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Raid Digest (02.04.21)

Raid Digest (02.04.21)

Greetings, Raiders!

Happy Friday and here is our regular portion of the Raid Digest!

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Let’s take a short break between numerous raids and battles and revise our positions. Hence, without further ado, let’s get straight to it.

Right from the beginning of this year, we have been seeing a lot of comments about the changes in the Classic Arena overall and the matchmaking algorithms in particular. That’s why we want to shed some light on the current state of things in this area.

As you may remember, in October 2020, the new matchmaking system was introduced in the Classic Arena. It constituted the creation of a list of opponents with roughly similar account levels and player power. The new matchmaking system, among other things, calculates the difference in the players' power when forming the list. While it may not be perfect yet, it allows to create a fair competition in the Bronze and Silver Tiers and to prevent pairing players with vastly different experience at early stages of the Arena. This matchmaking system also maintains the difficulty curve of the feature. The power difference between accounts plays a huge part in forming opponents' lists in the Bronze and Silver Tiers. However, the Gold Tier is the most competitive one, so it doesn’t filter opponents by their account power, but uses the current Arena placement as the main criteria. That's why, upon entering the Gold Tier,  you might experience a greater difficulty in further progression as you encounter a much broader list of opponents.

Basically,  Gold is the Tier where the strongest players go, while having more or less perfected champions’ Skills, gear and choice of allies. This Tier should be challenging, and the ones who manage to reach Gold should be ready to keep fighting strong opponents to remain competitive and stay in the Tier. 

Last fall, all of you witnessed low-level accounts appearing in the Gold Tier of the Classic Arena, and it helped a lot of players reach Gold relatively easily in a short period of time. The reason why those accounts appeared in the game was that we added more segments to the server, so that the load would distribute more evenly and the server would feel better during the activity peaks. As the result of it, low-level accounts started occasionally appearing in all Tiers (since the algorithms started to take these new segments into account while defining opponents in all Tiers). Still, this was a temporary phenomenon, it couldn’t last forever. We realized back then that those accounts would disappear from Gold, eventually. That was rather a deviation than a new order of things. As time passed, weaker accounts were gradually demoted to lower Tiers, and now the Gold Tier has become as competitive as intended. 

The recent trend of steadily increasing difficulty in the Gold Tier of the Classic Arena is an aftereffect of the mechanics mentioned above, and the gradual demotion of the low-level accounts added to the game in October. Since fewer and fewer low-level accounts were popping up in the Gold Tiers, the overall league's competitiveness had increased. Therefore, many players who quickly passed through Tiers and propelled themselves to Gold 3 and Gold 4  by their attack power alone,  have now started losing their footing due to possible breaches in defense strategies and stronger players having an edge in these Tiers. 

Let's sum it up:  because of the higher level of competitiveness in the Gold Tiers, it is becoming yet harder to compensate losses in defense battles with victories in attacking battles only. That requires revision of def teams and searching for more effective combinations. 

Another important question that we want to talk about is Arbiter Missions, since the Classic Arena is closely related to these, as well as to many other in-game activities. Looking back, let’s recollect what Arbiter Missions were all about. Arbiter is not a regular Champion - she is a top Legendary who has been considered the ultimate game reward for a long time. Thus, the Missions should not be too easy to complete. Nevertheless, we truly believe that none of these Missions should block your progression to Arbiter. That's why we closely monitor the situation by checking the analytics and data at our disposal to make sure that it is not a “mission impossible” thing.

It is also worth mentioning that the Arbiter Missions help reveal your weaknesses in the game and motivate you to improve these areas. 

We want to thank you all for your constant feedback about the Arena that we receive from various social media. Rest assured that we are continuing to closely monitor statistics in the Arena and all Arena-related features to spot any possible anomalies. The current Arena situation is the result of a natural progression of this feature. We will keep you informed about any changes in the matchmaking system.

