionally 

When you criticised John over his comment/suggestion about not attacking Uber until invader knowledge was highly progressed,or finished,it was misplaced.

As John would be unaware of your exact circumstances, it was not directed at you personally,except in that: 

Players shouldn't tell others to do what they themselves can do, or did.

This is because the ones you offer the advice to may not have progressed in the same manner,so as often is the case a do 'X' or especially where uber are concerned, 

a blank 'kill uber' is bad advice. 

Given the following information.

Palace 20, and all available invader research finished, except opening up level 5.

Going to palace 21(to open up the rest of the research to level 10) and opening up invaders level 5, will take about the same time.

In the meantime,which level of of invader should I be attacking ?

This was the question over a year ago now.

It has only been revived for two reasons.

1.Someone posted here. 

2.The question has changed a little.

The hero  now has advanced to L 5  and completed invader knowledge to maximum available for palace 20.

So the parameters have changed to now include L.5.

The focus being the invader materials as advantageously as possible.

Thanks.