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23 черв. 2016, 17:4023.06.16
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Commanders, the reward system on Locations has been updated!

Commanders, the reward system on Locations has been updated. Let us take a closer look at the essentials to crack that nut once and for all.


IMPORTANT: The following applies only to new Locations, i.e. the ones you have not engaged yet.


1. Why did we decide to update the system?

We have always received a lot of complains that Locations “don’t work” or “work badly” or that “the rewards have changed”. Some players feel that the way rewards are issued is unfair when they see other players’ screenshots of big rewards. One of the major problems is that some Commanders can lose their entire armies before they get a decent reward. This is especially true for new players that do not have enough expertise with Locations or more experienced players that engage higher level Locations where the intervals between good rewards are significantly longer compared to that on lower level ones. We have made a decision to adjust the reward algorithm so nobody finds themselves in such stressful situations.


2. What will happen to my current progress?

Nothing. Again, your current progress will not be affected in any way. None of your efforts were futile.


3. Why do I get smaller rewards when suffering big losses?

From now on, you will be receiving a reward each and every time you win. It is time to say “Goodbye” to Locations not yielding any rewards! The Syndicate’s scientists are convinced that every victory must be rewarded! Smaller rewards do NOT mean that your Units were lost for nothing: any victory may reveal that there was a huge army held captive at the Location you have just conquered!

While under the old system you would be left empty-handed, now you will receive a guaranteed smaller reward (we mean Units!). Additionally, if you win on 10 Locations, the cumulative reward will be slightly bigger than before.


4. How will smaller, more frequent rewards affect the regular reward algorithm?

You will need to win at slightly more Locations, Commanders!


5. Will there still be big rewards? Really big rewards?

Absolutely! Every victory at a Location is a chance to win a huge reward! The chance of getting it is now slightly lower, but the overall number of rewards remained the same. In other words, you will be receiving the same reward, but it will be split into more parts than before.


We would like to assure our players that we are being very cautious with this update. Our main goal is to not tamper with the existing balance in any way but to make the reward system even more convenient for our players.


It is important to bear in mind that every player is at their own individual stage on the way to getting the reward, and the benefits of the new system may not be apparent right away. It might take you some time to evaluate the new system and to figure out how it works. The algorithm is new, and adjusting your strategy to it will require certain effort. One thing we know for sure: it will be worth your while!


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24 черв. 2016, 03:0724.06.16
24 черв. 2016, 09:32(відредаговано)
18.07.14
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This is complete *.  I just killed 500K troops on a level 71 and got 64 mowhaks.  That is 75K back on 4.5 mil investment as that was my payoff mission.  * 
24 черв. 2016, 03:2124.06.16
220588
I agree ,  damn "GREED" at it's best .
24 черв. 2016, 04:3124.06.16
24 черв. 2016, 04:32(відредаговано)
18.07.14
4

"While under the old system you would be left empty-handed, now you will receive a guaranteed smaller reward (we mean Units!). Additionally, if you win on 10 Locations, the cumulative reward will be slightly bigger than before" 


Ok here is hard evidence Plarium is blowing smoke up our keister.  10 missons just like they say above and I tracked wins and losses as resources


sent in 476,540 res worth troops and got back 144,112


Winnings spreadsheet http://prntscr.com/bkbdde (add in the res to the total to get 144,112)

Losses spreadsheet http://prntscr.com/bkbdrt


So your announcement is false in two ways progress already in the system is lost and we do not come out ahead after 10 wins.  Lucy you got some SERIOUS splaining to do!!

24 черв. 2016, 07:1624.06.16
14.06.14
101
Commanders we only have to figure out  new strategy of going about it keep testing them and figure out what works best for you.
Alyona KolomiitsevaCommunity Manager
24 черв. 2016, 09:3624.06.16
17.09.15
8273

Guys, I understand that you may feel confused about this new Update. However, that's what our players have asked for a long time. They've asked us to make Locations pay out each time you hit them. 

Now they do. But it doesn't mean that these small payouts are the only payouts you will ever receive. You will still get full payouts as soon as your Bank is filled enough. 

So now you have:

1) Mini-payouts to make sure you will always have some Units to throw into the fight.

2) Big payouts which you will receive as usual.

I don't see any negative point here. And you? 
24 черв. 2016, 10:1224.06.16
14.06.16
3
Atting few very low levels 3-7 gave me some decent pieces of artillery On higher levels 10+ I suddenly started to get back only some infantry like sappers or riflemen, while losing tanks and choppers - Nice balancing!
24 черв. 2016, 11:5224.06.16
220588
just took out a level 41 got nothing.
24 черв. 2016, 13:0324.06.16
27 черв. 2016, 13:47(відредаговано)
18.07.14
4

I did NOT ask for any changes put SnD back the way it WAS!!!