One more thing that we want to mention is the newly added moderation tool in the Global Chatroom. At the moment we have a complete team of moderators for the in-game chat so we are not hiring new ones for now. The in-game moderation feature is in the development, and we will inform you before a next expansion of the moderators’ team.

Last but not least, we are putting final tweaks on the rebalance of several Champions and this rebalance will be released in one of the nearest updates. Additionally, we are working on AI improvements, and if all goes as planned, they will also be included in the next patch. 

So that’s it for today’s Raid Digest! Stay tuned for future updates in our official channels and take care!


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2 квіт. 2021, 14:2302.04.21
2 квіт. 2021, 23:3902.04.21
12.12.20
7

fix the AI with the Limit on turns for doom tower cause i get no rewards cause of this,  won 7 times scarab king and still i got no rewards 

2 квіт. 2021, 23:3902.04.21
01.03.21
1

can i have your account bro???

3 квіт. 2021, 01:4603.04.21
08.02.18
36

Arbiter is a Legendary, so it needs to be made more inaccessible and less achievable, since its a Legendary. However Visix the Unbowed is also Legendary and its obtained by Daily Logins. Arbiter does have Arena Gold challenges as part of its requirements. But Arena players who already have their Hall maxed out at Level 10's cannot be beaten in the Arena, so how do new players get Gold points for their Hall? May I suggest that the Arena needs to close and reopen every 6 months, perhaps, with reorganisation of the rankings of the members. I will continue to enjoy the app, in any case, since I like the challenge, even if its unachievable.

3 квіт. 2021, 02:1703.04.21
21.05.20
2

Another important question that we want to talk about is Arbiter Missions, since the Classic Arena is closely related to these, as well as to many other in-game activities. Looking back, let’s recollect what Arbiter Missions were all about. Arbiter is not a regular Champion - she is a top Legendary who has been considered the ultimate game reward for a long time. Thus, the Missions should not be too easy to complete. Nevertheless, we truly believe that none of these Missions should block your progression to Arbiter. That's why we closely monitor the situation by checking the analytics and data at our disposal to make sure that it is not a “mission impossible” thing.


"So instead we will make the Arbiter Missions so that you will have to beat hundreds and thousands of teams with Arbiters speed leads in Gold I through IV to even reach getting your own Arbiter, unless you whale hard enough to get lucky and pull her from shards. Because the final half of the missions you need to be in gold III and IV where 99% of the teams will be players who already completed this."


Brilliant play guys!

3 квіт. 2021, 05:1303.04.21
08.09.19
1

Please rework the trash legendary heroes. The Russian community of bloggers and many players are very much counting on this!!! To improve the arena, you need to look for variations of strong heroes. But how to find them if the legendary heroes are garbage and lie in storage? Here is the evidence from major Russian bloggers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCqqwn_1Y5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYPOjP9V6c&ab_channel=%D0%94%D1%8F%D0%B4%D1%8F%D0%9E. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6qLyM4pJ_w&ab_channel=%D0%94%D1%8F%D0%B4%D1%8F%D0%9E. sorry for my english by google translate =)

3 квіт. 2021, 06:5703.04.21
3 квіт. 2021, 07:07(відредаговано)
08.11.20
1

Plarium,

If u change Arena for better players, so do something with "arena missions" for arbiter quest.

On my person, im almost 6 months player, i dont have good luck with opening shards and dont have good arena champion including speed champion (on gold arena 75% oponents have arbiter), so on start i have problem. Before update with changing arena system i was for few weeks on gold 4, now i balanced between 2 i 3 and i must focus on finding oponnents who i can win. I have 10 lvl of great hall static, but im stuck becouse i need to "reach gold iv" and its impassible for me.... And i cant go ahead.... Its very flustrated and booring.... 

And telling about:

"Arbiter is not a regular Champion - she is a top Legendary who has been considered the ultimate game reward for a long time. Thus, the Missions should not be too easy to complete. "

its not fair, becouse before update its was very easier, so many ppl get arbiter from guest, and now its really "misson imposible", unless pay toons of dollars for shards....

