Question 1: Why do you force this update on us without giving us any say in it?

Question 2: Can we have a vote?

I would like to propose Plarium makes a voting topic. And then add a news message with a link to said topic.

They will let this topic run for say hmmm 1 week.

3 vote options:

1: Keep the new infest system

2: Return the old infest system

3: Neutral

If the outcome is at least 51% for any option 1 or 2 that gets implemented.

Would be a great show of respect towards the long time players and give us the feeling they are listening to us players

Question 3: The smaller payouts mean you will be able to kill less infests meaning the game will only get even slower. Buildtimes have already been increased, research times have been increased, it already takes quite long to just build troops in the buildmenu. Why are you making this game so terribly slow. This is quite frankly only making the bar higher and less interesting for newer and older players. 

Question 4: The Infest system is a direct copy paste from Geotopia where it was also met with negative response. Why put the exact same system here without any changes to it so that it might actually be an improvement

Question 5: You claim you are doing this for balance reasons, but we all know that for example the TT-18 unit is overpowered and we have provided proof.

You chose to ignore that valid claim yet now you reconfigure infests for "balance". Isn't that a bit silly?

Question 6: If people send units to an infest they send them because they want them gone. Why change that so we now have to resend the troops that return? If I send units to an infest I do not want them back, period. 

Question 7: If you wanted a new infest system due to our complaints, why not ask the player base how we would have liked to see infests, instead of going on the blind guess that dev's who do not even play the game or even use a testserver that we would want this new system?

Question 8: There already was negative feedback BEFORE you even implemented this new system, in the a thread (that's now closed) some of which was from people playing on Geotopia. So you knew this implementation would be met with very negative feedback, yet you chose to ignore the input of the players and implemented it anyway. Why?

Question 9: When will you implement or change something the community asks for? For infests I am pretty sure there were some suggestion in the suggestion section yet this is also completely ignored.

Question 10: Why do you not make a specific guide to infests, their costs, their payouts, everything basically.

Yes there was a player made wiki. But with something as complex as infests which are an integral part of this game, I think the gamemaker has the responsiblity to provide the details needed not some vague descriptions, but cold hard numbers and statistics.

I think these are valid questions and you might like them being asked, but I am being polite here and I think we deserve the answers.

- Rhylian

Commander Rhylian, we respect our players and the updates that we make are meant for the game improvement. Please don't doubt, our engineers know what they do. That's why no updates will be released if there are doubts in their practicality.

The reason behind there has been no option to vote for/against this Update is that we have thoroughly analyzed a huge amount of data that proves the system works for the Commanders. We won't return to the old system as this is a step back, we intend to move forward.

It's true, New Infestation System was firstly released at Facebook server, where a negative feedback was observed. However, we have been monitoring the players' feedback over a couple of weeks and eventually decided to minimize travel time to the Infested sites which resolves most of concerns of Commanders. BTW, decreasing of travel time was a suggestion of our player, which also proves that we tend to keep the game balanced while hearing the voices of the Commanders that would like to take part in the development of the game. Now the situation has been changed, as our players had enough time to test the system and see the positive results. We also collected statistics data which shows that both newbies and experienced Commanders can succeed in this activity.

We consider not to change the function of returning troops from the infestations in case of any possible failure as this implies a huge change in whole scheme. Still we truly believe that the new system is pretty straightforward and comprehensible. We do hope it won't take much time for players to get used to such feature and make a new strategy based on it.
Again, we are here to collect players' ideas, suggestions and feedback and address them accordingly rather than ignore it. On our part, we ask you to try the Update thoroughly.

Again, we never ignore our players' ideas, suggestions and feedback. On our part, we ask you to try the Update before judging it.

All players have a different progress in the Infestation activity, that's why some of Commanders can get good payouts almost from the start of the new system, the other ones need to hit more infestations.

You remember huge payouts for the infests, but you should also remember that they were a rare thing. Now you get the guaranteed payouts for Infestations, though in smaller portions. This brings more balance to the Infestation aspect of the game. If you calculate all the rewards received using a new system, you will see almost the same value which is divided into several parts.

oliv said:

General, huge reward were rare? Really? Not in my experience of the game if job was done the right way. And not in the experience of daily infest playing commander.