Plus you gave us NO notice, we LOST our progress on previous SnD missions and the game is NOT working as described in the announcement.  You stated that if we won ten missions we would win more than before.  I tested that and I LOST.  


CHANGE IT BACK!!!


We will not change the current system back. Try it and you will find a way to maximize your profit with it. 

Please remember that you will receive a small payout from each Location, while your Big payout will not necessary come after each engaged Location.
24 черв. 2016, 13:2524.06.16
220588
 I agree this is BS 
24 черв. 2016, 19:0824.06.16
27 черв. 2016, 13:51(відредаговано)
220588

Hi Community Manager,


Very nice to point the finger to the players.


You stated the following :

"Guys, I understand that you may feel confused about this new Update. However, that's what our players have asked for a long time. They've asked us to make Locations pay out each time you hit them." 

Correct they asked for it, but they didn't ask to change the rest that was good. 

Also as marketing machine you changed the S&D payout but you launched several S&D tournements after each other the last week, so players will loose more and start to go to the black market or bank to buy .This is the wrong way to think.


Also stated:


So now you have:

1) Mini-payouts to make sure you will always have some Units to throw into the fight.

2) Big payouts which you will receive as usual.


 number 1 is understandable, but must be more realistic,  good move from Plarium but needs fine tuning.

number 2 : The question here is when, how and where? Talking in rhythms is unprofessional.

When you tell A you should also tell B.


My opinion is that you have made a serious marketing mistake on your success.

Do something else and make the game again attractive, be creative. 

Also why are they so differend € prices for the same US dollar for your special actions. 

You base your Euro prices on location and platform ??  Please use the correct exchange rate, for all Europe prices or platform or mention it at least that FB is more expensive.

regards


Creatos


Nobody can predict your big payout with 100% accuracy. Some players have mastered this art and they know a way to predict the next payout. However, they will also need to adapt to the current system. 

The rules to receive a big payout are still the same as they were before the update.


24 черв. 2016, 20:4024.06.16
13.09.14
18

Your change is really messed up !!! Really Messed UP !!!

To "test the waters", I sent 2M+ offense on a LvL 90 - - LOST ALL.

Did not even dent the 4 Bars of that Zhg base. It had 8865 Helicopters / 1163 Light Infantry / 7538 Heavy Infantry / 289 Armor. What the bajessus is that? I am no math guy - buts thats well over, oh I don't know..., way too friggen much defense value for a LvL 90 location?

Stop twerking and tweek this back to fair and FUN values. And why pull this damn azz stunt during your 7 year Celebration to your dedicated 250 Million players as stated in your written game update posts.Why in the middle of a 14 day event; during this 7 year Celebration, pull some crazy idea on us players. Bad, Bad, Bad.

This is really bad, if anyone else experiences this poor judgement on your part - enjoy your failure.

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25 черв. 2016, 07:2025.06.16
27 черв. 2016, 13:53(відредаговано)
220588

Your reward system is *, i have done lvl 40,41,50,51 and 57 which kept giving low payouts and paid the loan plus whatever small payouts i got and  then i did lvl 63,71, 68 after that and no rewards at all on any of those levels. have lost about 2 million resources worth of units over and above the required.

What about your guaranteed smaller payouts, i didn't even got those.

Now i doesn't matter whatever payout i get cause, the extra units i have lost plus whatever i loose more before i get a payout are gone.


25 черв. 2016, 15:2625.06.16
220588
This update is the very definition of FAILURE change it back.
25 черв. 2016, 19:5525.06.16
04.05.15
719
I agree with the rest of people in here. PLEASE return to previous system!!!
26 черв. 2016, 09:5726.06.16
1 лип. 2019, 12:05(відредаговано)
1

This change in the S&D missions is short sighted decision taken by the $ hungry crowd.  It will only benefit the brain dead that believe in Plarium and have the Visa to buy diamonds all the time.  The only way to grow big in this game without buying diamonds is to raid, build and do s&d on the previous system.  It took a long time to master the skills and now...pfffft it is gone.  Wake up Plarium, you will find yourselves lonely one morning with a stack of empty bases.


REVERSE THIS CHANGE!!

26 черв. 2016, 12:3126.06.16
27 черв. 2016, 13:56(відредаговано)
12.07.14
28

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Guys, I understand that you may feel confused about this new Update. However, that's what our players have asked for a long time. They've asked us to make Locations pay out each time you hit them. 

Now they do. But it doesn't mean that these small payouts are the only payouts you will ever receive. You will still get full payouts as soon as your Bank is filled enough. 