Tell me what players with no luck and who dont spending milion dolars for p2w can make to get arbiter ?

3 квіт. 2021, 08:3003.04.21
25.07.19
4

Ii agree with most posts that say this completely misses the point that most lower tier players are making

1. Its not just gold that is challenging. The silver and bronze tiers get more challenging week by week. A month ago my arena team were comfortably in silver 2. This week the same team with improvements can hardly get a win in bronze 3. 

2. Its interesting to know more about the changes you made to arena, but given I am now back where I was when you made the changes, all they seem to have done is give players a temporary boost then return to how it was before.

3. I disagree with your comments about the missions. I don't think people are asking for her to be given away free.  The issue is that the arena missions are much harder to complete than they were when the game started, so players now have to do more to get her than earlier players did, and the route to getting her is blocked by all those players who already have her.  The pve and champion missions should be the test of difficulty of each stage. If you can complete  pve mission with your current champions, you should be able to,  or be close to competing nearby arena missions, but this is clearly not the case.

Overall I still love this game, but arena iscthe most frustrating and least enjoyable part of it for me. 

3 квіт. 2021, 08:4803.04.21
31.01.21
1

Would  be  nice  to  up  Visix  since  she's  the  most  useless  hero  atm...  and  please  add  something  to  change  our  medals  in  hall  coz  if  we  change  pvp  team  we  are  fucked...

3 квіт. 2021, 10:3803.04.21
28.01.20
3

Quintinar sums it up.. Plarium obviously have no idea what is comparably difficult in the game.

I'm on progress missions part 2, 124/286.

"Upgrade a Great hall Bonus to Level 4." So i obviously need to grind in Silver Arena for this.

Following missions:

Unlock a Tier 3 Mastery for a Champion. ((Something I've done 55 times already))

Earn 3 Stars on Stage 7 of Valdemar Strait on Hard. ((I have 3 stars on Stage 6 of Catacombs of Narbuk on Nightmare))

Win 5 Greater Spirit Postions. ((I currently have 20 Superior Spirit potions))

Clear Stage 7 of Deadlands on Hard. ((I'm in Valdemar Straight in Nightmare))

Ascend a Champion to Level 5 of Ascension. ((I've done 13 of them))

Upgrade an Artifact to level 16. ((I honestly can't be botehred to count, it's a LOT))

Clear something on hard... Get some other mid potions..

Get 4 rank 5 Champions. ((I'm at 8 Legendaries right now.. so.. yeah..))

Clear something on hard... Get some other mid potions.. 

Upgrade 2 Great Hall Bonuses to Level 4.

So between the Arena mission I'm stuck on and the next one.. I basically auto-complete every single mission inbetween.

I looked thru the rest of hte missions to the next Arnea mission.. and it's the same story. All embarassingly easy or already complete. "Do 1.5mil to the Clan Boss.. for goodness sake.. I'm doing 20-30mil. 

Nothing in the list is remotely challenging. And the only thing holding me up is Arena missions. If Plarium cannot see this it's 100% because they are just not looking.

Meanwhile, I can't progress ym Arbiter Missions. I can't progress my Great Hall, and that affects everything.  And the upcoming Fusion is going to be a struggle to complete, and why? For no other reason than I need 2-300 wins down in the bronze tiers to complete the Arena Takedown part of it. We're talking well over 12 hours of refreshing every 15 minutes. And meanwhile.. Plarium can't see a problem.

3 квіт. 2021, 12:4203.04.21
21.09.20
130

Meanwhile, I can't progress my Arbiter Missions. I can't progress my Great Hall, and that affects everything.

Key issue here - the hall bonuses affect the entire game -  that's why the current state of arena is ridiculous. And putting out arena challenges is a joke - how is anyone not already in gold going to have any chance of getting fragments in those challenges when you get more reward points for being at a higher tier? 