Commander, if you are an experienced Infest player, it won't be hard for you to succeed using a new system.

That last part maybe true but here is the problem:

It is doable to have enough offense to kill 4 lvl 100 infests if 1 in 4 pays out (average of 4.5m to 6m per infest so a total of  20m offense maximum needed).

Now try doing that with 10 infests when you don't get enough payouts to do one after the 4th. It's impossible.

You would need 10 infests times 6m maxmium = 60 million - 10 times 10% payouts = 54 million maximum. Unrealistic tbh.

4 infests will not payout enough troops to kill 5-10. So you slow down the amount of infests we can kill. This is not balance this is simpy slowing down the game even further which is something I already mentioned and you didn't adress. Why are you constantly slowing down each and every aspect of the game?

On the vote: well I think the reason is that if you actually did allow Geotopia us and Sparta to vote ... the outcome would be a removal. 

And not because going back would be a step backward but quite frankly THIS new system is a step backwards.

You claim to collect data, ho about you collect opnions instead as again the devs and you do NOT play this game, we do. 

We see the consquences and you quite frankly see numbers which pretty mean very little to someone that doesn't play the game, sorry but that is a fact.

Just because you add a single small suggestion to the game doesn't mean you do not ignore 99% of our input.

All the updates we have gotten so far have had like what 5% player input?

Sorry but engineers deciding if updates should be pushed is silly.

They have no real in game knowledge as you also do not have a testserver (which is something most games actually have).

How can someone without actual ingame knowledge be trusted to know the exact effects of an update? They simply cannot.

You want to move forward? Do it with the players. Don't just walk al;l over their opinion and force your updates down their throat.

There are reasons why people say something will not work.

You may be able to pull up some numbers, we actually experience it day by day.

Which is something you nor your developpers actually do.

The game speed is slowing down more and more, which quite frankly makes the game less and less interesting.

I currenly have a 4 month building que. I already needed 3 months for a single infests lvl 100 to build in units.

You have now mulitplied that by 2.5 (4 months vs 10 months) so that comes down to 7.5 months of building units before the result is the same as

what we had with the old system. How does that make it better? Don't give a me one of those vague answers. I want a real answer.

And I'd like you to adress all my questions and not pick and answer whatever you want to answer, because sorry that is what you are doing.

On top of that do not constantly force players to change their playing style with each and every update. That is not progress, that is just changing things because you have run out of real solutions.

Also how can you claim to listen to our input if you are just going to enforce each and every new update without any changes and make it clear that you do not intend to make any changes to it?

Also where are the promised ways to get construction packs through other means (yes you said this)

Where are the promised ways to use echelon points if you are capped (yep also said)

You have had 6 months of 2015 to do that. Still nothing in sight of promises you made.

So tell me how can we have any faith in you?

And let me be "brutal" here: this is how much you really know about the game

http://prntscr.com/7q9kni

THIS IS ALREADY NOT TRUE.

It does NOT reduce creditconsumption in ANY way

The financial corp RAISES the amount of credits you get by 25%.

This 25% is by the way applied to the BASE amount of what all your vaults make together (so it doesn't stack with other bonuses aka get bonus upon bonus, but you get each bonus calculated to the base amount of the vaults and then it is added together)

Now if you already make a mistake like that ... how much faith can we put into you actually knowing anything about the effects of things on this game at all?

Update: Great travel time has been reduced.

Guess what? It is nullified by the fact that I have to send my units FIVE times to the same infest again because it keeps returning them.

How does that improve anything?

This was on a lvl 70 infest that wasn't even red. 

Seriously that is not an improvement in any way ...

But well you already made it abundantly clear that you are not going to change it anyway -_-

Commander Rhylian, stick to the subject of this topic, please. We are talking about the Infestations right now.

General T. Winters said:

Commander Rhylian, stick to the subject of this topic, please. We are talking about the Infestations right now.

It is all connected ....

Because you do and say one thing it affects other things -_-

Anyways can I get an explanation why I have to resend the left overs five times now to an infest and how that is better?