So now you have:

1) Mini-payouts to make sure you will always have some Units to throw into the fight.

2) Big payouts which you will receive as usual.

I don't see any negative point here. And you? 

seriously! no disrepect to you personaly, but if this is what gamers wanted why is there posative comments in the forums?

getting less for more, is not a good thing, simply saying it is a good thing does not make it good.

all the evidence  has proven that it has been a bad move by plarium and no one is happy, in any of the different games not just here.


It's not Less for More. Small payouts won't replace big payouts. They come in addition. And yes, our players have asked many times to make that each Location would contain at least some pay out. Because our players often had situations when they had no Units at all after attacking several Locations.


Alyona KolomiitsevaCommunity Manager
27 черв. 2016, 13:5827.06.16
17.09.15
8273

Guys, I have answered your questions under your comments. You can define my answers by the color.

Please note that we won't change the system back. From now on you will have small payouts IN ADDITION to your big payouts. The requirements to receive a big payout are still the same, and you will soon adapt to this new system.
27 черв. 2016, 17:4927.06.16
30 черв. 2016, 07:27(відредаговано)
220588

Part 1




Hi, i really know how to play ZHG, and i ve played it excessive,but i must say that the new System really dont works. I played 30 ZHG Missions between 60 and 100. Filled in 15 Mio Def and 4 Mio Off, and all Mini Payouts i got. And till now i didnt get anything what we would call big Payout. Nothing !!!


Payouts depend on your previous payouts, current losses, Location level. I know some players who have invested much more before they got a big win. So don't give up.


Part  2


Now i must add the End of the Story after i ve played another two Missions i obtained  1250 Thunder and 6500 Firedrakes from a Level 104 Mission.

plus 75k Fuel 75k Ammo and 50k Rats.


I understood the Problems from this System now.


No Problem to fill in the Mini Payouts directly while playing. The bigger Prob is that you got almost every Mission a Ress Payout too. I bought Units for the Ress and boosted the Construction that i could take the Ress directly again in this Run.


Im sure would i have chosen the next higher Level that i had it was a 109 and a 118 either 109 or 118 i would have had a biger Payout.


But that was the problem too and Part of the ZHG Play Strategy to get the Payout exactly in the riight Level height.


I alologize for my frustrated Way of writing here, but i  like the Justice and im honestly enough that i ve added this additional Experience for all.


THX and see you on the Battlefield    :-))






Part 3



After trying out further Rounds of ZHG i must say that the new System is much better than bevor. The best of it is to see the rest of ZHG Troops from injured Missions better than ever bevor !


And the Payouts are right i had 10k maulers from LVL 97 and 15k Firedrakes from a Lvl 118 . I am really satisfied with it !


Greez


I'm really glad that you're enjoying the new system! 

29 черв. 2016, 02:0529.06.16
21.07.15
7

This game is not only about new players and i think Plarium need to hear more the guys that play this game 1,2 years and more.

Those players know what is best to improve the game not the new players sorry but its true.

What im saying is that when Plarium want to make BIG CHANGES IN THE GAME put them to a vote and send a in game messege plz.

This will help every one. And no i dont like the changes.


Cheers
Alyona KolomiitsevaCommunity Manager
30 черв. 2016, 07:3130.06.16
30 черв. 2016, 07:48(відредаговано)
17.09.15
8273

JAFOSTE said:


This game is not only about new players and i think Plarium need to hear more the guys that play this game 1,2 years and more.

Those players know what is best to improve the game not the new players sorry but its true.

What im saying is that when Plarium want to make BIG CHANGES IN THE GAME put them to a vote and send a in game messege plz.

This will help every one. And no i dont like the changes.


Cheers

Hi, Jafoste. We do listen to our players. You can check our "Suggestions and feedback" thread to make sure of it. 

As for the recent changes on Locations, it's not a change which should be discussed. Such changes are performed for a reason.

I understand that it's hard to accept any changes. Especially if they are related to Locations. You have probably mastered them after a long time and after putting so many efforts into them.

Let me clarify some points for you:

1. S&D banking system still works as it did before the Update.

2. Small payouts won't replace big payouts, they come as an addition.

3. Small payouts are still payouts, so they are somehow connected to your Bank.

4. The size of a possible payout wasn't changed.

5. The strength of S&D was not changed.

6. We will not change the system back.

7. I have passed your feedback to our developers.

8. If you have any questions or need some clarifications, please ask.

9. If you didn't receive a single Unit from a S&D, there are two reasons:

a) You didn't have any losses on it.

b) You raided this S&D before the Update.

If you have any other questions, please ask.