Today I actually did well  - progreessing through bronze 3 - go away for an hour and come back to 4 losses on defence to teams at least twice as strong as mine. Utter waste of time.

Farcical.  

3 квіт. 2021, 14:5203.04.21
25.03.21
1

I'm a fairly new player, but I've spent a lot (too much) of time playing the game, spending money here and there, and building a good team of 50s and reaching lvl 40. 

However, echoing the other posters, Im super duper stuck in Bronze 2-3 and it gets worse weekly. When I was originally in Bronze 1-3, my fear was to refresh into a page of 4 x 40s, some being epic. Now  my fear is to see a page of 4 x 60s, some or all being legendary. Though I have greatly progressed in the game, I have gone nowhere in Arena and therefore cannot complete my missions (Forget Silver, I'm just trying to hold onto Bronze 3). By the time I have several of my own Lvl 60s, ill have become someone else's worst nightmare refresh and yet I'll still be stuck in late Bronze wondering why im still playing and paying. 

3 квіт. 2021, 16:1603.04.21
25.11.20
4

Aside from all the general arena issues right now, my biggest problem with it all is, that the amount of medals you need to upgrade your great hall, feel impossible to get.

I totally agree, that Arbiter should take a long time to get and that great hall upgrades are the way to go to slow down the progress. Before the arena update this was working on an acceptable pace was doable in about 5-6 month, if you really play a lot, which was fine imo.

I am playing almost nonstop for 130 days now and am close to upgrading one thing in the great hall to level 8. to get it to level 10 for the Arbiter mission, I need get my hands on 1,900 more gold medals.

In g4 that would be 475 wins without getting downgraded to g3 over night.

Do you have any idea how long that takes now? I mean, the only reason I can win in arena again, is because I got the pull of a lifetime in Siphi last weekend.

No one wants everything immediatly, this game is a marathon after all, but even the youtube whales needed 2 years and dont have all parts done in the great hall.

3 квіт. 2021, 18:5403.04.21
15.10.20
871

So many words, when you could have just written 'we dont play our own game, lolz spend more'

3 квіт. 2021, 19:3803.04.21
31.07.20
1

Hello,

Maybe Gold tier is working as intended as you claim it to be.  It should be challenging for sure.

But your game is 2 years out now.  The gap between day one players and new players is huge, probebly to huge.  It would help alot if there was feature to help bridge this problem, so newer players can have a chance at being competitive with them.  Offcourse they shouldn't be able to beat them right away, but there should be a form or feel of succes.

Some idea's to solve this in a rather easy way.  

- Add extra tiers - Let new players start in the wooden tier - a practice tier where you learn the tricks, maybe even with a battle assistant that explains how the arena works, what stats help in an encounter, affinity and so on. The wooden tier is only for new players and maybe bots. If you win 10 battles in the wooden tier, you go up to the next one, say tin tier.

- Also on the top tiers you can narrow things a bit.  And add an extra tier above Platinum lets say Diamond tier with the top 100 players where the people ranked 91 to 100 drop at the end of the week.

To give new players a chance at being competitive make it so that they can improve their Great Hall faster.  And add something for the veteranplayers aswel like the chance of collecting medals for the Great Hall to buy a banner to put in front of the Great Hall, a special color to put around their avatar that all can see, a new armorcolor for a champion.  Some things to keep people active in arena.

- The log-in rewards are nice, but a Legendary should feel and play as a legendary not as a bad epic or worse.  Visix could use some love for example. I wonder if anybody uses her. (Scyl is great)

- Arbiter missions should not be easy, I agree completely there, but if people have to grind over a year to get her at this stage of the game then that is sad, there are to many good teams in gold , that newer players can't farm goldmedals there and eventually they will give up and quit the game as the rewards are to far off. Maybe if the mission to get a great Hall bonus to level 10 gets removed or changed by get 10 Great Hall Bonuses to level 1-3, that could help alot.