Commander oliv, I guess you are talking about this text:

This only applies if the fight is close. - this means that if you send a group of troops and you're not sure who will win, the forces are pretty evenly matched.
If you send a group of troops which is obviously weaker than Morgana's horde, you won't be able to save at least some part of your army.

Not true.

The lvl 70 infest was RED. This means the fight was NOT close.

http://prntscr.com/7q9uq3

Here is the infest now at orange.

No I did not send anywhere near enough to kill it this is AFTER I had to resend 100K offense FIVE times to the same infest.

So no it wasn't a close fight. 

No the travel time is now combined larger (5 times 1 minute VS one time 2-3 minutes)

Completely agree with decay. Give us the exact formula and guide on how to hit infests. Even if this new infest system is good (ha), it will take weeks for players to figure it out, which is extremely frustrating.

Commanders, if you want to play a strategy game, don't wait for ready answers. Total Domination is about finding your own way to win.

Can I get a reply to my post tyvm? Because it is not working as advertised already.

You claim I would not have to resend units if the remaining troops in the infests were way stronger then the amount I actually send.

Turns out I had to resend them FIVE times.

Rather misleading don't you agree?

Does anyone actually enjoy losing troops while trying to figure out what numbers Plarium changed? The part I like about strategy games is the clan bonding, teamwork aspect of emitters and territory, setting traps for players, massive raids, etc. NOT trying to figure out how a MAJOR part of the game works.

The general keeps asking for feedback and then he sends a big **** ** in response to everything we address, or simply ignores what people bring up

Gen Winters, why don't you open up your sector to player attacks... lets see how many players will attack you in protest - at least that will be fun - unlike the new long and drawn out infests you have created...  I got some nukes with your name on them - and yes, i will buy more for you...

General T Winters

I had over 150 Million resources sitting in the infest bank.

Did the update delete my investment or is my 150 million still in there ?

krasbauer said:

Does the infest Bank even exist anymore ? or is it so simple right now, you just attack and hope to get a good reward ?

The bank system still exists, it has just been changed a bit.  and anything you had loaded before is still in the bank, you just have to load more in order to get a full payout now. 

Well here's a question, Why did you delete my post's ????

"Now, you will save some of your troops if you lose a battle against Morgana. Sure, it’s not enough of an army to mount another attack right away, but it’s still better than losing after walking into a mutant ambush you weren’t prepared for!"

General, why is this feature introduced in the game at all ? It makes our gaming experience even worst. I send my units at infest to die so i can load the bank, i dont want to sit hours in front of a single infest just to resend the surviving units back until they die. How is this improving our experience in the game ?

Out of curiosity, how many lvl 100 infests have you killed in this game General ? How long does it take for you to build and load 200mill resources into the infest so you can take a full payout and after that have some actual fun into the game. 

Thanks in advance for taking time and answering my questions.

SNOWWHITE said:

"Now, you will save some of your troops if you lose a battle against Morgana. Sure, it’s not enough of an army to mount another attack right away, but it’s still better than losing after walking into a mutant ambush you weren’t prepared for!"

 

General, why is this feature introduced in the game at all ? It makes our gaming experience even worst. I send my units at infest to die so i can load the bank, i dont want to sit hours in front of a single infest just to resend the surviving units back until they die. How is this improving our experience in the game ?

Out of curiosity, how many lvl 100 infests have you killed in this game General ? How long does it take for you to build and load 200mill resources into the infest so you can take a full payout and after that have some actual fun into the game. 

 

Thanks in advance for taking time and answering my questions.

General winters is an admin, he doesn't build troops he just requisitions them :P

For the rest of us, the most you can build and load is 800k resources per day without crystals, or 1.2 million per day including elite excals and dizzys, which costs about 400 crystals per day. 

Orcus, that must be one hell of a seriously dangerous chimera. The latest addition of plarium, a chimera on steroids ?

@Bio, sweetheart,.. i already know that, i was only wondering about General's personal experience with this stuff in game, since he keeps telling us that this new updates are for our own personal good. So, i thought why not the General share some of his personal experience in the game and show us from which point of view this new updates are good for us, perhaps we are missing something.

General, I hope you will at least answer my question why is that feature with the undying troops introduced in the game, and what are the gains from having it (apart from wasting our time).