- An other things is the Tournament groups...  Can you make it so that players of the same level or power can compete against eachother rather then the mix it is now.   It is sad to see that a tournament starts and players that are 100 times stronger are in the same group. 

Then some QoL things:  

- Can you add some more explanation to the infotab in all battles about what all the buffs and debuffs do.  (like veil, fear, provoke, ...)

- Can you add some more realistic points to collect in the tournaments.  Again if a player doesn't feel rewarded for the time they invest they will stop playing the game.  And yes I do understand that you can farm certain things beforehand.

- Books....   Give players more books as rewards.  The drop rate is so low.  Or make it so that the champions require less of them.  Maybe something for the void tower?

- The Doomtower is good.  But maybe there could be some kind of infoscreen about the accuracy you need to land debuffs or the resistance you need and so on for each level.  It could help the new players to see where they are and what they should focus on before attempting the higher and harder levels.

- Duplicant epic and legendary champions is sad.  Maybe add someting that you can't get a duplicant until you reach a certain amount of epics or legendary.  And please make it so that you can't get the loginrewards from shards.





3 квіт. 2021, 21:2003.04.21
02.07.20
1

We always wait for the best  

3 квіт. 2021, 22:1803.04.21
19.08.20
2

I see alot of issues with the game being player friendly.  I have only about 8 months in the game and have spider 19 & 20 left for Arbiter, but do play at home and in my shop. My arena team was 180 +/- and beating teams about the same in G4, since this change in 2 days I dropped to G1 and struggle to hold that against teams at 80 power. There were no changes in my team but most of these teams one shot me. Not grumbling just saying something is off. Now I will say this my account power is 2.5M with 210 champs, mostly food and fusion camps that I would be wasting gems, gear, and other resourses to advance them to playing usefullness. So that make it hard for me to see how the system is being balanced 

I know what it means to grind for resourses. I pre ordered WOW for my son and I when it came out and remember the 12 -18 hour battle grounds from then and played until the pandas came out, but we always knew that when we got to a place in game the goal post didn't move on us.

I do spend money on the game but nowhere close to a whale. ( 3 accounts ) And I can say I like the game, that being said it tends to look like you are catering to the whales with some of the changes in game. 

4 квіт. 2021, 03:2304.04.21
13.09.20
10

"While it may not be perfect yet, it allows to create a fair competition in the Bronze and Silver Tiers and to prevent pairing players with vastly different experience at early stages of the Arena."


"Nevertheless, we truly believe that none of these Missions should block your progression to Arbiter. "





Gee whiz. Maybe it's just my fault that I can't seem to get out of Bronze 4 and into Silver to farm silver medals to get Arbiter. I just don't want it badly enough.


I've been sitting at this one task for two months. At the rate of 400 Silver medals to get my next Arbiter task complete, and getting 1-2 medals a win, I'll maybe finish this task in 2022. And a few tasks after that, I have to get another 400 medals for another task. Oh, and that's only once I get into Silver and stay there.


I'm 190 days in, not FTP, and I'm struggling with Arena as opposed to all other sections of the game. Maybe put in a place where you can  buy medals with gems, or trade your lower tier medals for upper tier ones? 

4 квіт. 2021, 05:3604.04.21
21.07.20
1

With the free playing account, it's hard to surpass bronze 3 and get to silver.  Trying so hard and couldn't seem to get there.  So, I quitted and continued focusing on leveling.  Moving to the void shards.  They are hard to come by and thus needs some work.  The chance of getting epic using the void shards need to increase (for example between 30-40%) and the legendary to 1-2%.

4 квіт. 2021, 07:1004.04.21
13.10.19
2

The game  is boring because all team in arena are the same: Arbiter leader and teamates with speed build. One got high speed will win. So please bring nerfs to Arbiter.

4 квіт. 2021, 16:5804.04.21
17.02.21
2

finally may be able to do the missions hopefully